World Series Rematch: A Look Back To 1950
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 1:00 PM PDT
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Even though 2009 brought us closer to the Freeway World Series than ever, both the Dodgers and Angels are now done for the season, watching like the rest of us as the Phillies and Yankees square off in the World Series. This is a rematch of the 1950 Fall Classic, between Casey Stengel's Yankees and the Whiz Kid Phillies. The Phillies, the youngest team in the league, were able to hold off a furious rally by the Brooklyn Dodgers to win their second pennant, and first in 35 seasons.
In 1950, the Dodgers lost to the Cubs on September 18 for their fourth straight defeat, and stood nine games back of the Phillies, in third place, with 17 games left to play. The Dodgers proceeded to win their next seven games, and 12 of the next 15, heading into the final two games at Ebbets Field against Philadelphia down by just two games. The Dodgers, who finished the season with 22 home games in their final 24 contests, won the first game 7-3.
Heading into the final Sunday, a pair of 23-year old 19-game winners faced off on the mound. Don Newcombe started for the Dodgers, who needed to beat future Hall of Famer Robin Roberts to force a three-game playoff. The game was a pitcher's duel, each allowing just one run through nine innings. In the top of the tenth inning, Newcombe allowed to runners to reach base, bringing Dick Sisler to the plate.
1950 was the first year of a young announcer from Fordham, who came to the Dodgers to learn from broadcasting legend Red Barber. Vin Scully, who was just 22 years old that year, remembered the pressure of the 1950 playoff in a broadcast earlier this year.
Sisler launched an opposite field home run off Newcombe to give the Phillies a 4-1 lead. Roberts retired the Dodgers in the 10th inning, giving the Phillies the pennant. Scully recalled that after that home run, he didn't think the pressure and pain of losing could get any bigger than that. Then, as Vin does best, paused for a beat, and added, "then 1951 happened."
1950 was in the middle of the Dodgers' amazing run atop the National League. Over an 11 year period, they either won the pennant or lost on the final day of the season in nine seasons:
| Year | Record | Result |
| 1946 | 96-60 | lost first ever NL playoff to Cardinals |
| 1947 | 94-60 | won NL pennant |
| 1948 | 84-70 | finished 7½ GB of Braves |
| 1949 | 97-57 |
won NL pennant |
| 1950 | 89-65 | lost on final day to Phillies |
| 1951 | 97-60 | lost NL playoff to Giants |
| 1952 | 96-57 | won NL pennant |
| 1953 | 105-49 | won NL pennant |
| 1954 | 92-62 | finished 5 GB of Giants |
| 1955 | 98-55 | won World Series |
| 1956 | 93-61 | won NL pennant |
The Whiz Kid Phillies got swept by the Yankees in 1950, scoring just five runs in four games. I expect the 2009 Phillies will do better than their brethren from 59 years ago, but it still won't be enough. Yankees in six.
Thanks to Suite101.com, Philly.com, and Wikipedia for info
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I am going with the Phillies in this one.
I have often wondered out loud if there was another team besides the Yankees with a better ten year run than those Dodgers? Maybe the Braves recently? I am talking about World Series runs, first and then good seasons second.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
fuck the phillies
i hate seeing the picture of ryan howard and his big nose on the front page of TRUE BLUE LA
by matthewmafa on Oct 26, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Dang, you are pissed.
If I wasn’t a Dodgers fan, I would actually probably be happy for the Phillies. They are a great team, with good management, interesting players, and built the right way. I hope they kick the shit out of the Yankees, who are infinitely dull.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they take the Home Run excitement away from you?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just the way they build their teams is boring to me.
The Phillies actually have a good team while working on a budget. They find players like Victorino, Werth and Ibanez. Same with the Dodgers. If the Yankees were winning because of smart moves, than I would admire that, but they can just buy next years team regardless if last years free agent signings were a bust or not. If they lose to the Phillies, you can bet on them signing Lackey.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
At the same time, think about the fact that they are part of the MLB and the MLB does not have a salary cap. I bet the Dodgers would do the same thing the Yankees would do if they had the resources, just ask the Red Sox.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they could, and they did, would you feel the same about the Dodgers as you do now?
