Baseball America MidWest League Chat
BA Top 20 MIdWest League.
1. Aaron Hicks, of, Beloit (Twins)
2. Dee Gordon, ss, Great Lakes (Dodgers)
3. Josh Vitters, 3b, Peoria (Cubs)
4. Brett Lawrie, 2b, Wisconsin (Brewers)
5. Mike Montgomery, lhp, Burlington (Royals)
6. Casey Crosby, lhp, West Michigan (Tigers)
7. Simon Castro, rhp, Fort Wayne (Padres)
8. Jaff Decker, of, Fort Wayne (Padres)
9. Cody Scarpetta, rhp, Wisconsin (Brewers)
10. Ethan Martin, rhp, Great Lakes (Dodgers)
11. Tim Melville, rhp, Burlington (Royals)
12. Eric Hosmer, 1b, Burlington (Royals)
13. A.J. Pollock, of, South Bend (Diamondbacks)
14. Wily Peralta, rhp, Wisconsin (Brewers)
15. James Darnell, 3b, Fort Wayne (Padres)
16. Chris Archer, rhp, Peoria (Cubs)
17. Kyle Russell, of, Great Lakes (Dodgers)
18. Grant Desme, of, Kane County (Athletics)
19. Pedro Figueroa, lhp, Kane County (Athletics)
20. Chris Carpenter, rhp, Peoria (Cubs)
Dee Gordon at number two is very nice indeed. It is where I predicted several days ago. Martin at 10 is solid. Russell at 17 is about right. No Aaron Miller so I expect he did not pitch enough innings. We will ask in the chat.
2.Dee Gordon, ss, Great Lakes (Dodgers)
Age: 21. B-T: L-R. Ht.: 5-11. Wt.: 150. Drafted: Seminole (Fla.) CC, 2008 (4).
A transcript mixup left Gordon ineligible to play in the spring before the 2008 draft, but the Dodgers learned about him because his father Tom, the big league all-star, tipped off Los Angeles farm director DeJon Watson, a former teammate in the Royals system. Smaller but just as athletic as Hicks, Gordon is still raw yet hit .301 in his first full season and stole a league-high 73 bases.
"He's just touching what he can do," South Bend manager Mark Haley said. "He's got a lot more in the tank. He's just learning to play the game."
Gordon crowds the plate and is a free swinger, but he consistently barrels balls and drills liners to the opposite field. He's working on drawing walks and bunting so he can get on base more to take advantage of his top-of-the-line speed. He's still learning to steal bases after topping the minors by getting caught 25 times. More than a slap hitter, he should have decent pop once he gets stronger.
A defensive work in progress as well, Gordon led MWL shortstop with 34 errors. He needs to charge more balls and keep his elbow up on his throws. With good actions, plus range and a solid arm, he has the tools to stay at shortstop, and it's also easy to envision him as an above-average defender in center field.
10. Ethan Martin, rhp, Great Lakes (Dodgers)
Age: 20. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-2. Wt.: 195. Drafted: Hs—Toccoa, Ga., 2008 (1).
The first high school pitcher drafted in 2008, Martin tweaked his knee during a postdraft minicamp, delaying his pro debut until this spring. He has an electric arm but is still figuring out how to use it, no surprise considering that he was more highly regarded as a third baseman until his senior season.
Martin has an explosive 93-95 mph fastball that touches 97. His heater features good sink at times and cuts in on lefties at others, though it also flattens out on him. He'll spin some hard, nasty curveballs, though he struggles to throw his breaking ball for strikes. His changeup is less refined, and his long arm action in back has some scouts wondering if he's destined to be a power reliever.
17.Kyle Russell, of, Great Lakes (Dodgers)
Age: 23. B-T: L-L. Ht.: 6-5. Wt.: 195. Drafted: Texas, 2008 (3).
Russell shared MVP honors with Gordon after leading the league in homers (26), RBIs (102), extra-base hits (72) and slugging (.545). He also paced the MWL with 180 strikeouts, the second-highest total in the minors.
