Manny Ramirez To Exercise Option, Return To Dodgers
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
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In a move that is not much of a surprise, Manny Ramirez is going to exercise his $20 million option for 2010, and remain with the Dodgers, per Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated.
Just as in 2009, much of Manny's 2010 salary is deferred. Per our Dodger payroll worksheet (there is always a link on the right sidebar of the front page as well), here is the payout of Manny's salary:
| Year | 2009 Salary | 2010 Salary | Total Salary |
| 2009 | $7,267,760 | $7,267,760 | |
| 2010 | $10,000,000 | $10,000,000 | |
| 2011 | $3,633,880 | $3,333,333 | $6,967,213 |
| 2012 | $3,633,880 | $3,333,333 | $6,967,213 |
| 2013 | $3,633,880 | $3,333,333 | $6,967,213 |
| Total | $18,169,399 | $20,000,000 | $38,169,399 |
Keep in mind that Manny's 2009 salary was reduced by his 50-game suspension. Player's salaries are computed over the 183-day regular season, so Manny lost $6,830,601 of his $25 million salary for being ineligible 50 of the 183 days, spread out through 2013.
Manny Ramirez hit .290/.418/.531 with 19 home runs and 63 RBI in 104 games in 2009. He started 99 of a possible 112 games while active. The official decision to exercise the player option does not need to be made until November 10 or five days after the World Series, whichever is later.
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Since Manny will be playing in 2010 for a new FA contract in 2011 and beyond, maybe he will be hungry and put up better numbers??? :)
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 28, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe he will do what old
left fielders in the pre and post steroid era do, and that is continue to regress as they age.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Source?
I don’t doubt this will ultimately be the case. But I can’t sort out the sourcing on this. Heyman didn’t give source, and it was unclear from his original Tweet whether he was predicting it or reporting it as fact.
by dustybakerdodgr on Oct 28, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
His source is almost always Scott Boras
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His wording is not vague in the Tweet
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not doubting you at all. Just saying at first glance I noted that there wasn’t a qualifying or clarifying “I can confirm that Manny will exercise…” or “I predict that Manny will exercise…” or even “I’m hearing that Manny will exercise…” phrase so I wasn’t sure what Heyman was saying. Limitations of Twitter space and all I suppose.
Has anyone ever mentioned the words “Manny” and “exercise” in the same sentence this many times before? ;-)
by dustybakerdodgr on Oct 28, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason
I am not as excited at this news as I was last year. I know he is still a good hitter, but he seems to be moving quickly towards just your average old slugger with health issues.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But you have to be excited
about the fact we will be paying him $7M for three years after he is gone. What a great deal the Dodgers put together.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always been of the opinion that you pay off your debts as
quick as possible. I guess deals like this do speak of some kind of financial woes in Dodgerdom. I suppose I am buying into this talk that Manny can only hit mistakes now.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's interest free
today’s money is worth more than tomorrow’s money (although inflation is historically low right now, I believe) so it’s a good deal for the Dodgers owner if not the Dodgers management.
by LA Taco on Oct 28, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I just meant that it would seemingly hang up any projects player or franchise related in the future. Wouldn’t deals like that make it harder for McCourt to build the Dodger bars in the parking lot like he wants?
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter if it is free money
if we have a strict budget. If our budget is 100M and we have to keep 7M of that for Manny, that removes 7M from spending on a possible FA to help the team. Or it means moving an arbitration eligible players because we can’t afford him. The deferred money has consequences.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, last year I would have been taking off work for a few days to celebrate this news. Now, I’m all meh.
by dustybakerdodgr on Oct 28, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With a whole year playing next season
do you think Manny’s numbers go up drastically or do they only go a up slightly because he doesn’t have the benfit of two months rest?
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Counting numbers
are sure to go up if he’s healthy and gets back those 50 games but what is important are the skills. Can he continue to post a +.950 OPS or are those days gone. Because if he can’t he’s a huge liability given his contract and defense.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that is true.
I was just wondering if his good numbers this year were partly due to the fact that he had so much rest. Kind of like how Clemens could pitch so well while only having to pitch part of the year.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do people here feel generally about X. Paul
With Manny aging, we’ll likely see the 4th OF get significant amounts of playing time as he did this year. I believe this off-season is the best chance the Dodgers have to let Pierre go somewhere else, X Paul is I think clearly the first choice within the system to step in. Is he up for it?
by LA Taco on Oct 28, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am a big Paul fan
I think he would be a very good fit as a fourth outfielder. I still don’t think Juan Pierre gets moved, so the point is somewhat moot.
by prosellis on Oct 28, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still high on Paul
the guy nearly played his way onto the team last year out of camp and contributed when Manny was done. I think he’s the ideal 4th outfielder.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how the leg infection and basically missing the whole season
will affect him?
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would seem to be an ideal situation for a young player to be the 4th OF
Especially a guy like XPaul that can play CF and RF. The Manny off-days, defensive caddy in late innings, occasional days off for Kemp and Ethier, some PHing, should provide enough playing time to work his skill at the major-league level. As was stated before, it’s probably JP’s job unless someone else wants him and takes on enough of his contract to make Ned/Frank/whoever happy.
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I''m betting on Juan being traded on five things
1. He will be even more motivated to force the Dodgers to try to make it happen since he see’s his game atrophying while sitting on the bench and he knows he only has a few more years.
2. The Dodgers will need to clear some space if they want to pursue anyone worth pursuing.
3. The money is sunk so you eat what you have to.
4. Juan Pierre at 2/9 or 10M seems like something that a team will bite on.
5. The Dodgers have a 4th outfielder in Paul ready to step in.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the key thing is the sixth
Who is looking to take on JP at 2/9 ?
Your reason 2 mean you don’t think it could a bad contract swap, e.g. Luis Castillo?
