The All-Time LA Dodger Lineup: The #3 Spot
The first two spots in our batting order are taken, so the table is ready to be set by the 60's tandem of Maury Wills and Junior Gilliam.
All-Time LA Dodger Lineup |
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| No | Player | Pos |
| 30 | Maury Wills | SS |
| 19 | Jim Gilliam | 2B/3B |
Since we are going to have so many possible options for the three spot there will be a runoff of the top four unless one player totally dominates the voting.
Now it's time to bring up the big sticks, the guys to drive home our table setters. The all-time LA Dodger leader in games started batting third as well as Win Shares, Willie Davis, is going against some heavy artillery. We have a little more flexibility with Jim Gilliam, as we can put him at 2B or 3B, so I won't automatically disqualify 2B or 3B until we pick one more.
Here are the stats for the primary #3 hitters in Los Angeles Dodger history. Their overall stats as a Dodger are listed, along with the games started and years they were the primary #3 hitter for the Dodgers:
| Pos | Player | Years | #3 Starts | PA | HR | Runs | RBI | SB | Slash Stats | OPS+ |
| CF | Willie Davis | 1962,64-73 | 1250 | 8035 | 154 | 1004 | 849 | 335 | .279/.312/.413 | 107 |
| C | Mike Piazza |
1994-1997 | 499 | 3017 | 177 | 443 | 563 | 10 | .331/.394/.572 | 159 |
| LF | Dusty Baker |
1981-1983 | 476 | 4552 | 144 | 549 | 586 | 73 | .281/.343/.437 | 117 |
| RF | Reggie Smith |
1976-1978 | 442 | 2055 | 97 | 314 | 301 | 32 | .297/.387/.528 | 151 |
| RF | Shawn Green |
2002-2003 | 392 | 3462 | 162 | 505 | 509 | 63 | .280/.366/.510 | 130 |
| LF | Gary Sheffield |
1998-2001 | 375 | 2276 | 129 | 358 | 367 | 43 | .312/.424/.573 | 160 |
| LF | Wally Moon |
1959-1965 | 281 | 2657 | 64 | 337 | 330 | 41 | .286/.377/.435 | 119 |
| CF | Jimmy Wynn |
1974-75 | 262 | 1185 | 50 | 184 | 166 | 25 | .261/.394/.463 | 143 |
| LF | Tommy Davis |
1959-1966 | 215 | 3216 | 86 | 392 | 465 | 65 | .304/.338/.441 | 117 |
| LF | Kirk Gibson |
1988-1990 | 204 | 1283 | 42 | 200 | 142 | 69 | .264/.353/.433 | 124 |
Eric's Pick
For me, the choices boil down nicely to three categories:
1) The best hitting catcher in baseball history
2) Leftfield: One guy who was one half of the first high five in history, or another who came to town in the trade of #1. Kirk Gibson simply wasn't around long enough to build on the greatest sports moment of my lifetime.
3) Rightfield: One guy who hit 4 HR in a game in Milwaukee, or another who jumped into the stands to attack a heckling Giant fan in San Francisco.
I have narrowed my choices to three: Piazza, Sheffield, and Smith. My immediate instinct was to pick Piazza. How can the all-time LA Dodger lineup not have Mike Piazza? It seems so obvious to want to right the wrong of trading Mike over a decade ago, but if you remember our rules this is a strategic pick. If you look at the choices for LF, it is slim pickings outside of Sheffield or Baker, and the alternatives I might have are more associated with positions in the batting order that are either filled by this poll or in my mind. In RF, there are a few other options, especially ones I can place later in the order. Factor in that my favorite catcher growing up and the greatest blocker of home plate in baseball history, Mike Scioscia, can bat either 6th or 7th, and Sheffield seems like a choice I have to make. However, I simply can't let that happen. I'm going with my heart on this one. I'll take the 62nd round pick, Mike Piazza.
Phil's Pick
Eric and i differ on the players here so I'm adding a couple of my favorites. I may wax a little longer then Eric as some of these are my favorites. None of these may belong with the others but they all deserve a mention.
Tommy Davis was the first great hitter to grace Chavez Ravine. By the time Dodger Stadium had opened Duke Snider was on his last legs and the kid who was recruited by Jackie Robinson put up the highest OPS+ season of the 60's. Once he broke his leg in 65 he was never the same but for two years (62,63) Tommy Davis was the man.
Before Tommy Davis was tearing up Dodger Stadium Wally Moon was bringing the crowd to it's feet at the Coliseum and his Moon Shots were the number one attraction at the Coliseum.