In other words, he was the same old Kyle Russell. In high school and while setting home run records at the University of Texas, he always was a streaky boom-or-bust hitter. He has the size, strength and leverage to drive balls great distances, but he also has a long stroke, a pull-conscious approach and little discipline. He'll draw walks but won't tone down his swing with two strikes.
Russell isn't a one-dimensional player however. He has good speed and athleticism for his size, and he plays a solid right field with a plus arm. Gabella compared him to Russell Branyan, and scouts who saw him in the MWL gave him a chance to be a platoon player or a regular in the majors.
This was our review of the team. If you do not have a Baseball America subscription and you 'd like me to ask a question for you, put it in the comments and I'll post it for you under the name of TrueBlueLa. If it is a stupid question I won't ask it since it will be asked under our umbrella. Because unlike teachers TrueBlueLA is not trying to improve the self confidence of our members and we know there are stupid questions. Like "Does having a vagina slow down Manny's bat speed".
The ranking is important because of those players who get ranked we can get some insight on them from the detailed report that BA presents on anyone who makes the top 20. The Loons have plenty of candidates in Dee Gordon (Player of the year in 2010), Kyle Russell, Aaron Miller, Ethan Martin, Nathan Eovaldi, Jon-Michael Redding, and Tony Delmonico.
The BA top 20 is something we aspire our prospects to make and when they do we are proud of them, while if they don't, we simply figure the scouts don't respect our prospects enough. Previous top 20 Prospects:
Great Lake Loons A Ball - MidWestLeague
2008 - Number 7, Andrew Lambo
2007 - Number 1, Clayton Kershaw
Number 9, Josh Bell
Columbus Catfish A Ball - South Atlantic
2006 - Nobody - and nobody deserved it
2005 - Number 1, Scott Elbert
Number 7, Blake DeWitt
I found this comment in the 2005 BA Chat interesting:
Blake Dewitt from Los Angeles asks:
Why is Blake Dewitt at #7? He was nothing spectactular this season, almost a pretty average season. why are you so high on him?John Manuel: I saw Dewitt in high school at a Perfect Game event and remember coming away unimpressed. It sounds like this is what happens when you see the guy once or twice. If you see him over an extended period, as league managers did, you come away impressed with how he constantly gets better, with how he makes adjustments, with how he competes and doesnt' give at-bats away . . . he's a baseball player with tools, and his best tool is the game's most important tool, the bat. He's going to hit. That's why I'm high on him.
To put that quote into perspective. In 2005 Travis Denker was 19 and played 2nd base. Blake DeWitt was 19 and played 3rd base. Denker had a .973 OPS over 200 points higher then DeWitt and yet Denker was left off the top 20 list. The reasons were his defense and his size. Meaning he was to lousy at defense to remain at 2nd and to small to become an outfielder because his athletic skills were limited. In the end they were right on Denker as he topped out as a AAA player with no position. How DeWitt ends up is still up in the air. Maybe he goes no higher then Denker did but my expectations are that DeWitt will either be a starting major leaguer player or at worse a utility player.
Upto to now you could say they had not made any glaring omission but that would all change in 2004 when a plethora of Columbus Catfish players made the top 20 list but the best player of them all was neglected. It would start a run of several years of no respect for this player and continues to this day based on a column written earlier this week.
2004 - Number Six - Chuck Tiffany
Number Nine - Andy LaRoche
Number Nineteen - Chin-Lung Hu
From the 2004 Chat:
Bobby from Colombus asks: Hey John, any consideration for OF Matt Kemp on the Top 20 list? I thought that the Columbus staff was full of prospects.
A: John Manuel: Columbus was full of prospects. Frankly, I could have done a Top 10 just on Columbus. I'd go Tiffany, LaRoche, Hu, Milons, X. Paul, Kemp (that's a tough call between those guys), Pimentel, Marcos Carvajal, Mike Nixon and Tony (Etanislau) Abreu. Really, you could go deeper. Quite an assemblage of talent.