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 26, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way
But the Dodgers will always be in my heart.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they did, I may not be as much of a fan.
My thing is that I root for local teams, but it is getting harder for me to care about the Lakers because they are similar to the Yankees in they just don’t care about spending limits or luxury taxes. It is interesting because the Phillies and Yankees matched up seem like very similar teams. I am not saying I don’t want my team to spend money and sign free agents, but I have an aversion to careless spending. Probably because I am poor and have always been. Maybe when I become wealthy, I will understand it better. I do believe the Yankees hurt baseball more than they help it.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning brings fans, fans bring income
Income brings more resources for winning. Those teams are where they are because they are storied franchises used to winning. “America’s teams” if you will. Let me ask you this: Are you going to cheer more for the Clippers than the Lakers?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I care more about the Clippers.
I don’t have anything against a storied franchise like the Dodgers or Yankees spending money on their team. They should, they are in big markets. But the Yankees are exempt from making mistakes because of their history, marketing machine and success. When the Dodgers make a big money mistake like signing Andruw Jones or Jason Schmidt, they pay for it. They stop offering multiple year contracts to free agents. They streamline and try different ways of spending their money to get what they want. But the Yankees will offer the largest contracts possible, knowing that guys like Burnett and Sabathia likely will not pitch all those years injury free, but they will do it anyway, because they know they can pay for the next wave of free agents. That is bad economics for everyone.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is getting harder for me to care about the Lakers because they are similar to the Yankees in they just don’t care about spending limits or luxury taxes
I don’t think that is entirely true. The salary cap plays a very real role in the planning for any NBA team. That’s why you see all those trades involving expiring contracts. That’s a way to get room under the cap to sign free agents. The Lakers this off-season, and most off-seasons, have little room under the cap and tend to be able to sign free agents only for mid-level exceptions and such things. That’s how they signed Artest and VladRad, IIRC.
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the NBA has a salary cap
so the best teams in the league: Lakers, celtics, cavs,etc… wouldnt be excessively spending on players like the yanquis do….
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear both of you guys on that.
And I was aware of that when I was writing what I wrote. Maybe the Lakers are not a good comparison to Los Jankees. Even so, they are pretty far over the salary cap and paying for it if I am not mistaken. If there was no salary cap in the NBA, I wonder if the Lakers would be spending more than they already do?
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure
but i do know that Jerry buss was very reluctant to give odom a 10 million dollar contract cause he didnt want to have to pay so much in luxury taxes…despite the team being the 2nd richest franchise in the league…so maybe he wouldnt be willing to go overboard at a certain point…but this is pure speculation…
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers
did not have the highest payroll in the league last year, I think they were 4th or even 5th.
by LA Taco on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i said 2nd in the league in worth
but yeah doesnt necessarily correlate to payroll
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point, it’s hard to value an NBA teams payroll just looking at one year.
by LA Taco on Oct 26, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone have the numbers on highest payrolls
for the NBA?
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as of March 3, 2009
1. New York Knicks: $94,368,270
2. Dallas Mavericks: $92,758,122
3. Cleveland Cavaliers: $90,329,718
4. Portland Trail Blazers: $80,600,059
5. Boston Celtics: $79,659,701
6. Houston Rockets: $75,231,879
7. Los Angeles Lakers: $75,255,408
8. Phoenix Suns: $75,245,418
9. Sacramento Kings: $74,613,915
10. Toronto Raptors: $72,782,229
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am completely surprised!
I have been under the impression that the Lakers were way over the salary cap and the only ones to be so. I don’t really know that much about the NBA. I always thought they were the Yankees of basketball.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe in terms of championships
i can see theyre very comparable…
theyve had more widespread success much like how the yanks have
where as the celtics dominate one era and that accounts for most of their rings….hehe
i cant help but say that
im a laker fan :)
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just let me say....
