The All-Time LA Dodger Team: The #1 Starter
All-Time Lineup: #1 | #2 | #3 | #4 | #5 | #6 | #7 | #8
Thanks to all of your votes -- over 1,500 in all -- our All-Time LA Dodger starting lineup is now set:
All-Time LA Dodger Lineup |
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| No | Player | Pos |
| 30 | Maury Wills |
SS |
| 19 | Jim Gilliam | 2B |
| 31 | Mike Piazza | C |
| 28 | Pedro Guerrero | RF |
| 6 | Steve Garvey | 1B |
| 10 |
Ron Cey | 3B |
| 12 |
Dusty Baker | LF |
| 3 |
Willie Davis | CF |
Now that we've decided who will score the runs, it's time to find out the primary factors to preventing runs: the starting pitchers.
To decide the five-man starting staff, we are using only pitchers who have started 100 games for the LA Dodgers. There are 29 such pitchers, more than enough from which to choose an excellent starting staff. There are some good pitchers left off the list -- Rick Rhoden and Mike Morgan, for instance -- but none whose absence will affect this list. The only notable name missing really is Chad Billingsley, who is 32 starts shy of the magical 100-start mark, so his 3rd best ERA+ in LA Dodger history will have to wait for future polls.
Here are the 29 starters, ranked by total LA Dodger starts (stats include all games pitched):
| Pitcher | Starts | W-L | Win% | ERA+ |
| Don Sutton | 533 | 233-181 | .563 | 110 |
| Don Drysdale | 424 | 187-152 | .552 | 117 |
| Claude Osteen | 335 | 147-126 | .538 | 106 |
| Fernando Valenzuela | 320 | 141-116 | .549 | 107 |
| Orel Hershiser | 309 | 135-107 | .558 | 116 |
| Sandy Koufax | 286 | 156-77 | .670 | 135 |
| Bob Welch | 267 | 115-86 | .572 | 114 |
| Burt Hooton | 265 | 112-84 | .571 | 113 |
| Ramon Martinez | 262 | 123-77 | .615 | 109 |
| Johnny Podres | 220 | 95-74 | .562 | 104 |
| Jerry Reuss | 201 | 86-69 | .555 | 113 |
| Hideo Nomo | 191 | 81-66 | .551 | 104 |
| Doug Rau | 184 | 80-58 | .580 | 106 |
| Chan Ho Park | 181 | 84-58 | .592 | 109 |
| Bill SInger | 179 | 69-76 | .476 | 105 |
| Tommy John | 174 | 87-42 | .674 | 118 |
| Tom Candiotti | 159 | 52-64 | .448 | 106 |
| Ismael Valdes | 158 | 61-57 | .517 | 115 |
| Derek Lowe | 135 | 54-48 | .529 | 122 |
| Pedro Astacio | 132 | 48-47 | .505 | 104 |
| Kevin Brown | 129 | 58-32 | .644 | 147 |
| Stan Williams | 129 | 57-46 | .553 | 105 |
| Andy Messersmith | 123 | 55-34 | .618 | 129 |
| Odalis Perez | 120 | 45-40 | .529 | 102 |
| Al Downing | 120 | 46-37 | .554 | 107 |
| Tim Belcher | 119 | 50-38 | .568 | 118 |
| Brad Penny | 115 | 46-33 | .582 | 108 |
| Darren Dreifort | 113 | 48-60 | .444 | 95 |
| Rick Honeycutt | 108 | 33-45 | .423 | 100 |
Here's how the voting will work this time around: simply vote for the best starter among all the choices. For instance, now we are voting for the #1 starter. The head honcho. The big cheese. The big kahuna. The guy who will start games 1, 4, and 7 in the World Series. Once that winner is decided, he gets dropped off the poll, and a new poll will commence for the #2 starter, choosing the best from the 28 pitchers remaining. The process will continue until we have chosen five starting pitchers, our all-time starting rotation.
Eric's Pick
This is a no-brainer, right? Sandy Koufax is without question the top starter in Dodger history. His 1963-1966 run represents four of the top nine ERA+ seasons in LA Dodger history, including the top two.
Kevin Brown actually had a higher ERA+ than Koufax (147 to 135), but Brown simply wasn't healthy long enough to come close to this spot, having only been healthy for 3.5 seasons in Los Angeles. Let's face it, if Sandy Koufax -- he of one of the classic short careers in baseball history -- has you beat on longevity, you aren't going to win that battle.
Don Sutton has all the counting stat records, with 15 full seasons with the Dodgers, but he doesn't hold a candle to Koufax. Of the top 25 game scores in LA Dodger history, Koufax has 13 of them. Sutton has two.
Don Drysdale was a great pitcher, but Walter Alston made the choice for me in the 1965 World Series. In Game 7 in Minnesota, Alston had the choice of going with his star RHP Drysdale, on three days rest, or his star LHP Koufax on only two days rest. Alston chose Koufax, who proceeded to win the title by throwing a shutout.
