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and is reportedly headed back to his old team. While I would have loved Rafy coming back for one year it was not in the cards and the last thing I would have wanted is a 34 year old SS with a bad back. On the surface not giving into the demands of Furcal is a good thing but ONLY if we decide to go with our in house options of Hu, Abreu, or DeJesus.

If Ned then turns to Orlando Cabrera, Jack Wilson, or Berroa then it will be a mistake. If you are going to have a light hitting SS you might as well have a low cost defensive gem like HU  then an expensive option like Cabrera or Wilson. Cabrera will cost us our number one draft pick plus whatever salary he can take from us. Wilson will cost us whatever it would take in trade value. Berroa would just cost us some money and might not be the worse option in case Hu still can't hit, Abreu still can't stay healthy, or DeJesus is just not ready.

Or maybe Ned will try to wrangle a different SS from some club that we are unaware is available. Tejada? Lugo? Hardy? Hall? Barlett? Brignac? Other then Hardy none of them are inspiring and Hardy would cost us a bundle.

Without signing Furcal the budget still sits at $70Million before any arbitration cases are resolved with Martin, Ethier, or Broxton.  With Boras having Manny as his agent I have little faith that Manny ends up a Dodger. The Dodgers are being very cautious this winter and when was the last time a cautious owner signed a Boras client.

The 2009 season might look grim as the team currently is constituted. It is only December so before we start the woe is me chant, let us wait until we see how this plays out. We will add some pitching, of that I am sure. If we indeed make no other moves and this is the team for 2009, it may not be a championship caliber team headed into the season but the core of talent is still intact with Loney, DeWitt, DeJesus, Martin, Ethier, Kemp, Billingsley, Kershaw, Broxton, McDonald, and Elbert so that is a plus. 

[UPDATE]

Not so fast says Yahoo's Tim Brown

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Hu is better than Berroa right now, simply because Berroa is a terrible defensive SS.

Dodger Fever: Catch it every summer; head to the ER every October.

by Tango and Cash on Dec 16, 2008 8:44 AM PST reply actions  

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Not if he hits like he did last year. No amount of defense can make up for what Hu did last year. Now if he can meet our modest offensive expectation you are correct. What was the plus/minus on Berroa last year? Subjectively he just seemed a tad below average, not Jeter like.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 16, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure about his +/- (where’s a good place to get that?) His FRAA for last year was actually 1, instead of the usual -15 to -20, so that actually helped him be worth 1.3 wins (WARP3). That tops Hu’s -0.4 WHIP due to his horrendous bat and his FRAA was below average in his Dodger stint (-2).

Dodger Fever: Catch it every summer; head to the ER every October.

by Tango and Cash on Dec 16, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Angel Berroa And Chin Lung Hu Defense

UZR=-4
Plus/Minus=0

UZR=-0.1
Plus/Minus=+4
PMR=5-6 plays above average or so (I forgot the exact thing he e-mailed me)

Either way, Hu is better than Berroa defensively, and he might be elite if given time.

by Chad Moriyama on Dec 16, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Reports are Furcal took less money to go Atlanta. He must really hate Oakland.

Dodger Fever: Catch it every summer; head to the ER every October.

by Tango and Cash on Dec 16, 2008 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

Is it confirmed that we won't match the offer?

I thought there was still a chance, however slim, that we got him. But with Ned’s comments it sounded doubtful. Just please Ned, let Hu/Dejesus play for it!!

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 16, 2008 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

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You may be right, sounds like negotiating is still going on.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 16, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

To clarify

I meant let Hu/Dejesus battle it out for SS if we didn’t get Furcal. I would be all for adding him on a 3 year deal. I agree with the poster below, Furcal is fun to watch, and obviously, really good if he is healthy.

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 16, 2008 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

A three year contract to Furcal might not be the best move, but hot damn do I like watching him play baseball.

by the big grabowski on Dec 16, 2008 9:15 PM PST reply actions  

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C 17 Ellis $490,000
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000
LF 23 Abreu $401,311
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
IF 12 Sellers $481,000
OF/1B 33 Van Slyke $388,197
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
C 18 Treanor $850,000

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000

CL 74
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RHP 52 Lindblom $483,000
RHP 51 Belisario $414,426
RHP 54 Guerra $488,000
RHP 28
Wright $900,000
LHP 57 Elbert $488,500
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000

DL 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
DL 6 Hairston $2,250,000
DL 21 Rivera $4,000,000
60DL 36 Hawksworth $495,000
60DL 41 De La Rosa $485,000

AAA 13 DeJesus $86,648
AA 50 Eovaldi $7,885
AAA 56 Antonini $7,869



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout
DFA 66 MacDougal $650,000

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