Hiroki Kuroda Out For NLDS
Phil Gurnee is at the park tonight, and he just reported that Hiroki Kuroda is out for the first round of the playoffs. Joe Torre announced that "Kuroda has a small herniation of his cervical spine," but no surgery will be needed.
With Kuroda out of the NLDS, I am guessing the starting rotation will be Randy Wolf, Clayton Kershaw, Chad Billingsley, then Jon Garland. Ben Maller reported that Joe Torre did in fact say Garland would take Kuroda's spot in the rotation. However, conflicting information comes from Ken Gurnick of MLB.com, who reported that Billingsley, Garland, and Vicente Padilla are all in the running to start in the playoffs, but "no decision on who joins Randy Wolf and Clayton Kershaw will be made until an opponent is determined." (thanks to El Lay Dave for that link)
Padilla has been announced as the starter for Sunday's regular season finale.
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Rules Question
If we want him for the 2nd round, does he have to be on the playoff roster for the 1st round as well?
Garland or Billingsley not exactly and ideal choice
"If your season is going well, you have walked into an ambush."
Brutal setback, especially considering how well Kuroda pitched in the playoffs last year.
What if Game 4 was a must-win, would you still throw Garland out there? I’d be inclined to go with the Game 1 started again in Game 4 if it is a must-win.
You wanna know how great baseball is? The greatest basketball player ever left his sport to play baseball.
*Game 1 starter…
You wanna know how great baseball is? The greatest basketball player ever left his sport to play baseball.
Unlikely, although possible. With the schedule, Wolf could pitch game 4 on short rest, and Kershaw game 5 on full rest.
But let’s burn that bridge when we get to it.
Wouldn't you throw out Padilla before Garland at this point?
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Yeah I’m not expecting the Dodgers to be on the brink of elimination for Game 4… I just don’t like the thought of Garland starting in a high-pressure situation.
You wanna know how great baseball is? The greatest basketball player ever left his sport to play baseball.
as it should be
With Kuroda out of the NLDS, I am guessing the starting rotation will be Randy Wolf, Clayton Kershaw, Chad Billingsley, then Jon Garland.
a better question
is why there aren’t more injuries like this. throwing a baseball over 90 mph is a really odd thing to do to your body.
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point. Too bad it wasn’t just a sore neck, I could see just a sore neck getting better in a few days. But now knowing what it is who knows if he’ll even be ready at all during the playoffs if the Dodgers do advance.
it's a pretty nasty area to injure
i’d guess the average gangbanger in a wheelchair can often thank their cervical spine for their fate
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking it will be some sort of Bills-Garland-Padilla Mixed Salad.
If Kuroda’s not 100%, they want another guy on the roster.
Are you talking about Game 3
If they all pitch in Game 3, who starts game 4? You have to at least begin the series with the idea of four starters.
and Kershaw too
I doubt he’d start game 4 if he starts game 2, but he could relieve (assuming he doesn’t pitch day 1, which I think he should).
For those of us who are not MDs
What the hell is that.
Doesn’t sound good. No injury with the word “spine” sounds good.
there are eight small vertebrae
that link the spine to the skull, with the lower ones corresponding with the extremities (hands and feet). image google ‘cervical spine’.
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a hell of a stiff neck
Is there some neck version of Cialis he took? For neck stiffness lasting more than four days, consult a physician.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
No, Manny's injury would be more like
“Ramirez has a small herniation of his cervix-al spine”
Due to loss of hormones
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
My pony isn't only slow...
….it’s dumb.
GL, I gotta bug out and will miss game threads everywhere tonight (visiting wife at hospital, then DJing at a club).
At least wifey and I will watch first hour of game together.
But GL, hope it’s a thriller of a game, and that we win at least the first two, to make Sunday a whole boatload of epic.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Thanks, it's been a long haul
102 days in ICU and counting, but she’s improving daily, at this point.
It’s odd how emotions flow. Right now, what pisses her off the most is she can’t go to next week’s home playoff games. Because she’s a Rox fan, too. ;-)
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Wow - glad to hear it's heading in the right direction. She must be tough!
Then you have a marriage made in baseball heaven. My wife is my companion to Dodger games, so I’m lucky that way too.