Tom Verducci, otherwise known as Joe Torre's co-author, described Koufax this way for Sports Illustrated in 1999:
Koufax was God's template for a pitcher: a prizefighter's back muscles for strength, long arms for leverage and long fingers for extra spin on his fastball and curveball. The baseball was as low as the top of his left ankle when he reached back to throw in that last calm moment of his delivery—like a freight train cresting a hill—just before he flung the weight and force of his body toward the plate.
I'm comfortable with God's template for a pitcher leading our staff.
Phil's Pick
After getting whacked in my Beltre support I'll slide over today to the guy who should win every vote except those who just want to be different. As we get down to the other spots I'll have plenty to say. Big Don may be in the HOF but will he make our rotation? The starting lineup may not be all I imagined but whoever we put together for our rotation, these guys aren't going to be giving up many runs.
Who's your pick?
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Pas moi
But I would have voted for Cody Ross if you’d thought to include him on the ballot. Or Jayson Werth.
by Andrew Shimmin on Jan 31, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Chan Ho Park?
Just saw his stats; I didn’t realize he was that good when he used to start for us. I only remember Park from the Rangers. I might slot him into #4 or 5.
At least one of those Park votes is legitimate. Take that Andrew Grant!
by Andrew Shimmin on Jan 31, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions
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Andrew was probably more polite then I was. Park is off the table. Take that PenBoy.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 31, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Disenfranchisement!
I really only voted the once. But my hat is off to whoever was freeping your poll. Imagine having the capacity to entertain yourself is such a way, with so little energy and no discernible reward. It’s like free cocaine without the nosebleeds.
by Andrew Shimmin on Jan 31, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
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Maybe that was how Wills won the 1st poll.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 31, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Nosebleeds
I save my nosebleeds for time travel, thank you very much.
-Eric
by Eric Stephen on Jan 31, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
I just wanted to add...
…that this:
Imagine having the capacity to entertain yourself is such a way, with so little energy and no discernible reward
Is one of the greatest rip/compliments of all time.
-Eric
by Eric Stephen on Jan 31, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
There’s a whiff of envy in the air. Verily, your poll stuffer is a triumph of evolution. Twenty years from now, we’ll all be lining up for the recombinant DNA vaccine that rejiggers the pleasure centers of our brains to function the way his does.
by Andrew Shimmin on Jan 31, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Nomo
I voted for Koufax, but Nomo’s ERA+ doesn’t really represent how good he was before he got hurt and old. :o
Nomo was a sensation
He did have the #11, 41, and 65 top ERA+ seasons in LA Dodger history.
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/FNwx
That said, he won’t sniff the top 5.
-Eric
by Eric Stephen on Jan 31, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Drysdale
My guess is that he makes the starting five with ease, given the voting population. Wills and to some extent Jr. made it, me thinks, based upon voters who had actually seen them play. Seeing Big Don pitch was something, well, if your name was not Big Mac.
There's even a question?
How can you vote for ANYONE but Koufax?
Not only the greatest Dodger pitcher, he is top 5 MLB period!
I guess if you aren’t old enough to have seen him you only have the stats, and as overwhelming as they are, HE was MORE overwhelming and all of that done with a bum arm.
He was injured and shot with cortisone the majority of the 1961-66 seasons. He is nothing short of the most MIRACULOUS pitcher in history. He was a work of God’s great art!
NO ONE should come close in this vote.
Question mark instead of period?
I’m not sure Koufax is in the top 5 of all-time. In fact, I’m fairly certain he’s not. He has a little James Dean / John Kennedy in him, in that his legend grew after he left the big stage early (at least he didn’t die!). Koufax didn’t have to go through the decline phase that everyone goes through, and when you consider park effects and the low-scoring era, his relative greatness is somewhat diminished.
His final 5 years were certainly amazing, but let’s look how they stack up against the peaks of some other greats:
Pedro (1999-2003): 228 ERA+
Maddux (1994-1998): 202 ERA+
Big Train (1911-1915): 200 ERA+
Unit (1998-2002): 175 ERA+
Pete Alexander (1915-1919): 175 ERA+
Grove (1928-1932): 172 ERA+
Mathewson (1908-1912): 170 ERA+
Koufax (1962-1966): 167 ERA+
Kevin Brown (1996-2000): 164 ERA+
Koufax’s case rests strongly on his peak value, yet his peak is lower than many that also best him in career value.
Trust me, though, I love Sandy Koufax. I just think a lot of his value lies in his legend that has grown since he walked away at 30 years old.
-Eric
by Eric Stephen on Jan 31, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Whose idea of a joke was it to put Dreifort on this list? I want answers!
Dodger Fever: Catch it every summer; head to the ER every October.
PEDRO ASTACIO!!!!! Why are you doing this to us?!
Dodger Fever: Catch it every summer; head to the ER every October.
by Tango and Cash on Feb 1, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Dreifort / Astacio / Odalis, etc
Think about those guys as a palette-cleansing sorbet in between the main courses of Koufax, Big D, Orel, Fernando, et al.
-Eric

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