I don’t hate the Lakers. I am a Los Angeleno so if the Lakers win, I am cool with that.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no problem bro
so do u think the clips can get to the playoffs this year?
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's listed as a gameday decision
unless you have new information.
Same with Baron (game time decision)
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I do.
I don’t know much about basketball, but they seemed to have drafted some good young guys the last few years and made a nice signing or two. It would be great to see them challenge for the cities attention. That much more excitement around here.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely
that would be awesome
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is for 2008-2009
I believe the Lakers are #1 for this season.
The way NBA contracts are structured, looking at it in 3 year chunks is probably give you a better picture then one year at a time.
by LA Taco on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the Lamar Odom fiasco
was more to do with what Buss felt he was worth on the market. Didn’t Buss feel insulted that he offered more than anyone else would have, so he lowered his price when Lamar couldn’t find a better suitor?
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So yeah,
I recind my Lakers comparison. Sorry dudes.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
baseball is different than any other American sport, it’s hard to make comparisons.
Soccer in England is more similar where you have the top 4 teams that outspend everyone else and are always at the top.
by LA Taco on Oct 26, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t recall the specifics, but in the early days of the luxury tax, I remember Buss trying to keep the payroll to level where he didn’t pay any tax, partially as a show of solidarity with the other owners.
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure they would.
and given the cost of a floor seat at staples center i’d rather hope the lakers would reinvest all that money into the team and not just line the buss family pockets.
this is what i don’t get about baseball fans and yankee haters. the yankees could have half the payroll they do, still be competitive, still sell out and still recreate the pride of the yankees that sells the past. sadly, that’s what the doyers do, which is why all this harkening back to the good old days is a scam. i’m glad the yankees put their money into their team. i wish the likes of the pirates, brewers and royals did too but they don’t have the same drive to be excellent. the lakers do. the mc court’s sadly do not.
by SoCalCMH on Oct 27, 2009 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things I really like about the NBA
1. Max Salaries
2. Team player is already on is allowed to offer more money to their free agent than anyone else
This makes it more likely for a player to stay with a team for a long time and makes it so that it is not an automatic that the team willing to spend the most money might not necessarily get the best players (see New York Knicks vs. New York Yankees).
by Cool Dudes on Oct 26, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most bizarre things about the NBA
1. You can trade Paul Gasol for Kwame Brown
by Cool Dudes on Oct 26, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a new thing though
Wilt Chamberlain for Jerry Chambers, Archie Clark and Darrall Imhoff.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for Junior Bridgeman, Dave Meyers, Elmore Smith and Brian Winters
Memphis did also get two #1s. Although if both were Laker #1s, that isn’t a high value.
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Marc Gasol andJavaris Crittenton
And then they were nice enough to take Randolf’s contract off the Clippers hands so we could go get Telfair, Butler, and Smith which gives them more depth then they have had in years.
The Grizz have been kind to Los Angeles
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and kobe for vlade divac and someone else
cant remember…
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah!
I heard Ned gave Charlotte the advise to get rid of Kobe for Vlad.
He heard Vlad had some veteran flopiness.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 26, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they didnt trade him...
perhaps the franchise mighta stayed in charlotte???
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlotte wouldn't have started him
They had Dell, Glenn, and Larry Johnson. They needed a Center so they made the trade that thought that would fit. Hornets had success.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
That success couldn’t pass them through the Jordan era.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong
but didn’t Kobe basically insist on playing in LA? Isn’t that why he fell to 13th (or whatever pick he was which was) ?
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a scrawny 17 year old scrub
He couldn’t insist upon anything.
There were no guarantees. West convinced Buss to take a chance.
