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Present - Grim, Future - Bright,

I have to keep chanting this to myself as I watch a Dodgers game on the tube. My only saving grace is the smooth, velvety voice of none other than Vin Scully.

The future is bright when I see players such as Kemp, Loney, Martin, Ethier, DeWitt, Kershaw, Broxton...and possibly LaRoche. What does bother me is the present and the makeup of the team. I have played this lovely game and been a fan my entire life, and I realize there is one thing missing....POWER!

You cannot consistently win games without the chance of a 3run homer. Don' t get me wrong; I'm not suggesting we take on the philosophy of Earl Weaver who sat back and waited on the 3run jack. But you cannot single and double teams to death and thing you are going to win. Not in the majors. Every hitter I mentioned above is a carbon copy of the other. They are all line drive hitters. To quote that creepy old woman back-in-the-day....."WHERE'S THE BEEF?"

If you are going to attempt to build a team that mimics the team to the south(Angels), well at least you need better pitching...and some speed(besides Pierre and Kemp).

With no threat of a homerun, opposing pitchers are not afraid of the Dodgers. So I hate to say it, but I don't think us Dodger's fans will be happy at the end of this year. But cheer up, the future is bright...the farm system has some talent and the Dodgers will spend money...granted history doesn't bode well for that statement either.

 


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Present: Definitely grim. Future?....Well....

Everybody jumps on Colletti and I must agree that I was appalled by his signings of Schmidt and Jones. Two serious mistakes. We got a couple of good seasons out of ‘Parra, but aside from that, no moves have really paid off. Now is the time for us to be patient with both Loney and Kemp. Both are young, both are very raw. Same thing could be said about Kershaw. I think the future is bright, but we are hanging in there anyway, with virtually no hitting, except for today when Martin and Kemp went deep. Keep the faith.

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by Buck18 on Jun 7, 2008 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Should be interesting down the line with AZ and LA

Right now I think the d-backs and dodgers are going to be keeping each other company at the top of the west for some time. Over at baseball prospectus they have this peak translator that estimates how a player will perform at his peak. I decided to compare a few key young position players of both teams. Here it is…

1B AZ- Conor Jackson- .405 OBP, .496 SLG%
1B LA- James Loney- .381OBP, .502 SLG%

Advantage? Arizona. Both will have similar power (Loney will have more HR’s but we all know HR’s do not tell the whole story when judging power, with that said though Loney will have slightly more power) but CoJack has a great eye at the plate and will be able to get on base more often, seeing how OBP is a slightly better indicator of actual runs scored as opposed to SLG% it is the more important stat.

C AZ- Miguel Montero- .356 OBP, .375 SLG%
C LA- Russel Martin- .417 OBP, .481 SLG%

Advantage? LA… By far. Really not even close and I don’t think I need to go into any explanation, Martin is going to be one of the best catchers in the game… Excuse me, is already one of the best in the game. Side note I saw him in a sports memorabilia shop signing auto graphs, I was going to get one but I was wearing all my d-backs stuff and decided it was probably not best too. :-)

CF AZ- Chris B. Young- .337 OBP, .482 SLG%
CF LA- Matt Kemp- .364 OBP, .492 SLG%

Advantage? LA. Chris Young is not going to live up to the hype, their should not have even been much of a hype since his 32 HR’s in 07 were very misleading and once again an example of why HR’s do not tell the whole story when it comes to power. Young will never do a good job with getting on base, I actually think this peak projection spoils him as far as what he will post in the OBP category. I would offer around the .323-.329 range. Kemp will be better in both power and the ability to get on base giving him the edge.

3B AZ- Mark Reynolds- .363 OBP, .546 SLG%
3B LA- Blake DeWitt- .353 OBP, .417 SLG%

Advantage? Arizona. Reynolds is going to show quite a bit of power in his peak years. I think they gave him a little to much credit again in the OBP field but I also could see him doing that in a great peak year, other then that no chance. I think DeWitts numbers are a little to low but still I don’t think he will ever near Reynolds power. He may be slightly better at getting on base (notice I say slightly) but Reynolds will always have much more power.

RF AZ- Justin Upton- .414 OBP, .558 SLG%
RF LA- Andre Ethier- .360 OBP, .483 SLG%

Advantage? Arizona. This one isn’t that close but only because Upton is going to be really good. Just one problem with this. According to baseball prospectus the average peak year for a player happens at around 27. Upton is 20 right now and will be a free agent by age 26 and if he puts up numbers near the ones suggested above we won’t be able to keep him. Ethier will be good, but Upton will be much better.
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I just felt like doing some key position players for now. As you can see the Dodgers have us owned at the catcher position and have the edge at CF but we got you pretty well beat at RF and 3B. Now of course these are PROJECTIONS so take them for what they are worth, but the guys at baseball prospectus don’t just pull these numbers out of their @$$. They go through years and years of player development and statistical patterns to get these projections.

Something else that has to be brought up is the money issue, as I pointed out above with Upton we won’t be able to keep most of these guys after they are done with arbitration. The Dodgers will though so that is something that needs to be taken into account. You guys have the money security, we don’t.

by dbacksfan01 on Jul 4, 2008 11:00 PM PDT reply actions  

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

IF/OF 6 Hairston $2,250,000
OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
C 18 Treanor $850,000
IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $8,500,000 arb
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 37 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$114,662,432

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Players on 40-man roster used as roster
fillers until moves are made.

Current 40-man roster count: 40
(not including Belisario)

2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
27
61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
60 Matt Chico lhp
29
35 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
62 Luis Cruz ss/2b 28
33 Josh Fields 3b 29
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

*Age on June 30, 2012

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