That assembly of talent as a group has not done much so far. Tiffany blew his arm out, LaRoche is trying to become a mediocre 3rd baseman, Hu is trying to become Juan Castro, Milons was traded and is done, X Paul still has a shot as a major league outfielder, maybe at worse a platoon player, Pimentel-Carvajal-Nixon are all gone. Abreu wil try to be the Arizona starting 2nd baseman next year. This group is all about Matt Kemp and they ignored him. Back in 2004 the scouts all ignored his skills. Called his home runs a product of his home park, said he couldn't play center field, said his swing was long, said his speed will disappear as he got older and bigger. Man they missed this one, so if they miss one of your favorites today, just remember what they thought of Matt Kemp five years ago.
Here are the statistics for that 2004 Columbus team.
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They also missed on Dustin Pedroia
another guy scouts were never big on.
Q: Bill from Norwood,MA asks:
Hi John, would Pedroia have made the list with enough at- bats and what do you think of Mickey Hall? Thanks.
A:
John Manuel: Pedroia would have been a tough call, Bill. He’s a unique player. He might have been fun to put at 20. I think he’ll be a big leaguer, maybe even a regular, because he doesn’t seem like he’ll accept anything less. Amazing makeup, great hands and hand-eye coordination helps him overcome several other tools where he comes up short. He’s not Eckstein II because he doesn’t run like Eckstein and has a little more power in his bat . . . Some scouts I talked to came around on him this year and liked him better because his desire and ability to make consistent, hard contact can’t be overlooked. He’s definitely not the typical prospect, though. Hall is much more typical . . . good raw power potential and athletic ability, runs well, good swing mechanics. His main issue is breaking ball recognition, and some guys never get that.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 10 Dodger Prospects in 2005
which would be the year after they rated the 2004 prospects:
1. Joel Guzman, ss
2. Chad Billingsley, rhp
3. Edwin Jackson, rhp
4. James Loney, 1b
5. Andy LaRoche, 3b
6. Russell Martin, c
7. Greg Miller, lhp
8. Blake DeWitt, 3b
9. Jonathan Broxton, rhp
10. Chuck Tiffany, lhp
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 10 Dodger Prospects in 2006
1. Chad Billingsley, rhp
1. Chad Billingsley
2. Andy LaRoche, 3b
3. Joel Guzman, ss/3b
4. Russell Martin, c
5. Jonathan Broxton, rhp
6. Scott Elbert, lhp
7. Blake DeWitt, 3b
8. Matt Kemp, of
9. Etanislao Abreu, 2b
10. Chin-Lung Hu, ss
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 10 Dodger Prospects in 2007
1. Andy LaRoche, 3b
1. Andy LaRoche
2. Clayton Kershaw, lhp
3. Scott Elbert, lhp
4. James Loney, 1b/of
5. Etanislao Abreu, 2b
6. Ivan DeJesus Jr., ss
7. Jonathan Meloan, rhp
8. Blake DeWitt, 2b/3b
9. Josh Bell, 3b
10. Preston Mattingly, ss
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 10 Dodger Prospects in 2008
1. Clayton, Kershaw, lhp
2. Andy LaRoche, 3b
3. Chin-Lung Hu, ss
4. Scott Elbert, lhp
5. Blake DeWitt, 3b
6. Chris Withrow, rhp
7. James McDonald, rhp
8. Jonathan Meloan, rhp
9. Delwyn Young, of
10. Pedro Baez, 3b
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 10 Dodger Prospects in 2009
1. Andrew Lambo, of
2. James McDonald, rhp
3. Ethan Martin, rhp
4. Josh Lindblom, rhp
5. Scott Elbert, lhp
6. Ivan DeJesus Jr., ss
7. Devaris Gordon, ss
8. Josh Bell, 3b
9. Chris Withrow, rhp
10. Nathan Eovaldi, rhp
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am saddened to see Bell, because now he’s gone :(
If he had been in the system for 2010, I’m betting he would have been the 2nd or 3rd best positional prospect we’ve got. I know he was 4th here, but I think it would have been something like this:
1. Scott Elbert
2. Chris Withrow
3. Dee Gordon
4. Ethan Martin
5. Josh Bell
6. Ivan Dejsus
7. Andrew Lambo
8. Josh Lindblom
9. Nathan Eovaldi
10. Aaron Miller/Garret Gould
Of course, this list could be affected by it being 4:21 AM and me falling asleep right now, who knows, lol.