The Toy Cannon only played two years for the Dodgers but he left an impression on many fans with the power he generated from his strange physique. As a Center Fielder his combination of plate discipline and power was unusual and would slot in well in this lineup. He's wasn't the hitter that Sheffield was but Sheff can be replaced with quality in the corners. If Wynn is not the choice the options for center field are slim. Duke does not appear to meet Eric's criteria for games played as he rarely played CF at the end of his career. He might qualify in the four spot but he would have to beat out some juggernauts to make it.
Some of you might remember this moment but he was much more then one plate appearance. Kirk Gibson is one of a handful of LA Dodgers to win the MVP trophy. One of them sits on top of our lineup. Is there room for another MVP?
For informational purposes be aware that some of greatest hitters will fall off this poll if they are not selected for the three spot. No Piazza, No Reggie Smith, No Jimmy Wynn, No Sheffield, and no Wally Moon. No Willie Davis either but if you have a choice between Wynn and Davis for CF....
Mike Piazza is simply my favorite Dodger of all time. Nothing cracked my Dodger amour as much as his trade. It took years to repair the wound but I'm not sure he's the man for this job. Scoscia or Roseboro could easily slot into the 7th hole but I think a team with Steve Yeager batting 8th is going to be the best team given the options in the eight hole.
As a ballplayer Reggie Smith was better then Sheffield. They are close as hitters but Reggie could do it all with one of the greatest arms I've ever seen. I wish like hell he'd batted somewhere other then 3rd. This team needs a left handed presence because I don't think Shawn Green is going to win this vote or the four vote. Jimmy Wynn was the best Los Angeles offensive Center Fielder and it is not even close. So do you pick the best Los Angeles offensive catcher (Piazza), the best all around player (Smith) or the best offensive center fielder (Jimmy Wynn)? My heart says give me the backstop, my brain says give me the best all around player I've ever seen play for the Dodgers. Reggie Smith has been so underrated it drives me crazy to see players like Jim Rice make it into the HOF when Reggie Smith was the better player in every way. Reggie Smith needs to be in this lineup. Sorry Mike, Sorry Jimmy. Screw you Sheff.
Good luck making your decision.
Who is your pick? This poll will run through Saturday at noon, or until four players clearly stand out. We will then go into a runoff with the top four, unless one player gets 50% of the vote and leads by more than 10% over the 2nd place player.
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It has to be Piazza doesn't it?
Otherwise there’s a huge dropoff at catcher, hurting the lineup elsewhere.
by Brendan Scolari on Jan 27, 2009 5:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There's a bigger drop in CF
After Wynn and WIllie D, it’s slim pickings.
At least at catcher we could stick Scioscia 6th or 7th if we had to. But I suspect Piazza will win this poll.
-Eric
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Kemp farther down the order?
I guess he probably doesn’t have enough at bats, but he’s a plus CF’er. I assume Snider doesn’t qualify?
by Brendan Scolari on Jan 27, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Snider had just about 200 games in CF but the only spot he’d qualify for is clean up. If an old Duke Snider is our clean up hitter I’m not sure that is a good thing.
by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok wasn't sure where he batted
but he did play 5 seasons in LA and never had an OPS+ less than 126, so he was still really good.
by Brendan Scolari on Jan 27, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We had our own Reggie Chant
I like Pizzaman, lord knows he could hit but I can’t think of a better RF than Reggie Smith. Seems like Phil and I think alike on this one. I can still see Reggie throwing out guys at third base on the fly from deep in rightfield corner trying to get there from first. No bounce needed with Reggie. I was real sad to see Reggie end up in a Giant uniform.
Scioscia is no where near the hitter that Pizzaman was but his hitting was clutch and his far superior defense saved a lot of runs so he will be my pick for catcher. This is a tough one as both Willie Davis and Dusty Baker deserve spots but neither one stands up to Reggie all around.
by IWILLRULEYOU on Jan 27, 2009 6:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Batting Third?
Don’t you see Mike Piazza in the cleanup? So, shouldn’t the Duke be battin’ third? Otherwise I have to go with Reggie, Reggie, Reggie!!!
by dodgerbill on Jan 27, 2009 6:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Piazza rarely batted 4th during his tenure with the Dodgers so he won’t qualify in the four spot. Erick Karros got that call and I think has more ab’s in the four spot then any LA Dodger but I’d have to check my database at work to be sure.
Phil
by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is looking like a landslide
Bye Bye Reggie, Sheff, Willie, Kirk, Wally, and Toy.
by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
MP
There is no way Piazza doesn’t run away with this.
by the big grabowski on Jan 27, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No run off for this one
Looks like we will be hitting the cleanup spot by Wednesday Night.
by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would also like to add...
…screw you sheff.
by the big grabowski on Jan 27, 2009 10:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yea, who doesn’t still hate that guy?
Dodger Fever: Catch it every summer; head to the ER every October.
by Tango and Cash on Jan 28, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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