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Joe Torre is Sweet Lou's "Daddy"

If the Yankees are Pedro's "daddy", then Joe Torre can be called Lou Pinella's "padre." That's Italian and Espanol by the way. He literally is.

The fear of many Cubs fans I spoke to entering this series, wasn't fear of the Dodgers' hitting or their young pitching, but the match-up in the dugout. The match-up where Joe Torre has beaten Lou Pinella in handily. Many fans don't even look at trends such as how the manager does against the other. They just look at the lineup, pitching and blurt out: "We're better." Not so fast.

Now, Lou is a certified Hall of Famer. He was a solid ballplayer, managed the Reds to an unpredictable World Series title, and had successful regular seasons' in Seattle and Chicago. Notice I said "regular season." Ever since the 1990 upset win over the Oakland Athletics, Lou hasn't been able to get his team over the hump. He just hasn't.

Now, he's been a great manager in between his arrival in Seattle and his new job in Chi Town. He led the Mariners to 7 playoff appearances. The Mariners have only been to the playoffs 2 times aside from the Lou era. So we could say that he's the best manager in Mariners history.

But the one thing that always stood in the way of Pinella and his best teams' hopes for a championship has been Joe Torre. Every...single...year. He even came from the AL to haunt him in the NL. Thanks alot Hank.

I'm starting to think Joe secretly takes pleasure in torturing his dear friend. Remember the 2000 playoffs? The ALCS? That was the year Clemens threw that 15k, 5-0, 1 hit complete game shut-out. It was quieter than Chad Johnson in Dallas yesterday in Safeco.

Then came 2001. The Mariners won 116 games. Kudos to Lou on that. They then went down 2-0 to open the ALCS to the Yankees. Doom and gloom was on the face of all Seattle-ans. Is that what you would call them...Seattle-ans? Whatever. After losing the first 2, Lou came out of nowhere and said they'd go to Yankee Stadium and win 2 out of the next 3 games and take the series back to Seattle. He was right about someone winning the next 2 out of 3 and that wasn't Seattle, but the Yankees. They won the series in 5 games and sent Lou packing again.

After Seattle, Lou escaped to Tampa Bay and kept getting beat in the head by Torre. Of course, we can grant Pinella a pass as the Rays were atrocious at that point. But then Sweet Lou left for the friendly confines of Wrigley Field. He made the playoffs his first year and lost to the Arizona Diamondbacks in a first round sweep for the ages.

Lou entered the 2008 season with expectations to go much farther and the Cubs won the NL Central again. But let me take you to a few emails I got from friends who live in Chicago. One that follows the Cubs and one that follows the White Sox before the start of the Dodger series.

The 1st email:

"I can't wait to see the Dodgers destroy the Cubs. The Cubs are just like the Angels, they haven't played a meaningless game in months, and you'll watch how LA does like Colorado and steamrolls through everybody and makes us south-siders happy."

The 2nd email:

"They are a NL West team and they are coached by Joe Torre. Last time Lou faced both, he lost and badly. That gives me enough reason to fret."

Well, I guess both of them were right. The Cubs just looked tight as hell in this series. I'm not sure whether it was overconfidence or they just couldn't deal with the expectations. But, alot of people want to give Lou a pass for this series. Why? He's supposed to have his team ready to play. I know he can't control Soriano going 1 for 14 or Aramis leaving 19 players on base, but he could've sat them down. He could've blown up on his team or motivated them. What happened to that Lou? "We just have to play better." To me, that's not enough especially when your reputation shows that if I were to put money, after Game 1, you would've lit a fire under this team like you tore into TB all those losing years.

We saw it with Jones and Tarver. We saw it with Malone and Jordan. We saw it with Kelly and Aikman. Sometimes, someone just has your number. That's exactly what Joe Torre has. And we can't expect the Cubs to just win the division every year. The Reds have solid starting pitching, the Brewers are a force, and the Astros came on strong at the end. Next year, as much as you may not like to hear it, will be the beginning of the "Lou on the firing line" whispers arriving.

Check out my blog over at yoonewverse.com. Thanks fellas.

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

IF/OF 6 Hairston $2,250,000
OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
C 18 Treanor $850,000
IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 37 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$112,162,432

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Players on 40-man roster used as roster
fillers until moves are made.

Current 40-man roster count: 40
(not including Belisario)

2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
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61 Alberto Castillo lhp
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60 Matt Chico lhp
29
35 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
62 Luis Cruz ss/2b 28
33 Josh Fields 3b 29
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

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