by Ivdown on Oct 7, 2009 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kemp
I wasn’t exatly following prospects back then (frankly this year is the most I’ve ever thanks to your work Phil) so I’m wondering what Kemp was like at the time. I now view Kemp as a perfect athlete. He’s big and fast and there is no awkwardness playing within his size. He is very graceful. I’m wondering how he looked back in 04. Was his athleticism that impressive then? I imagine it might have been considering he could have played collegiate basketball if he wished.
by Michael White on Oct 1, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he was voted the best Athlete by BA
in 2005 for the organization. As I said, they just didn’t think he’d be more then a fourth outfielder because of his baseball skils. I know that for a fact because that was the first time I went to the AFL and even though Kemp was one of the youngest and best player in the league all I heard was detractors. They were all in love with Lasting Milledge, Brandon Wood, Alex Gordon, Stephen Drew but Kemp rarely got praise. It boggled me at the time. I went there for a fantasy camp sponsored by Baseball HQ and no one was thinking of Kemp as a keeper. I’m going to do a complete story on how the scouts missed on all those “can’t miss” prospects and left Kemp on the outside if I can dig up my old scouting notes from then.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it either
It must’ve been back around the 2005 deadline when I first heard of Kemp by way of a bunch of DT commenters posting him on the DO NOT TRADE list.
What is it about the scouts? Is it an old-school mindset that is biased against who was perceived a “basketball player settling for baseball?” Kemp is the best athlete I’ve seen on the diamond since Bo Jackson, but at least Kemp can lay off a slider down and away and play centerfield.
by ishXdavid on Oct 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scouts earn their living
based on experience, and Kemp is the rare case of a pure athlete who came to baseball late and blossomed. Most of the time, players like that don’t make it. Scouts are human and make mistakes, erring on the side of what they’ve seen before.
by LA Taco on Oct 1, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scouts whiffed big time on that AFL team
with Gordon/Wood/Milledge/Drew all being slobbered over while Kemp has done more then the four combined. Also that fall James Shields was a nobody for the Rays who was getting everyone out. Scouts said he had nothing and would be lucky to make a rotation on a bad team. It was not a good fall league for scouts. They were also unimpressed with on Andre Ethier.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
I just dug this up at BA. Seems that Xavier Paul is playing the Instructional League just in case he’s needed this fall.
Dodgers manager Jeff Carter added, “A lot of these guys aren’t used to playing this much baseball, so it’s just enough to get a look without wearing them down.”
Dodgers outfielder Xavier Paul , who spent the last two seasons in Triple-A plus a few games in the big leagues, is an exception to the normal experience level in the AIL. Paul was also seeing time in the regular Instructional League.
“We’re trying to keep him sharp and get (him) some quality at-bats,” said Watson, “in case there’s a need at the major league level. If there’s a need for someone off the bench in the majors with some speed or an outfielder, he’ll be sharp enough to go up and contribute.”
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We could have used him yesterday
Ethier clearly could have used a rest and the idea of having Pierre as the replacement (which forces Kemp to RF) isn’t as appealing as being able to just plug in Paul in RF (IMO.)
by Michael White on Oct 1, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said we needed a RHP outfielder in Sept
and not Jason Repko.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy tamale
dee gordon #2
I’d forgotten about aaron hicks he sounds like a stud
by hirambocachica on Oct 1, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha, you were the guy who told me
he wouldn’t make two and that Decker would.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im very happy now haha
i hate the madres prospects
by hirambocachica on Oct 1, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprised Miller wasn't on
I would think he would get the nod over Russell, but I guess Miller didn’t pitch enough games/innings..
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 1, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How about reprinting the write-ups on Gordon, Martin, and Russell Here?
