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So, Juan Pierre for the next five years. There has to be some reasoning behind this right? Well, let's look at what Juan can do.

He can run really fast.

If he hits .325/.370/.380 he's a slightly above average centerfielder.  Even better, the odds are decent that some time over the next five years, he'll do just that.

He's a hard worker. He goes out before the game and rolls balls down the line to see how bunts react to it. Not much, but it's something.

He easily leads the Dodgers in rhyme busting accuracy. He has been classified as "ill" by an anonymous NL scout.

With that said, Ned Colletti has done the one thing that many have feared since the day Paul DePodesta was fired. Juan Pierre is the anti-sabermetric poster boy. Sure he has a high average and steals a lot, but the batting average is completely empty, Pierre has a career isolated patience of .047 and an isolated power of .074. Keep in mind he spent part of his career in Coors Field. And those steals? Pretty much worthless since he gets caught 26.3% of the time.

This means Juan Pierre's value is entirely dependant on his batting average. If he hits .325, he's an acceptable, possibly even above average centerfielder. If he doesn't, look out. And, since batting average happens to have large fluctuations from year, look for Pierre to have a couple really bad years, as opposed to the standard bad year he would put up, through no fault of his own.

Of course, since Pierre doesn't walk, and his speed means he must be a lead off hitter, Pierre is the very definition of an out machine (he's ranked 1st, 2nd, 2nd, and 1st in outs over the last four years) Almost every G.M. has accepted the fact that outs are valuable, and shouldn't be thrown away. Ned failed to get that memo, apparently. J.D. Drew left the Dodgers with a large on base percentage hole and 11 million dollars to fill the gap that he left. Ned Colletti has decided to take that money, and fill the hole with the biggest out maker in baseball.

And this is just looking at Juan Pierre at face value. When you factor in Dodger stadium and aging, it gets even worse.

Case in point, Pierre's meager slugging percentage is boosted by the fact he's regularly among the league leaders in triples.  What stadium suppressed triples the most from 2003-2005 (I don't have detailed 2006 park factors)? That's right, Dodger Stadium. So Pierre could see his .074 isolated power decrease even further.

Since Pierre's game is entirely based on speed, what happens as he gets older? What happens when he loses a step? What happens when that already poor stolen base percentage drops even lower? What happens when Pierre can't leg out quite as many infield singles? I shudder at the thought. Right now, we're looking at the peak of Juan Pierre's performance; it only goes downhill from here.

How does Pierre fit into the Dodger offense? Since they lack power, they need guys to get on base constantly to score runs. If any of our players start to slack, the entire team can get brought down. Why then, would you sign the biggest out maker in baseball to lead the offense?

This is the most expensive, and longest commitment that Ned Colletti has ever made, and he's chosen to commit to one of the most overrated players in baseball. I thought the Furcal signing showed that Ned knew the risks of a long term contract, but that was apparently just a fluke. I didn't think Colletti would be able to top the Hendrickson and Baez trades anytime soon, but less than six months later, he's made a decision that's far more fool hardy.

Here's what this move comes down to: if Juan Pierre doesn't have any aspect of his game decline over the next five years, and he gets some decent luck on balls in play, this signing might not be a disaster. Anyone want to take bets on that happening?

Just for fun let's look at quotes from my fellow SBN writers.

McCovey Chronicles - Whew.

Brew Crew Ball - The Dodgers appear to have done the Brewers a huge favor, signing Juan Pierre to a five-year, $45M deal.

Lonestar Ball - I would say "unbelievable," but at this point, none of these deals are unbelievable anymore.

Bucs Dugout - Crazy, dumb, and dumb.

Update: There may be hope after all.

Update 2: Nope, guess not. Here's my favorite part of this article. "'This man gets on base an awful lot,'" Colletti said of Pierre'. Pierre had on base percentages of .326 and .330 the last two years. This is the man in charge of building the Dodgers.

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Triples
I don't know what the park factors were, but didn't the Dodgers lead the majors in triples last year?  (Yes).  Pierre will probably be just as productive as he was, which is not that encouraging.

Frankly, I'd like to try Loney in right for one year, then move him to first and Nomar to 2nd in 2008 when Kemp is ready for the show.  If that can happen.

by StolenMonkey86 on Nov 21, 2006 2:05 AM PST reply actions  

Pierre making outs
I think it's a little unfair to call Juan Pierre the "biggest out maker in baseball".

While your statement is true in terms of raw totals, it implies that nobody is worse than Pierre at making outs.

But he has a lifetime OBP of .350. Many, many major league players are worse in this respect. If given Pierre's playing time, they would make more outs than him.

I'm not saying he's a good player, but let's not get carried away here.

by Alfredo Griffin on Nov 21, 2006 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

This hurts
The signing of Pierre is one of those obviously stupid things that everyone knows is stupid except for the guy doing it.  Reminds me of the Dodgers trading for Delino Deshields, who was effective when he could pound the ball on the artificial turf of Montreal's Olympic Stadium, but everyone knew those would be easy ground outs at Dodger Staudium.  At least we didn't have to give up Pedro Martinez to get Pierre, just the money that we could have used to sign a decent starting pitcher.  

by 1958 on Nov 22, 2006 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
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RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

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OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
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IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$112,162,432

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Players on 40-man roster used as roster
fillers until moves are made.

Current 40-man roster count: 40
(not including Belisario)

2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
27
61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
56 Matt Chico lhp
29
33 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25
28 Jamey Wright rhp
37

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
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37 Josh Fields 3b 29
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

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