It turned out well.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 26, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I checked the Clips Nation archives
where I remember this topic coming up. Keep in mind, these posters are Clipper fans so if any Laker fans have any different memories of the situation, feel free to chime in and correct:
To Clarify…
The Lakers did not necessarily make that trade on draft day themselves…rather it was Kobe telling the Charlotte that he was only going to play for the Lakers, and that was it. There was no way he was going to play for Charlotte (ala John Elway and more recently Eli Manning). Kobe forced that trade, plain and simple. If memory serves, Kobe even said so BEFORE the draft. So in essence, the Lakers did buy Kobe. I just wanted to clarify that point. In essence, the Lakers were handed Kobe, almost in the same manner that they were given Pau.
by Clip Show on Apr 21, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A different poster disagreed:
But it wasn’t as though Kobe was Lebron James. He was a high school kid who fell to the 13th pick in the lottery. Officially, Kobe only demanded that he be traded, not specifically to the Lakers (although, admittedly, it has been said that his agent told teams he would be playing for the Lakers). Charlotte agreed to trade him in part because they already had Glen Rice, Larry Johnson, and Kendall Gill on the wings. Charlotte was looking for size in that draft, and it wasn’t happening (The players they wanted, Todd Fuller and Vitaly Potapenko, were drafted in the 2 spots before Kobe). . As such, Charlotte essentially picked for the Lakers in the 13 spot. Kobe’s agent used the trade demand strategy to scare off other teams knowing the Lakers wanted Kobe, and it worked. Jerry West offered Charlotte what they were looking for in exchange for Kobe, who they (charlotte) didn’t need. Jerry West definitely saw the potential Kobe had and jumped on the chance. On draft day, no one thought the hornets and been ripped off and their franchise was ruined. They used the draft to get the type of player they thought they needed.
In my opinion, good management got the Lakers Kobe Bryant.
by johnnyoc21 on Apr 21, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.clipsnation.com/2009/4/20/846281/the-sb-nation-nba-playoff-hub#14497852
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the second post
Which was my point.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah revisionist history
But if it were true, I’d like Kobe even more.
I’ve never heard of any draft pick being able to pick where they go, especially a number one. I know there were a number one or two who didn’t really looked thrilled to get selected by the Clips, but “did their time” there before quickly escaping.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 26, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I’ve never heard of any draft pick being able to pick where they go, especially a number one."
John Elway and Eli Manning come to mind.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Francis
though he went number 2, not number 1
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must mean Stevie Franchise. :)
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 27, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
He ended up on the Grizzlies anyway before he was cut. He couldn’t avoid his fate.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 27, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasnt he picked by charlotte though?
he was traded to LA soon after
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought he was picked by Charlotte at the Laker’s direction.
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and god bless jerry west for that.
you want to give back titles and go back to losing in the first round to phoenix??? i dont.
by SoCalCMH on Oct 27, 2009 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean budget? I see their payroll was in the 115 Million range!
by delias man on Oct 26, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a problem with their budget. That budget is still less than half
of what the Yankees spend.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still would not call 115 "working on a budget"
60-80M? That is working on a budget.
by delias man on Oct 26, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My main point is
the Phillies will not be able to keep all of the players they have right now because they simply can’t afford all of those players becoming free agents. I think to keep their current success, they will have to choose which players to sign and who to let go.
But yes, at 115 million, they are a spender and can make impact signings.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i hate the freaking phillies..
by matthewmafa on Oct 26, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no love for the Yanks
But right now I HATE the Phillies, Yankee Sweep.
Flashback to Luzinski trying to catch a ball in left hit by Manny Mota.
by MammothDodger on Oct 26, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When Matt Holliday attempted to catch Loney’s liner/flyball and got handcuffed right into the crotch, I had a bit of a flashback Bill Russell’s liner handcuffing Garry Maddox.
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to go with the Phils.
Will make beating them next year that much sweeter.
Things I hope to see in the World Series:
1. Rivera blows a save.
2. Werth and Victorino continue to hit for power.
3. 7 game series.
4. 142 runs in the series
5. Walk-off bunt
6. Phils bullpen completely shuts down Yankees
7. New York Eats their young
8. One of the Yankees starters telling Yankees management to go to hell on national television after questioning his commitment to the team after loosing causing the need for quick trade in the off season.