In the comments? A lot of words are missing from the sides.
by CanuckDodger on Oct 1, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I modified the quote’s above and took out the BA HTML table’s so they should be easier to read. But just in case:
2.Dee Gordon, ss, Great Lakes (Dodgers)
Age: 21. B-T: L-R. Ht.: 5-11. Wt.: 150. Drafted: Seminole (Fla.) CC, 2008 (4).
A transcript mixup left Gordon ineligible to play in the spring before the 2008 draft, but the Dodgers learned about him because his father Tom, the big league all-star, tipped off Los Angeles farm director DeJon Watson, a former teammate in the Royals system. Smaller but just as athletic as Hicks, Gordon is still raw yet hit .301 in his first full season and stole a league-high 73 bases.
“He’s just touching what he can do,” South Bend manager Mark Haley said. “He’s got a lot more in the tank. He’s just learning to play the game.”
Gordon crowds the plate and is a free swinger, but he consistently barrels balls and drills liners to the opposite field. He’s working on drawing walks and bunting so he can get on base more to take advantage of his top-of-the-line speed. He’s still learning to steal bases after topping the minors by getting caught 25 times. More than a slap hitter, he should have decent pop once he gets stronger.
A defensive work in progress as well, Gordon led MWL shortstop with 34 errors. He needs to charge more balls and keep his elbow up on his throws. With good actions, plus range and a solid arm, he has the tools to stay at shortstop, and it’s also easy to envision him as an above-average defender in center field.
10. Ethan Martin, rhp, Great Lakes (Dodgers)
Age: 20. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-2. Wt.: 195. Drafted: Hs—Toccoa, Ga., 2008 (1).
The first high school pitcher drafted in 2008, Martin tweaked his knee during a postdraft minicamp, delaying his pro debut until this spring. He has an electric arm but is still figuring out how to use it, no surprise considering that he was more highly regarded as a third baseman until his senior season.
Martin has an explosive 93-95 mph fastball that touches 97. His heater features good sink at times and cuts in on lefties at others, though it also flattens out on him. He’ll spin some hard, nasty curveballs, though he struggles to throw his breaking ball for strikes. His changeup is less refined, and his long arm action in back has some scouts wondering if he’s destined to be a power reliever.
17.Kyle Russell, of, Great Lakes (Dodgers)
Age: 23. B-T: L-L. Ht.: 6-5. Wt.: 195. Drafted: Texas, 2008 (3).
Russell shared MVP honors with Gordon after leading the league in homers (26), RBIs (102), extra-base hits (72) and slugging (.545). He also paced the MWL with 180 strikeouts, the second-highest total in the minors.
In other words, he was the same old Kyle Russell. In high school and while setting home run records at the University of Texas, he always was a streaky boom-or-bust hitter. He has the size, strength and leverage to drive balls great distances, but he also has a long stroke, a pull-conscious approach and little discipline. He’ll draw walks but won’t tone down his swing with two strikes.
Russell isn’t a one-dimensional player however. He has good speed and athleticism for his size, and he plays a solid right field with a plus arm. Gabella compared him to Russell Branyan, and scouts who saw him in the MWL gave him a chance to be a platoon player or a regular in the majors.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find Eovaldi's omission to be disgusting
A 19-year-old with a tremendous fastball and low ERA isn’t better than a 23-year-old college OF who struck out a bazillion times in low-A?
Stupid.
by silverwidow on Oct 1, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone here loves to throw out the FIP
and Nathan’s FIP was much higher then his ERA. I did ask what they thought of him so you might get an answer today. Maybe he throws a straight fastball or they just don’t think his arm can handle the rotation. If they only think of him as a relief pitcher you can understand why he’s not on the list.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me stupid, but I don’t think a hitter that strikes out a lot is quite as bad as it’s been perceived in the past. Lots of great players strike out a ton, and it’s not like everyone can be like Joe Dimaggio or Albert Pujols, who is the modern day equivalent of Joe D in reguards to strike outs with such offensive talent.
by Ivdown on Oct 7, 2009 4:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course some of us actually pay for the BA subscription
So we get to see everything. :)
by bhsportsguy on Oct 1, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What does Gordon's emergence
mean for Ivan DeJesus Jr.?
by LA Taco on Oct 1, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That the Dodgers will have two sons of major leaguers in their middle infield in 2012? :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 1, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you too see K. Goldstein's quick look at the 2008 draft
I think it was on Monday. Fortunately, Ethan Martin was not on that list.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 1, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably nothing right now
DeJesus has lot more things to worry about then a guy in A ball.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 1, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It means
I have a different top positional prospect.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Dodger Question
Brad (MO): Does Dee Gordon’s lack of polish turn off any scouts? For a player that has been around major league baseball his whole life do you have to question his mental makeup when he is still very raw at 21?