If this was Billingsley
There’d be crowing about his not gutting it out.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
by mleadman on Oct 2, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
the post-liner silence is deafening
he could be an amputee at this point, we wouldn’t know
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard question to answer
Since we don’t know who is actually on/off the roster yet anyway; that was all pure speculation anyway. Maybe between Garland and Padilla only one was going to make it and now both will. Maybe only one makes it and, if we end up with Philly, Torre adds Elbert as an extra LHP for them.
Well, it means nothing re the weekend series
Hope he recovers…it does sound a bit serious
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Which doesn't mean much
But luckily (or should I say Nedily), we took out that insurance policy and it looks like this won’t mean too much either.
I know Kuroda’s a better pitcher, but he’s 34 and Garland’s 30. Garland is more likely to outperform his stats.
however, he was awesome in the postseason last year
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=kurodhi01&t=p&year=0&post=1
really the only bright spot vs philly. bummer, hope he heals well.
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
interesting test
for the near-religious fixation on the 4-man rotation, especially if wolf is excellent and keeps the pitch count in the 80s.
If Wolf is game 1 starter, he is the game 5 starter
It would be Kersh who would get the extra game with a 3 man.
That makes sense to me. Wolf – Garland for G4 sounds better than Garland – Padilla.
The way the schedule breaks is interesting. If needed, the game 1 starter could pitch on 3 days rest, and have the game 2 starter pitch game 5 on full rest.
Wed
Thu
Sat
Sun
Tue
Obviously it would depend on how the series played out, but the trade off would be the cost of [regular Wolf vs. 3 days rest Wolf] and the benefit of [Kershaw > Garland]
I'de go with 3 days for Kersh.
and have Wolf #2, I don’t want to mess up Mr. Consistency with 3 days rest.
But I guess the die is cast, unless he pitches Kersh in relief tonight and has someone else start tomorow.
Why would he keep the pitch count in the 80's?
If Wolf is cruising, they won’t pull him that early.
by Michael White on Oct 2, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
you're probably right
joe has let him go past 110 more than once this year. i guess this is one of many reasons the 3-man has gone the way of the dodo…
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
oh this is fucking terrible....
my computer screen litterally went black when i saw this (no joke), then came back on…
now were going to have to use padilla or garland for no 4…bleeeeh!
or use a 3 pitcher rotation…
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
Interestingly enough
The concern with the herniation of the cervical spine is not the neck pain, though the treatment is to reduce the pain, first by anti-inflamatories, but in fact that the herniation can cause arm weakness since the nerve that is pinched runs down the entire arm.
But again I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV
right
you can light up every square inch of the body like a christmas tree just by messing with a couple of square inches there.
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And it is a spontaneous injury
It can happen easily from sleeping wrong or a sudden movement. Primarily between adults 30-50
Yeah, but it sounds like it happened to him before the Pirates
There really is no other logical explaination to the PIrates getting so many runs.
i dont like the idea of garland in this rotation...
yes hes got experience with the postseason
but really he has not pitched that great at all this season
he gives up a ton of hits and has struggled against mediocre teams (padres, pirates)
but i guess weve got no choice at this point cause kuroda is done for the NLDS
this sucks…
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
Sounds like they pump him full of meds and hope for the best
This could be further than the NLDS.
The only good part of what I read was the part about epidural injections. Just inject his spine till he’s ready to go against Phillie.
From the Dodger Thoughts comments:
FWIW, Padilla will start Sunday.
Posted by: Alex41592 | October 02, 2009 at 05:06 PM
and a week from sunday as well?
i guess that will be an audition for the 4-spot… yikes
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
From Gurnick’s blog:
Torre said Vicente Padilla will start Sunday’s regular-season finale and will be considered for the starting rotation for the first round of playoffs. He said Chad Billingsley and Jon Garland remain in the mix for the four starters and no decision on who joins Randy Wolf and Clayton Kershaw will be made until an opponent is determined.
Hmmm
Sounds like Padilla is just Sunday filler and Joe is going to use whoever has the better numbers for games 3 and 4.
Okay time for a celebration
The press clubs seems to have more visiting team media so my blog spot was taken over, so I stole a Visiting Press spot. We shall see if I get to keep it. There was three open spots and now there are zero.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The spot in the press box (front row, all the way to the left by the cameras) used to be marked “Dodgers blog spot” on a piece of paper that was heavily taped down. That only indicated where we sat. There are various open spots (well, a few) that are available too.