9. Game 7 played in a snowstorm in white out conditions.
10. Ice sliding
by Cool Dudes on Oct 26, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
142 runs in the series
Awesome. :)
I’m not sure what the record for total runs in a World Series is, but I know the 1960 WS had 82 runs (Yanks lost despite outscoring Pirates 55-27) in seven games, and the 1993 WS (Jays/Phils) had 81 runs in 6 games.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 1950 Phillies would be much easier to root for than the 2009 Phillies.
Of the major players for this year’s WS teams, my favorite is probably Chase Utley, so that may tip the scales for me to root for the Phils over the Yankers, if I pay any attention to the WS at all.
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that because he is the only Phil who didn't kill us?
by Cool Dudes on Oct 26, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's from Long Beach
and went to UCLA. I bet he has a lot of fans in SoCal. He would’ve been a great Dodger.
by LA Taco on Oct 26, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a very good ballplayer at a middle infield position. I like the way he plays. Yes, the UCLA connection. The Dodgers also drafted him out of high school.
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point in the season
when the Dodgers aren’t in it, I just hope to see some good baseball. I passionately dislike the Phillies, and how can you root for the Yankees if you are a Dodgers’ fan. So it’s a lose-lose situation except that we may see some good baseball.
Also with regards to the other conversation above. If I’m not mistaken, the Phillies had the highest payroll in the NL, and the Yankees in the AL. QED.
by LA Taco on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i have to go with the yanquis here…
i know u might have more respect for the phillies than the yanks
and i respect them too…but i couldnt stand seeing them beat us again…
and im still pissed….
so yeah im for the yanquis here…
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
if I could ever bring myself to root for the Yankees. I think I just have an inexplicable dislike for them. I can rationalize my dislike by throwing out numbers, but I think I just plain don’t like how they look.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees Beat the Dodgers 8 times in the World Series
I think it’s the record for one team beating another.
by LA Taco on Oct 26, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
likely
though i wasnt around when the yanks played the dodgers in the WS
so my dislike is more towards the phillies at this point…
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
same here for the most part BUT
if you are a Dodger fan, you have to be in touch with the team history, it’s one of the best things about being a fan of such a legendary franchise.
by LA Taco on Oct 26, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is troubling me
now im comparing this to the celtics beating the lakers 9 times out of 11 in the finals
and it doesnt look so pretty from this perspective…
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yanks beat the Giants 6 times. I believe that is 2nd.
I know the A’s beat the Giants thrice
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards have beaten the Yankees 3 times as well
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and of course the Dodgers did beat the Yankees three times too
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meaning that if you subtract the Yankees
The Dodgers are 3-4 instead of 6-12 :)
by LA Taco on Oct 26, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is part of the reason I am sure.
I don’t like when people trash LA and talk about how great NYC is. That place is a locked in rathole. Been there a bunch and would never live there. Give me good ol Los Angeles any day.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to live there
Don’t consider it to be a rat hole at all…
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like how NYC has tunnels that let you in and out of Manhattan.
I feel trapped when I am there. Some people love what NYC offers. But in my travels there, the place bugged me out.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 26, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know people
who don’t like L.A because you need to go everywhere by car and it generally takes 50 minutes to get 15 miles (Westside to Sherman Oaks.) Plus LA has that whole “suburb in search of a city” feeling. Different strokes…
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love visiting cities with great subway systems
but I’m not sure I’d want to live there and depend on them. Then again if I lived there I wouldn’t have a house so all the reasons I need my truck would pretty much go by the wayside. Sometime my subway trips to Staples are fascinating and other times they are boring. You never know who is going to make it interesting, but it sure is trippy to see the melting pot of Los Angeles on our subways.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back in the day
I used to take the old line 31 RTD bus from Eagle Rock to Hollywood after school to hit up some cool record stores. (Or sometimes just as far as Glendale to hit Music+.) I would see some verrry interesting people on that bus. Over/under on people talking to themselves non-stop was about 5.