Jim Callis: Not at all. He doesn’t have the baseball background you might think, despite being the son of longtime big leaguer Tom Gordon. Dee played no organized ball until he was a senior in high school, and he didn’t play at all before the draft in 2008 because of a transcript snafu at Seminole (Fla.) CC. He had only two springs of baseball under his belt before he signed, and scouts recognize that. He’s raw for a 21-year-old but not raw for his experience, if you get my meaning. Even if he can’t hack it at shortstop, there’s no reason he can’t be a dynamic center fielder.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the ranking of gordon is very impressive
ahead of 7 first rounders of the past two drafts not counting studs like crosby and castro
by hirambocachica on Oct 1, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll love this quote from Callis
Fred (Ohio): How good is Jaff Decker? He seems to have all of the necessary tools to become a really good major league hitter.
Jim Callis: Decker was another tough one to figure out. As a hitter, he’s right there with Vitters and Lawrie, and he’s the only lefty of the group. But while those two have most of their value in their bats, Decker has all of his value in his bat. As I wrote, one scout joked that Decker’s speed rated a minus-10 on the 20-80 scale. He’s only 19 and has a bad body, and it’s going to get worse as he gets older. He lives in the same city (Peoria, Ariz.) as the Padres’ training complex, yet he still couldn’t get himself into shape.
Decker sounds like Cory Dunlap of you remember him.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha yeah the guy retired or something like that
patient hitter
hate the padres but I admit is what they need in that joke of park an on base machine
to bad he is fat
by hirambocachica on Oct 1, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bhsportsguy (los angeles): Every league has some sort of bias, is the Midwest League’s a hitters or pitchers league and what is a good way to gauge the age appropriateness of your team’s prospects (is 20 too young, etc.)
Jim Callis: It’s definitely a pitcher’s league and has played that way for years. For ages, 20 is the dividing line between being old or young for the MWL.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I just wanted to see my name in the chat.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 1, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don (Rosemont, IL): Would it be fair to compare Kyle Russell’s bat to someone like Russell Branyan? Is Russell’s power enough to make up for all of the strikeouts?
Jim Callis: Very fair. In fact, I quoted Burlington manager Jim Gabella doing just that in the report on Russell.
Jon (Peoria): Were there any catching prospects that stood out? What was the assessment of Tony Delmonico as a catcher?
Jim Callis: No catcher was close to making the Top 20 list. Delmonico was probably the best catching prospect in the league, but he still has a long way to go defensively after making the transition from second base.
I’ve been comparing Russell to Branyan all year.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I miss the days of
John from Woodland Hills and Phil from Chatsworth asking BA chat questions.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 1, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a specific question in mind
But I assume you’ve asked about Eovaldi’s ommision from the list?
by Michael White on Oct 1, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
So far I’ve been shutout but I asked about Aaron Miller, Eovaldi, Delmonico, Redding, and Sands.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little surprised
he hasn’t answered a question about Miller because of how well he did in limited innings or of Eovaldi because of his age.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll assume these are not from TrueBlueLA
David Bowen (Brushton, New York): Aaron Miller seemed to do very well in two different leagues and yet, did not make any of the top 20 lists. I am assuming that he did not have enough experience. If he did, where would he rank?
Jim Callis: Miller just didn’t pitch enough to qualify. If he had he would have been in the 11-20 mix. He’s still figuring some things out, understandable because he was more of an outfielder at Baylor, but he’s a lefthander with a 91-94 mph fastball and a hard slider. I’d take him over Pedro Figueroa.
