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Chris Dial has updated his offense plus defense numbers. These use a linear weights based system to determine offensive runs above average, and a zone rating based system to determine defensive runs above average.

Manny Ramirez 21.8
Rafael Furcal 18.3
Russell Martin 13.6
Andre Ethier 10.6
Matt Kemp 8.3
Blake DeWitt -2.6
Casey Blake -4.2
Jeff Kent -5.6
Andy LaRoche -6.0
Luis Maza -6.8
Nomar Garciaparra -7.0
Angel Berroa -7.1
Juan Pierre -8.3
Chin Lung Hu -8.6
Delwyn Young -10.5
James Loney -10.7
Mark Sweeney -10.7
Andruw Jones -20.10

The two most valuable players on the Dodgers have played on the team for a little more than two months combined. Pretty sad. Nothing is too surprising about the list, our only good players that have been around all year are Martin, Ethier, and Kemp, our non Furcal shortstops have been pretty equally horrible, and Andruw Jones has managed to use his time off to not be the worst player in the NL. There were a few interesting things though:

-Manny Ramirez is the 18th most valuable position player in the NL despite only being here a month. He's already passed up Adam Dunn, Pat Burrell, and Ryan Braun to become the second most valuable left fielder.

-Andy LaRoche as a Pirate -7.4 runs, only 3.2 less than Casey Blake. Even though LaRoche is doing an amazing job at making me look like a fool by hitting .143/.233/.299 since leaving, Casey Blake's defense means that he's not all that much better.

-James Loney has hurt the team as much as Mark Sweeney. Since these numbers count double plays, and Sweeney isn't allowed to touch a glove, Loney has contributed just as much as the hated Sweeney. Good contact, no speed, and little power might be a terrible combination. If Loney doesn't improve his power and defense, he's going to be a hole for the Dodgers.

Interestingly, three of the top 20 players in OPD this year were obtained for free. Ryan Ludwick, Jody Gerut and Jayson Werth were all taken off the scrapheap and have been far more valuable than anyone that's spent the season with this team.  With the huge amount of holes the Dodgers have next year, we need to watch the guys who get non tendered, DFAed, or released this offseason and see if we can pick up someone like this off the scrap heap. Yeah, there's risk involved, but we need all the cheap talent we can get.

 

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bRAA per StatCorner.com

Manny Ramirez 16.3
Rafael Furcal 16.2
Andre Ethier 15.2
James Loney 14.6
Matt Kemp 12.4
Russel Martin 9.5
Jeff Kent 0.5
Corey Wade 0.3
Casey Blake 0.2
Terry Tiffee 0.0

Everyone else is in the negative. Andruw Jones is as far negative as Manny is positive.

If it wasn't for college football I'd probably have given up on sports.

by bluemax on Sep 3, 2008 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

So Loney is 3rd on the team in VORP, but he’s one of the least valuable players to team?

That’s basically what they’re saying, yes?

by Chad Moriyama on Sep 3, 2008 5:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t get how Manny can be better in a month than Ryan Braun has been all season.

by Tango and Cash on Sep 3, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s the way it’s weighted i’m sure. If you ground into any number of double plays, you’re penalized severely. Plus, Braun doesn’t walk much.

I dunno, i’m not completely sold on this metric at all. Especially since it only uses one defensive value as the end all. And I think we all know how volatile those can be.

by Chad Moriyama on Sep 3, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that seems impossible. Would anyone not trade the one month we’ve had of Manny for the whole season of Braun???

by Brendan Scolari on Sep 3, 2008 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Linear weights kills you for double plays, they’re the equivalent of more than three outs. It makes sense since you’re turning a hit into an out, which is a difference of about .65 runs.

Does it make sense to do this? Maybe. It is something to note if a guy consistently is near the league lead.

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by Andrew on Sep 3, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think a lot depends on how predictive double plays are. How much has to do with the batter and how much has to do with the guy in front of him.