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
I was going to root for the Yankees, but now I just want good baseball. Time has healed my Phillies wounds, so I think I will be leaning that way.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 26, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey mwhite06
Didn’t want to respond up there because the limit of where the posts seperate was reached (D’oh), but I read that he’s doubtful because he has a bone bruise that’s swelling, so he’s going to get a second opinion from another doctor.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Got it
Steve Perrin reported him and Baron as a game time decision.
I agree with the consensus over at his blog; it’s more important that Baron plays (and plays well) than Griffin anyway.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backpedaling to me by Clipper fans because of the injury
you know you wanted BG to play tomorrow night and make a statement about our future. Still I’m just as excited about DJ as I am about Griffin, the difference between him 12 months ago and now begs the question, if he’d stayed in school would there have been a debate over who should have been the number one pick?
For those who have no idea what I’m talking about, DeAndre Jordan is now a man, and I can’t think of any team that has two players at this age with this much talent at the 4/5 slots. Our future may not be now but not even Portland has a trio like Giffin/Jordon/Gordon all 21 years or younger and all capable of being fixtures in the all-star game. DeAndre Jordan is going to be the biggest 2nd round steal of the 21st century.
Baron might be important this year but he will be long gone when our one/two/three punch is punching holes in the Western Division. How is that for optimism headed into opening day?
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you predict their record will be before tip-off on TBLA night?
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
42-40
a 23 game improvement from last year and I’m probably on the low end compared to the prognosticators. Many of them have the Clips as the Sleeper team and finishing 2nd in the Division. That is alot to ask of such a young team so I’ll be happy with a winning season as the core of the team prepares for the future.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
but I meant after their first six games, going into the Memphis game (TBLA night)
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"DeAndre Jordan is going to be the biggest 2nd round steal of the 21st century."
Wooooaaahhh, easy there compadre.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd round steals 2001-present
2001 – Gilbert Arenas
2002 – Carlos Boozer
2003 – Mo Williams
I think you cut your optimism short; perhaps you should have also said DeAndre would be the best Jordan ever. :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll stand by my comment
when DJ is ready to sign his FA contract he will be more highly sought after then any of those players. I’m in awe of his athletic skills and his work ethic. Watching DJ shoot a free throw a year ago was painful, now he looks like he knows what he’s doing. Some players will spend a whole career without improving that one simple thing that just requires work.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
last year he looked like Andris Biedrins shooting a free throw….
this year he looks much much better
by matthewmafa on Oct 26, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wont crack 70
I assure you that. Stamp it.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd round steals 2001-present
2001 – Gilbert Arenas
2002 – Carlos Boozer
2003 – Mo Williams
Dont forget Luke Walton for 2003 haha
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when the clippers got jordan
i was like wow this man is like a mixture of dwight howard and andrew bynum
but he doesnt really have any skills.. except for alley oops and dunks… he needs to work on his post game and he will become a beast
by matthewmafa on Oct 26, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean to call you out
but this quote really cracked me up:
wow this man is like a mixture of dwight howard and andrew bynum
but he doesnt really have any skills
I know what you mean though; it just seems funny to say it out loud.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight Howard doesn't really have a post game either
Unless you can’t that line drive sky hook thing….
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's no Dwight Howard
Dwight has more speed and athleticism.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
combination
deandre is as athletic of a center as you can have…
howard is just a freak tho so nobody can have his athleticism…
speed yes cause hes only 6-10 and he was a Power forward coming into the nba and then he tooks some damn steroids lol
by matthewmafa on Oct 26, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it easier to root for a team that beat us since I want them to win and validate the fact we lost to them. Then I can rationalize to myself that we might have also been World Champions if we’d been able to get past the Phillies. If the Yankee’s kick the Phillies butt after we couldn’t I’ll be very even more disappointed so here is to hoping that Werth, Victorino, and Chan Ho have one more celebration left.
I have no interest in revenge when it is someone else doing the work. It is up to us to get the Phillies off our back not the Yankee’s.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Phils have a payback check that only the Dodgers can cash.