We get in with a daily credential.
Ok. I guess my question is, are you still gauranteed a seat in the press box? Or is it first come first serve? What is the SOP now vs before?
vr, Xei
Almost all of the spots are marked. LA Times, Press Enterprise, Daily News all have spots. Ken & Josh are in the second row behind where we sit. Visiting team has a few spots in the first ro, kind of next to the bog spot. There are marked locations for 710 ESPN, KNBC, MLB.com, and a bunch of others too.
If I had to guess, I would say there are about 50-60 seats in the press box, and probably 45 are marked. Rough estimate.
Today sounds like the first game it was a problem. I did the Sunday game on September 20 and even though my spot wasn’t marked it was fine because nobody was there.
I figure I will be fine on Sunday even if it is crowded because I always get there right at 9am (when th credentials are delivered to the security gate) so I’ll be able to claim my spot.
It was gone with a notebook
since there is no denoation anymore it is pretty much open territory.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If we are winning by ninth
I’m leaving the press box and headed to the field seats. I’ll be damned if I’ll sit on my hands when Andre hits a division winning walk off.
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of course...
if we’re winning in the 9th it won’t be a walkoff…
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Oct 2, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Where have you been? :)
Rockies
Gonzalez LF
Fowler CF
Helton 1B
Tulo SS
Atkins 3B
Torrealba C
Spliborghs RF
Barmes 2B
Ubaldo P
Dodgers
Furcal SS
Ethier RF
Manny LF
Kemp CF
Loney 1B
Blake 3B
Martin C
Hudson 2B
Wolf P
The Torre
pre game interview was subdued and crowded and I heard a lot of jumbled answers to questions. Several minutes into the interview he stopped and met with Josh and then came back with the Kuroda news. He had already announced that Padilla would start on Sunday but I missed that and was unable to follow up since I didn’t know it until after the conference was over.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I expect that to be the playoff lineup.
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I come home to read this?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO <——- This is before I read the alternatives, which I will read now.
in happier news
florida is up 4-2 over fat joe, who has pitched 105 in 6…
the cards are winning.
looks like the twinkies are 90% likely to cut the tigres down to 1.
yesss go fish!!
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
Is it just me
or is it completely bad ass that you guys get credentialed? Free Dodgers games in perpetuity…
"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill
You mean you won't get access come playoff time?
Too much other media?
"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill
Yep…too much other media, and MLB controls the credentialing for the playoffs, instead of the Dodgers. Dodgers are more open to it, but it’s out of their hands (although they might like that MLB can play bad cop in this case).
During the season, it’s free publicity for the team because if a press box spot would be empty anyway, why not fill it with someone who cares enough to write about them. I applaud them for doing so (and not just for selfish reasons).
True, true.
But still, how validating to the whole site.
"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill
I almost slipped up when Kemp hit the 8th inning HR against the Astros to put them up 4-3.
And in my first game, against the Angels, I actually cheered after one of the Dodger hits. It was involuntary. Nobody said anything (it was a quick clap and a “yeah!”) though.
Only 3 - 0
but I’m putting it all on the line tonight.
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Torre said Kuroda felt the pain in his neck when he was jogging the other day. After the Pittsburgh start.
That was a bad road trip all around
Pain in neck while jobbing is code for “that was a position I’d never tried before and don’t think I’ll try again”
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if we play the phiillliesin the first round.... kuroda willl be missed BIG TIME
but if we play the cardinals i think we can live without him for the first round…
We will miss a healthy Kuroda
if that means Garland or Padilla get a start. No way to sugar coat it, losing Kuroda hurts when you look at the alternatives.
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Kuroda's Neck
I have had similar trouble with my neck in the past, and it is really painful. I tried everything, anti-inflammatories, muscle relaxers, pain killers, even steroids – nothing worked.
What works? Traction. I got a contraption that hangs from the top of a door, puts your head in a sling and hangs weight off the other end of a pulley – pulling your head away from your shoulders. Spinal decompression, it is sometimes called. That works, and fast. Yet most doctors don’t seem to know about it.
I hope the Dodgers training staff knows about this.
