Peavy available but I want the Big Horse

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 17, 2008 8:45 AM PDT Comment 11 comments

Jon Weisman has the update on Peavy and his availability. I have zero interest in trading for Jake Peavy because of the price it would take. San Diego needs to retool that is for sure. They are not going to be letting Peavy go unless they get a cadre of players to make that happen. WIth Peavy under contract until 2012 with an option for 2013 putting him on the block means he might bring back more then any trade we have ever seen for a frontline pitcher. Just being realistic the Padres would need something like Kemp/Kershaw/DeJesus for him. By 2013 he will be making 22 Million a year.

The best option for the Dodgers is make a play right now for CC and keep our players. What is CC's asking price? I think we can expect at least six years, 120-150 Million. A pitcher of CC's caliber becoming a free agent at age 27 probably hasn't happened since Greg Maddux left the Cubs on route to winning 3 straight Cy Youngs for the Braves. If you look at the numbers I think CC has been better then Maddux was at the same age. Headed into their free agent year they both had won one Cy Young. They both had finally posted an ERA+ above 160. They both were the elite pitcher in the league they represented.

CC seems to prefer the West Coast and the NL and we should take advantage of that. Long before we start talking to Manny our 1st priority is to see if we can land CC. Johan Santana signed last winter with the Mets for 6/137. I would do 6/150.

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Amen.

CC may be more expensive than Peavy and would cost our first round pick but it would be more than made up for by his superior ability, health, and the fact that we wouldn’t have to give up any prospects (re: Kershaw) to get him. I would much, much rather have CC, as should any big-market team.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 17, 2008 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m not up for signing CC. Will Carroll has pointed out about his bad body type, and how he doesn’t think he’ll remain healthy for the duration of such a contract. Colletti has signed enough players to contracts where they hardly play due to health, and I don’t want to see the Dodgers sign a player to such a contract where me might hardly being playing the last 2 or 3 years of the deal.

Dodger Fever: Catch it every summer; head to the ER every October.

by Tango and Cash on Oct 17, 2008 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Will

also said JD Drew’s shoulder and knee problems would make him quite a risk for Boston. Not to mention how many times he kept telling us that Chad’s big butt was going to be a problem. CC is fairly unique. I’ve been hearing since he was 20 that he would breakdown. I’m still waiting.

I’ve been wrong enough on free agents that I won’t toot this horn very loud.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 17, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, I think he’s still talking about Chad being a problem. I just don’t want to have another gigantic waste of a FA signing. However, our window for winning a WS is right now, so if we can have 3-4 good years of CC, we should have a few chances of winning it all. I think I might be willing to trade that for 2-3 injured/mediocre seasons.

Dodger Fever: Catch it every summer; head to the ER every October.

by Tango and Cash on Oct 18, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd like CC

but I wouldn’t give him a 6th year. 5 years for a pitcher is stretching it and only okay for top of the line guys, which CC is. I’d give CC 5, but not 6.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 17, 2008 5:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you basically...

but the problem is you won’t ever sign a top free agent for less than 6 years unless the circumstances are very special. I agree that 6 years is risky but CC is an elite player, and those aren’t even available every offseason. If you want one, you either have to develop one of your own (Pujols or Hanley), or overpay in one of those rare circumstances when one becomes available (Santana or Arod). Otherwise I think you’ll just have to forego the elite players althogether, which I don’t think is the right thing for a big market team like the Dodgers.

Would you guys agree with this?

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 17, 2008 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll sign other free agents for more than 5 years

just not pitchers. Pitchers get hurt far more often and break down unlike position players. Give CC the money he wants, but make it a 5 year deal and I’m on board.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 19, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tough call

I’m philosophically opposed to handing out a monster deal for a starting pitcher; however, the argument for CC is easy to see. He would fit perfectly at the top of our rotation, bumping Bills, Kuroda, Kershaw, & McDonald into their ideal slots. We’d also be adding a coveted lefty arm to a rotation that could be scary good if Kershaw develops as hoped.

The downsides are clear: salary, injury risk, number of years. But in the mind’s eye, a large white-and-blue clad CC with cap askew would look at home on the mound at Dodger Stadium, maching up with the Webbs, Lincecums, & Peavys of the league.

Conclusion: Take a shot. 5 years is probably too short, but not if the money is right (the Ned Special). If we’re willing to make him the highest paid pitcher in baseball and he wants to be here, I could see a deal happening. Using Santana’s deal as a guide (which is a little misleading since his bargain 2008 year was already accounted for), some have suggested 6y/$150. Why not?

by kinbote on Oct 17, 2008 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I like Peavy

better than Sabathia but I’m not sure if I’d want to make a trade since the Padres might ask for Kemp and a pitcher like Kershaw or McDonald so I’d rather sign a free agent.

by Chzburger Jones on Oct 18, 2008 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

C. C.'s a phenomenal pitcher.

But he’s thrown a ton of innings.
2006: 241
2007: 256.1 (counting postseason)
2008: 256.2 (counting postseason)

Signed to a six or seven year deal, the chances of his arm falling off completely go way up. Although maybe Joe Torre won’t ride him to death like his other managers.

Maybe C. C. is special. Maybe his body can handle that kind of stress. But do you really want to bet that much money (>$150 million) and that many years (>5 years) on him?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 21, 2008 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Joe Torre

riding CC to death might actually be a good thing since it’s become pretty apparent that CC can handle the workload (though how long he’ll be able to continue is still unknown) and it will allow him to not have to ride the bullpen to death so often.

by Chzburger Jones on Oct 25, 2008 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs