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Chad Billingsley is wicked awesome.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 7:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Billingsley is like the McGriddle. The culmination of a hundred good things in one magnificent package

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 8:57 AM PDT reply actions  

He should be pitching in this big 4 game series against the snakes; this series makes or breaks us!!!!

by dodgerblueasian on Jul 31, 2008 9:20 AM PDT reply actions  

We’re back in the hunt for Manny apparently.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Now the word is we’re offering Ethier instead of Kemp. I can’t believe we were even offering Kemp.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t either, because the Sox would have jumped on that.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m skipping lunch for this, so something good better come out of the trade deadline. Then again, I’m not even pretending to work, so it balances.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 11:49 AM PDT reply actions  

You should order a pizza. You can’t pretend to work on an empty stomach!

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I got cafeteria sushi. I might be dead before this all goes down.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maddux deal is dead according to Jayson Stark. Thank God.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

I like Colletti’s strategy. Keep on bringing in mediocre players, then DFA the previous mediocre player who you brought in because you thought he’d help you save your job.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

They can’t shoot you if you keep throwing out covering fire.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beane’s apparently turned off his phone, so no Duscherer or Street.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Paul Byrd off the table too.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Best thing to do right now I think is play hardball with Pittsburgh. Huntington has to make a move to get the organization back on track.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

But Bay also has a year and a half left in Pittsburgh. He’ll get less for Bay if he trades later, but he’s not forced to accept a bad deal.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

True but the Pirates need the players just to start a rebuilding effort if he wants there to be a team centered around McLouth, Doumit and McCutchen. They’re at least five years away right now.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

J. Bay supposedly traded from Brignac and Neimann.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought the Rays were going to hold for Wade Davis. Guess not.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brignac’s hitting .257/.304/.429 in AAA this year (albeit as a 22 year old) with a strikeout every 3.71 AB.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

As soon as I see that.

Will Carroll (12:10:22 PM PT): Does it surprise anyone that the Rays end up with nothing in this trade season?

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I like the line before that, that the Astros inquired about Dunn.

F@)! the heck?

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Christina Karhl’s burn on Ed Wade is classic.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch. The Astros have like eight worthwhile guys in their organization, that’s really the only option.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Junior goes to the White Sox.

www.sportzchat.com

by Linix129 on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

This has to increase the odds that Jack Wilson becomes a Dodger.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Another reason you should try to trade your talent at the deadline if you’re not contending: you’ll lose a few more games and probably get a higher draft pick as a result.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

True.

There’s a pretty good chance the Pirates end up getting only a fifth starter for Bay.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I assume you think Brignac is going to bust?

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not guaranteeing it by any means, but he’s only got 1/2 of a BABIP fueled season of usefulness above A ball. He hasn’t really shown any ability to hit at higher levels, but he’s still young.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Pirates have gone into media silence mode.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Kevin Goldstein (12:30:50 PM PT): LeverettB24 (Boston, MA): If you were the Red Sox, wouldn’t you take Kemp for Manny?

We have about 129 variations of this question in the que. This deal is not available. I repeat. This deal is not available.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I just sent that same thing to my brother. There was just a collective groan in Boston.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do the Jays want Ibanez? Can anyone explain that one?

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Who’s their DH right now?

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

John Heyman saying a “prospects” for Manny deal being worked on.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

How many outfielders does Ned Colletti want? That would make Manny, Kemp, Pierre, Jones, Ethier. This is ridiculous.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like having five outfielders myself.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does Colletti think this is little league, where you have one guy in Left-center field, and another guy in right-center field?

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Think of how much Ethier and Kemp will improve our bench.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a good point. We’d have the best bench ever.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

This has to be pyschological, but I’m getting stomach cramps and chills after that sushi.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Bay apparently not being traded to the Rays. Freidman’s being a wuss.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I think you do this deal. I was hesitant about giving up Brignac because Bartlett is nothing great, but he’s good enough to be a stopgap for awhile longer.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Brignac’s still at least a year away. He’s overwhelmed by AAA pitching right now. You can always pickup glove first shortstops as cheap filler anyway.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that’s time. Half hour or so for everything to get announced.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

What a boring deadline. They really need to move the deadline back up to midnight EST. Those were always fun.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Things are still going past Bud’s desk, so we can still see some stuff.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Will Carroll (1:16:07 PM PT): Is it too early for mojitos? Is it ever too early for mojitos?

Will Carroll is a girl unless he’s in a cabana right now.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Is drinking a mojito just like eating a mint?

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

A really sweet limey one.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just remembered Will Carroll occasionally reads this site.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m facebook friends with Will Carroll.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hoping

for the Rays to get Bay, they are one team that it would be worthwhile for. Maybe they got a great report on Baldelli and backed off. He might be activated this weekend. Talk about strange illnesses, I’m still not sure what he had.

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 31, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh Crap

Will Carroll (1:22:15 PM PT): Manny to Dodgers?

Will Carroll (1:22:51 PM PT): Yep, I have two sources on this one, plus Jon Heyman. NO idea on particulars.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

DAMN IT!

Rot in hell, Colletti!

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just assuming we’re going to get hosed on this deal, so excuse me for my early tirade.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa.

Carlos (Los Angeles): Sports Illustrated is reporting that Manny Ramirez was traded to the Dodgers. Can you confirm?

TJ (Washington, DC): Rob- MLB.com is reporting Bay to the DODGERS

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I know this would never happen but LaRoche, Ethier, McDonald, Hu and, I don’t know, Beimel for those guys would probably be fatal in the long term, but a Bay/Manny/Kemp outfield would be damn fun.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Now I’m reading it was a 3-way, with Bay going to the Red Sox.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now it’s Bay to Boston in a three way deal.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I've Been Shown By Christina Kahrl

Christina Kahrl (1:25:35 PM PT): Andrew (Los Angeles): Christina, I think you’re underestimating how much of Kotchman’s value comes from his defense.

It’s first base, and the first order of business at the position is hitting. Like lipstick on a pig, I suppose it’s nice enough, but I want bacon. If you want the Mientkiewicz types, that’s all well and good, but better to find a bopper.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Bay to the Sox, Manny to us, four prospects of various origin to the Pirates now.

I’d rather have Bay.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

glad laroche is still here. will next year finally be the year he gets his shot?

by CSon on Jul 31, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m sure LaRoche is still considered a prospect to the media.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

May not be here

Things got interesting. Does anyone think a Manny/Kent clubhouse could be one serious firecracker in Sept.

I’d rather have Bay also.

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 31, 2008 1:40 PM PDT reply actions  

LaRoche and Bryan Morris gone.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

oh crap...

Rosenthal:

Updated 4:28 p.m.: Manny traded to Dodgers
Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers in a three-team blockbuster, pending the approval of the commissioner’s office, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.

Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.

The Red Sox will pay all of the approximately $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s contract.

by CSon on Jul 31, 2008 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

New Manny post up top.

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by Andrew on Jul 31, 2008 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

There goes our 3B of the future, who should’ve been our 3B of the present.

by Tango and Cash on Jul 31, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

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C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
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RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

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SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
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RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
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31
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70 Will Savage rhp
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25
28 Jamey Wright rhp
37

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