Thome had him by the ankles and was shaking him around
that is the low budget fix.
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i do this for a friend
who wrecked her neck as a kid by playing too much violin – basically pull the head straight off of the shoulders. odd, but it works.
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Even though the Padres got a decent return for Peavy I’m glad he’s out of the NL West.
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Garland as our 4th starter
Not too estastic on that. The news on Hiro really bummed me out. Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Anyway, he’ll have to make due, even if we make it game 4. I kinda want a 3 man system at this point, but increasing Kershaw’s innings just flat out scares me.
It's not the worst thing in the world if he's facing another #4
which he will be due to how the series is scheduled.
No surprise
the cyrogentics history is full of bungled bodies. They use to have a place in Chatsworth, one of the hottest places in California, It was buried into a hill and of course the air conditioning failed and they had no secondary systems because they were running the thing on a shoestring. Needless to say future improvements in the medical world are not going to be bringing those people back to life.
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amazing guy
not just the best hitter of his day, also the best fly-fisher and fighter pilot.
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake if playing and Belliard is available
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I only want Garland starting a game 4 if it's in St. Louis
or at home. I’m not sure I want him pitching in Philly, he can’t strike anyone out and not sure I’m ecstatic about that in that park.
Tommy Lasorda to 10 moments
10. HOF speech
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3. Bevaqua
And I guaran-fucking-tee you this, when I pitched and I was gonna pitch against a fucking team that had guys on it like Bevacqua, I’d send a fucking limosine to get the fucking to make sure he was in the motherfucking lineup because I’d kick that fucker’s ass any fucking day of the week. He’s a fucking motherfucking bigmouth, I’ll tell you that.
I wish one of our guys could go on 3 days rest
Wolf?
B/c if so – the game 2 starter could pitch game 5 on full rest, enabling us to use only 3 starters.
They are getting all their frustrations out in one game
I laugh when I keep hearing low market teams can’t compete with the Yankee’s with the Rays only one year removed from the World Series and the expecations they can fight the Beasts of the East over the next few years.
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PIERRE WINS FOURTH ANNUAL
ROY CAMPANELLA AWARD
Outfielder voted "Most Inspirational Dodger" by his teammates and coaches
LOS ANGELES – The Los Angeles Dodgers announced today that outfielder Juan Pierre was named the winner of the fourth annual Roy Campanella Award, which is given to the Dodger player who best exemplifies the spirit and leadership of the late Hall of Fame catcher. The award, which was voted upon by Dodger uniform personnel, will be presented to Pierre by Campanella’s daughter, Joni Campanella Roan during a pregame ceremony prior to tomorrow night’s contest against the Colorado Rockies. Dodger shortstop Rafael Furcal received the inaugural award in 2006, Dodger catcher Russell Martin won it in 2007, and first baseman James Loney took home the honor last season.
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This really says something for Juan
given that ii is a vote of his peers. Felt that Hudson was a lock for it this year.
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yeahhh
he was the leader… then something wierd happened… and i still dont understand..
Kind of like his peers calling BS
on that whole he’s a whiner thing everyone was giving him hell for last year.
Juan has been an incredible player this year within his role as #4 Outfielder.
i would have gaave it to billingsley
or kuroda
Inspired by the comments today
tonight’s beers of choice for me at both by New Belgium brewery (makers of Fat Tire):
Having the seasonal “Hoptober” right now for the first time, and will have Mothership Wit later as well.
Hey Garret Gould
is getting introduced before the game.
Looks good in a Dodger hat.
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Lyons is speculating that Chad may not make the postseason roster
because Padlla is starting Sunday.
The man is a buffoon.
If our playoff rotation is
Wolf, Kershaw, Padilla, and Garland – I’m not watching
Maybe he is just being dramatic
he’s not that dumb, then he can say the guy who “almost didn’t make the post-season roster pitched a perfect game”
Okay, that was the longest National Anthem of the year
confirmed by Plashke
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they actually do a prop bet on the superbowl NA length on bodog
a little tasteless IMO
by stillnotah8er on Oct 2, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Time for Tommy Congratulations
Bowa, Honeycut, the Mayor, Wills, King, Garvey(talking for a long time),
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No cheering in the press box
nice ovation from fans
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