Super Two Boo Hoo
by bhsportsguy on Oct 26, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
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Per a tweet by John Perrotto of Baseball Prospectus, he states that the Super Two cut off for the upcoming season will be 2 years and 139 days. Unlike last year, the Dodgers do not have any candidates for Super Two (last year both Russell Martin and Andre Ethier were Super Two and thus got an additional year of arbitration eligible contract status). This year, it affects two of the Dodgers fellow NL West teams, Arizona and San Francisco.
For Arizona, this cutoff was good news, if it stands, slugging third baseman, Mark Reynolds, will be oh so close but no luck as his service time sits at 2 years, 138 days. Not only does Reynolds lose the extra year, he loses probably 5-6 million dollars since generally, any raise from the minimum to first arbitration salary is no more than in the mid-three million dollar range (Ryan Howard excepted). So that means that Reynolds would only get a really big check starting in year 5 instead of year 4 so that's not a small deal.
For San Francisco, they have known all year that Tim Lincecum would be a Super Two, there issue will be how much do they offer since Lincecum has a chance to be the "Ryan Howard" for pitchers in terms of a Super Two contract. Also closer Brian Wilson will get a nice raise as a Super Two.
Only Adam Jones and Matt Garza will really take advantage of this status, they are others, Carlos Gomez but the real stars of this class remain the Giants and Jones/Garza.
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Good stuff BH
Per the brief roster overview the other day, here is a list of pre-free agency 40-man roster Dodgers and their service time:
Sherrill 4.147
Broxton 4.020
Ethier 3.153
Martin 3.150
Kuo 3.114
Billingsley 3.110
Repko 3.067
Kemp 3.049
Loney 3.012
Troncoso 1.119
Kershaw 1.105
Wade 1.096
Stults 1.072
DeWitt 1.048
McDonald 1.004
Belisario 1.000
Hu 0.153
Paul 0.151
Heager 0.125
Elbert 0.097
Leach 0.090
Ellis 0.081
Schlichting 0.055
May 0.000
by Eric Stephen on Oct 24, 2009 7:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In other words, they don’t figure to have any Super Two eligibles next season either
by Eric Stephen on Oct 24, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the super two rule
from the MLB collective bargaining agreement with the players association:
In addition, a Player with at least two but less than three years of Major League service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if: (a)he has accumulated at least 86 days of service during the immediately preceding season; and (b) he ranks in the top seventeen percent(17%) (rounded to the nearest whole number) in total service in the class of Players who have at least two but less than three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with at least 86 days of service accumulated during the immediately preceding sea-son. If two or more Players are tied in ranking, ties shall be broken consecutively based on the number of days of service accumulated in each of the immediately preceding seasons. If the Players remain tied, the final tiebreaker will be by lot
by Eric Stephen on Oct 24, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
super two
do players want to be super twos?
do teams what their players to be super twos?
by matthewmafa on Oct 24, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Players Yes
Teams no.
As BH said above, Reynolds is losing a few million bucks by one day. That sucks.
by Michael White on Oct 24, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For instance, not that it matters a lot but if they wait until the middle of the May
Strasberg could have 3.75 years before being eligible for arbitration.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 24, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I realized when I did this
Broxton will be a free agent the year before Ethier, Martin, Kemp, Loney, and Billingsley. Super Two status only gets you the extra year of arbitration eligible status, it doesn’t change your free agent status.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 24, 2009 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I am wrong
But this was Ethier’s 4th year, so shouldn’t he be a Free Agent after the 2011 season? That’s what I thought, but Eric said Ethier was a Dodger until after 2012 as it stands right now. I’m a little confused on that.
by Ivdown on Oct 26, 2009 3:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ethier was a Super Two
after 2008, so he (like Russell Martin) is among the select few of his class (top 17%, in fact) that get a fourth year of arbitration.
Players can’t qualify for free agency until they accumulate six full years of service time. 172 days constitute a full year, even though a full season is 183 days long. Ethier (153 days) and Martin (150) will send 2011 with 19-22 days short of six full years, giving them another season in Dodger blue. So the Dodgers almost got seven full seasons out of them before free agency, albeit at an increase in salary (that extra year of arbitration).
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I thought Brian Wilson had been around forever. Kind of surprised to see he is “only” a Super Two
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum and the upcoming record
The record salary for a Super Two pitcher is shared by Dontrelle Willis (2006) and Cole Hamels (2009, as part of a multi-year contract), at $4.35 million.
Lincecum, whether he wins his 2nd straight CYA or just finishes in the top 3, is sure to blow by that figure this year. He might be more in line to break Jonathan Papelbon’s record for a first-time arb-eligible contract. Papelbon signed for $6.25m in 2009 after three full years of service time.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who is the best cost controlled pitcher in the major leagues right now? Josh Johnson, perhaps?
by silverwidow on Oct 26, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like JJ is arb eligible
I’m really looking for the best 0-2 pitcher in the bigs.
by silverwidow on Oct 26, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s probably between Kershaw, Porcello, Tommy Hanson, or Max Scherzer. David Price has work to do to regain his spot at the table.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Price didn’t make my list, Anderson won’t either.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
although you are right, he probably should.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck of a comeback
after those struggles in April. Natali Feliz?
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi Perez mucks things up again
You would think on could search Baseball Reference for Neftali Feliz just by typing in “neftali,” but there are two MLB results that come up, because Neifi’s middle name is Neftali. Awesome.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anderson had a WHIP of just over 1.00
his last 100 innings…
He is by the the best rookie pitcher this year not named thomas hanson..
when andersons velocity spiked to 94 95 he became DOMINANT…
by matthewmafa on Oct 26, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the names being mentioned
Kershaw
Hanson
Porcello
Price
Anderson
Scherzer
is how I’d list it.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We forgot a big name
Jair Jurrjens
He’s probably the best right now.
by silverwidow on Oct 26, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the luckiest
4.44 x-FIP this year (2.60 ERA)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had a vote, a might pick Garrett Jones, but I think Hanson is a good choice too.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz can win it next year (still eligible). I don’t even think he was the best rookie on his own team in 2009 (Elvis Andrus)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of contracts
I thought this story about new Padres’ GM Jed Hoyer was pretty funny:
http://www.gaslampball.com/2009/10/26/1101537/jed-hoyer-can-negotiate-with
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amazing stat
from today’s LA Times article on Mike Davis.
After walking Mike Davis in Game 1 of the 1988 World Series, Dennis Eckersley made 22 more postseason appearances in his career, and never walked another batter. In his last 24 playoff innings, Eck had 0 walks and 16 strikeouts.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope Broxton
can put together a streak like that. I think walking Mike Davis was a bigger surprise then Gibby’s home run. His walk rates were extra ordinary. In 1989 he gave up less walks then home runs. How many guys have done that who threw over 50 innings?
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing Eck
from 1989-1991:
18 HR
12 unintentional walks
215 K
1.74 ERA
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1989
18.33 SO/BB ratio, holy shit!
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 1989 he gave up less walks then home runs. How many guys have done that who threw over 50 innings?
At least 37, since 1920
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/28xTH
Dan Wheeler walked 9 this year and allowed 11 HR in 57.2 IP.
My favorite was Carlos Silva, who gave up 25 HR and 9 walks in 188.1 IP in 2005. :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but they sucked
Based on the list, only about 10 of those pitchers had what I’d call a great year. That is select company for 90 years of baseball.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances the Giants just sign Lincecum to a long term deal?
They might be a little gun shy because of the question over how long Lincecum can hold up and the debacle of Zito’s contract, but the Giants ownership and management have shown that they really like having a franchise face like Bonds around.
by prosellis on Oct 26, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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