Jared (LA): How close was Nathan Eovaldi to making the list?
Jim Callis: He wasn’t one of the last guys lopped off the Top 20, but everyone recognized his arm strength. He hit 98 mph, but he has less breaking ball and less polish than Martin. Definitely a guy to keep an eye on.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
98 mph
wohoho broxton jr to the rescue
by hirambocachica on Oct 1, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he wasn't sitting at 98 at all
touching is nice to get people excited, but it’s not like he was around 97 all game or something. :o
by kensai on Oct 2, 2009 4:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the Miller question answered
That means we could have had 4 players make the top 20 list which is very good. Better then we have done since 2004 but I’ll go back to 2002 when the Logan White era started to see how we did in 2002/2003.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A quick glance shows that so much in Low A ball in 2002-2003
At 2002 and 2003, the problem is that the Dodgers had guys who in 2002 primarily played in Pioneer League (Rookie Ball) where 7 out of 20 were Dodger prospects, the Sally league had 2 Dodgers at 11 and 16 (Edwin Jackson and Victor Diaz).
In 2003, Delwyn Young was the only Dodger (16) in the top 20 for the Sally League, Dodgers had 3 in the top 7 in the Florida State League (Greg Miller, Franklin Gutierrez and Loney), it was again stocked in the Pioneer League, the Dodgers had 5 players, 3 are still here in Billingsley, Paul and Hu.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 1, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chat is over
They did a good job of answering the questions we had interest in.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cal League should be boring compared to the Loon league.
I’d expect only Withrow and Robinson to get some traction there. Withrow could be one of the top players in that league. Or at least he should be but I’m going to be very curious how they grade Trayvon Robinson’s breakout season.
by meercatjohn on Oct 1, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So for next year
You expect everyone to go to A+ with the exception of Russel?
by Michael White on Oct 1, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
keith law chat
Tell me who you think the Dodgers might target this winter to throw in the mix with Kershaw, Billingsley, Mcdonald, Kuroda? We could use an ace? Lackey via free agency or maybe a trade?
Klaw (2:07 PM)
If Kershaw isn’t an ace, who is? He’ll be a top five starter in the NL next year.
by hirambocachica on Oct 1, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Dee Gordon, fulfill my needs!
by kensai on Oct 2, 2009 4:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Loons
Hey guys I’m a season ticket holder and I’ve watched them every game at home. Here’s what I’ve seen in person.
Dee Gordon started as just an average player but as the year has gone on he carried the Loons. He may be a raw player but he is electric on the basepaths and is a natural. He slowly went form a slap hitting bunter to drawing more counts a hitting with more power. Now he’s obviously not a power hitter but he started hitting gappers the second half.
Ethan Martin and Nathan Eovaldi shared alot of starts (one would pitch 3-4 innings the other would take over). I have a hard time believing you could pick one at #10 and the other not making the list. I think Eovaldi is the better pitcher. I also think he’ll be a reliever. Both are hard throwers with so-so command. Both can come unglued and lose focus. Both can aboslutly dominate when they are on. Neither one is as good as Kershaw.
Kyle Russell strikes out alot but he also has more power than anyone I’ve seen in the Midwest League in the last three years. He’s also very athletic and a good fielder with a good arm. He will make it to the majors and be an everyday player. He’ll get K’s but he take pitches, draws walks, and crushes the ball.
From everyone I’ve seen Casey Crosby is a head above.
by Emcobra on Oct 2, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Thanks for the first-hand account. This was awesome!
by Eric Stephen on Oct 2, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for joining
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Check out our Review of the Loons in 2009 and let us know what you thought of it.
by meercatjohn on Oct 2, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve gotta believe it’s Martin’s ability to get a ton of strikeouts which gives him higher value than Eovaldi. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m going to be tracking both next year in the minors equally. I wonder if they will bring the tag-team to a higher level, haha.
by Ivdown on Oct 7, 2009 4:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great site
Awesome insight in the 09 Loons post. I’d agree with almost everything, no sure about Boothe he’d have to make big strides in the strike zone.
by Emcobra on Oct 6, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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