Just like we got St. Louis! Watch your balls Phillie, watch your balls.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 26, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand this line of rationalization reasoning, and sometimes I buy into it. Still is hard for me to be too interested in the outcome, but I’ll add that factor + plus the Utley reason I stated earlier into the “pro” column for rooting for Philly.
by David Young on Oct 26, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus I just like the Philly team
I’d love to have everyone of them except for Feliz and Myers as Dodgers.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pls add Scott eyre to that list
by delias man on Oct 26, 2009 9:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
... And Ruiz
Who’s been like Brad Hawpe against us…
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 26, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pointless
rationalize all you want. that’s what video games and computer simulations are for. no way the doyers were gonna beat the phils, nor would they the yanks or halos without a legit #1, manny-being-manny, and deer in the headlights broxton.
by SoCalCMH on Oct 27, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find most WS are a no win
Because I love the dodgers so much and hate just about every other team. Is that old school to hate like that? Sometimes I feel like Jeff Kent in that way
by delias man on Oct 26, 2009 9:25 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I recorded the 1985 NLCS Game 5
from Sunday (the Ozzie Smith HR game), and Vin Scully is great. So far, he referenced Toulouse-Lautrec, and later when a Cardinals fan threw water on Steve Sax as he was walking to the dugout, Scully described the fan as:
Some brave man, holding with both hands onto his anonymity.
Classic Scully
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On KTLA right now
Steve Phillips entering rehab for sex addiction.
… Jesus..
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 26, 2009 10:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet those rehab centers are great places to pick up chicks :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like being addicted to life.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 27, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now this is just getting stupid
Go away, McCourts. Or handle your shit.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/27/mccourt-911-drama/#ixzz0V73RMPC4
I also blame Blake Griffin’s knee injury on the McCourt separation.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I officially lend my support to Frank.
by delias man on Oct 26, 2009 11:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
breaking news:
Blake Griffin’s NBA debut has been pushed back indefinitely after the Los Angeles Clippers revealed late Monday night that their No. 1 overall draft pick has a broken left kneecap.
that sucks..
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
fuck me
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just wrote at least 4 more “Clipper curse” columns from Bill Simmons.
Seriously though, that sucks. Horrible news for the Clips.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was looking forward to seeing em square off with the lakers for real this time…
but yeah this blows
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it really does
That TOTALLY blows!
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Phil, on a plus note..
More playing time for DJ :)
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like gasol will miss the opener
but it has yet to be confirmed….
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kaman and DJ at center
Camby and Smith at PF. Smith is a beast for 6’7. I don’t really care he broke his knee cap, I do care he’s had three injuries in three months. That trend better stop now.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
These events occuring with the #1 draft picks is bordering on becoming one of ’Lawler’s laws."
Cippers pick ’em, theyre gonna get hurt – bad hurt.
by 68elcamino427 on Oct 27, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludicrous comment
in twenty years of drafting only Manning and Livingston were hurt enough to impact their games. Smith, Harper, and Brand were not Clipper number one draft picks. Usually they just suck.
Griffin will not need surgery just rehab time. How much time has Bynum missed over the last two years due to injury?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify
our number one picks usually suck, they don’t usually have catastrophic injuries. The Clippers have enough of a sorry history that no one needs to use hyperbole when discussing their problems.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a shame the Clippers have had such poor results with their #1 picks over the years.
by 68elcamino427 on Oct 27, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True but the deep past is the deep past
and recent picks are having a big impact on the team. Kaman, Thornton, Gordon, and Griffin are quite solid number ones doing about what is expected given where they were drafted. The only number one they have whiffed on in the last seven years was Korolev and that was an incredibly weak draft other then Granger at the Clipper draft point. Granger would have been nice but promises are promises. Livingston is gone but he was living upto his promise when he destroyed his knee. No number one in 2006.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/draft.html
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still waiting for the Clippers to turn the corner and be a really competitive team.
Hope they do.
by 68elcamino427 on Oct 27, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 weeks
Is this in any way similar to the knee injury Bynum had?
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 27, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bynum’s knee cap was displaced
Griffin’s knee cap is broken
by 68elcamino427 on Oct 27, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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