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by Andrew on Sep 3, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Linear weights also really values on base percentage. The difference between a walk and an out is more than a single and a triple.

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by Andrew on Sep 3, 2008 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

And you know, Manny does have a 300 point OPS lead.

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by Andrew on Sep 3, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. But i’ll take a .950 OPS over 6 months over a 1.200 OPS over 1 month anyday.

by Chad Moriyama on Sep 3, 2008 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you just got back from a rendezvous with Mary Jane!

by Tango and Cash on Sep 3, 2008 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Going by this metric, the Dodgers should trade Matt Kemp for Jody Gerut, because Gerut is a Top 20 player in the NL and will be a HUGE upgrade down the stretch this year. He’s cheap too.

Sweet, right?

by Chad Moriyama on Sep 3, 2008 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Gerut is out OPSing Kemp in a pitchers park. It’s not like he’ll keep doing it, but the guy is having a studly year.

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by Andrew on Sep 3, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, you as in Andrew.

by Tango and Cash on Sep 3, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Believe me, I hate Jody Gerut. Killed my fantasy team one year.

“Hey, this guy had 22 home runs in limited play time his rookie year, he must be good”

Time passes….

“God dammit Jody Gerut”

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by Andrew on Sep 3, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The reason he’s above Kemp in that ranking is because he’s apparently some kind of savant with the glove all of a sudden.

I’m just gonna say that the differences between Dodger Stadium THIS YEAR and Petco are not very different.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

And Kemp is far better at stealing bases, which is why his VORP is higher. I don’t necessarily understand most of the rankings, to be honest. I’m skeptical I guess.

If you look at

by Chad Moriyama on Sep 3, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

The ESPN park factors are known to be screwed up. Use the Baseball Reference ones

The defense is why he’s way, way better than Kemp in this metric. He’s still out hitting him.

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by Andrew on Sep 3, 2008 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Kemp has a WARP3 of 7.0 compared to Gerut’s 6.0.

by Tango and Cash on Sep 3, 2008 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gerut vs Kemp

Stat RV/PA RV600 wOBA wOBA* lgwOBA bRAA wOBA+
Gerut 0.046 27.6 0.372 0.380 0.327 16.3 116
Kemp 0.022 13.2 0.353 0.352 0.327 12.4 108

Its close I guess but the edge offensively goes to Gerut.

If it wasn't for college football I'd probably have given up on sports.

by bluemax on Sep 3, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, that’s why I said his VORP was higher because of his clear stealing superiority, which is still part of the offensive game plan.

And the fact that he’s ahead of Kemp because of a defensive metric makes me even more skeptical. Pretty sure everybody knows how defensive metrics can be, and i’ve never been a fan of using a single one to make a complete judgment.

by Chad Moriyama on Sep 3, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyway, it’s something else to consider, but I doubt you’ll see me going around saying Loney is the reason this team sucks. :o

by Chad Moriyama on Sep 3, 2008 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Lots of people like Loney, and therefor do not see the problem he is. If he does not develop his power and significantly develop his patience, he will always be a well below average 1B.

by Paul Scott on Sep 3, 2008 10:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m impartial when it comes to Loney. I really don’t care one way or another. He’s always had power issues, and he’s not a overly patient hitter. To say he’s a problem though? Nah.

I just find it hard to believe that the guy who’s 12th among MLB first basemen in VORP is somehow arguably the worst first baseman in the majors…OFFENSIVELY.

by Chad Moriyama on Sep 4, 2008 3:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

IF/OF 6 Hairston $2,250,000
OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
C 18 Treanor $850,000
IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$112,162,432

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Players on 40-man roster used as roster
fillers until moves are made.

Current 40-man roster count: 40
(not including Belisario)

2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
27
61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
56 Matt Chico lhp
29
33 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25
28 Jamey Wright rhp
37

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
65 Luis Cruz ss/2b 28
37 Josh Fields 3b 29
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

*Age on June 30, 2012

NRI count: 20

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