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2/9 would be the guessed market rate
If it was a bad contract swap then you would add the bad contract dollars as part of the trade and figure out the difference.
Dodgers trade for a player to be named later and pay all but 9mil of Pierre’s salary would be straight up, freeing 4.5/year is salary. But I’m pretty sure that money would just be pocketed, so I would prefer a trade or Pierre to stay.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard suggestions of Pierre being traded
for Luis Castillo and also Suppan who has 1yr/$12MM on his contract I believe. Anyone else know of any other bad contract swaps that could potentially make sense? Seems it would have to be for a middle infielder or starting pitcher…
by BFDC on Oct 28, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pierre
Assuming he is not traded and is 4th OF again, does anyone expect this part-timer to just be handed a starting job in 2011 (final year of contract)?
by silverwidow on Oct 28, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On October 28, 2009
I have a hard time expecting anything as far as 2010, let alone 2011
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he will be traded
I think there are more than one team that would want him at 2 years 9m
by LA Taco on Oct 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just got two pretty thorough
explanations on how the Dodgers and the McCourts can travel down the future divorce road from two high end lawyers. You guys have it right on. This will force McCourt to show howmuch money he really has.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
did anything in the explanations lead to a happy ending for Dodger fans?
by MammothDodger on Oct 28, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. They both told me
that the best that can happen is that the McCourts get divorced and she is instated as co-owner of the team which would be very strange and awkward, almost Arrested Development like. Otherwise she will likely force him to sell the team unless he can pay her half of what the Dodgers are worth. There are some loop holes in there such as Frank can go to court saying that the Dodgers are his sole livelihood, but I didn’t quite get the gist of what was beign told to me in that regard.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank could possibly argue that the Dodgers could be exempt from him
having to give her half of the Dodgers worth and he gives her half of other assets they have because the Dodgers are his livelihood and she doesn’t need the millions from the Dodgers. Hopefully I am translating what I am being told in the correct way.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A judge could agree that Frank could pay out
Jamie with enough left over to keep the Dodgers in his ownership.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure a sale would be the worst that could happen
i would much rather see a new owner than divorced mcourts as co owners.
i am certainly not a lawyer but were the mccourts residents of MA when the team was purchased? Is MA a community property state and if not wouldn’t that make the community property portion just the increased value since they established residence in CA? possibly making Jamie’s share only about 200 mil or less depending on the current valuation? which might be something that Frank could float with more leverage.
by MammothDodger on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, I have no idea. I can try that one out on my lawyer friends when
I get a chance. One thing about knowing a lawyer or two. They always seem to enjoy being quizzed on this stuff. But from what you are saying, I think that is what the one was trying to get across. There are some loopholes to explore.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Police officers
like being quizzed more, I can assure you.
by Seanny Rotten on Oct 28, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully some guy like Mark Cuban would swoop in
to buy them up. Hopefully some massive corporation that doesn’t care about baseball in the least does not see the need to buy the Dodgers.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A decent fantasy baseball related article on Clayton Kershaw at the Hardball Times today. They make the point of Kershaw being likely to regress in 2010 due to his low BABIP and HR/FB%.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 28, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus that whole old enought to drink thing :)
Seriously, there is no ceiling on this kid, but if we were only as good as he was last year (or even “lucky”, he would be pretty damn good.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sisler note
from the post about the Dodgers-Phillies pennant race in 1950 the other day, here’s a note from Dodgers’ historian Mark Langill about Dick Sisler, who hit the pennant-winning 3-run jack in the 10th inning on the season’s final day:
Sisler was the son of George Sisler, the Hall of Fame infielder who in 1950 was working for the Dodgers as a scout and sitting behind the Brooklyn dugout. Asked after the game about watching his son beat the Dodgers, George Sisler replied, “I feel awful and terrific at the same time.”
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha, what a great quote.
I think he may have secrelty been happy for his son though. Sounds like he was riding the fence.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Clips fans
Will Lebron come in 2010? The more I think about it, the more I feel like the clippers are the best place for him.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and share the LA spotlight with Kobe? I doubt it. If he leaves Cleveland, it will probably be to go to a larger market city east of the Mississippi River.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 28, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NY or Jersey?
Ny doesn’t have the players to win him a title, maybe the Nets.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago, NY, NJ, Miami, Phi. Some are in better shape than others to afford to pay him and some are obviously closer to winning than others.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 28, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lebron nearly won a title with no supporting cast
any competent organization can be succesful building around Lebron. I mean, who does Cleveland have now (and Lebron can certainly win now) that couldn’t be replicated in dozens of other teams?
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty obvious what Cleveland does...
Run Lebron at the top of the key and let him do his thing. Mike Brown is a terrible offensive coach. Hiring Keuster was very underrated as it made Cleveland somewhat have offense instead of having Lebron play 1 v. 5.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But to answer your question
I just don’t think Lebron himself can give you a championship. Cleveland needs a faster big man. They should have at least tried to pursue odom last year.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it will come down to where he wants to play
several teams can offer the max but what city does he want to own? Does he have Hollywood aspirations?
Just for fun. If the Clippers remove Baron Davis they can offer the max but no one will take Baron without some incentive. This is just a scenario but if you could move Davis by including Gordon in the deal would you do so if that guaranteed LeBron became a Clipper? You’d have to right?
Telfair/LeBron/Thornton/Griffin/Kaman/Jordan is good but they really would need Gordon to be complete because they need a shooter.
Ideally you use Gordon at the point.
Gordon/LeBron/Griffin/Jordan/Kaman would be an interesting five. Never going to happen but it would be light up this city to have a rivalry between LeBron and Kobe. Talk about bandwagon Clipper fans.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think he wants a championship now
More than owning a city? I’m just saying with the Clips’ big men, they’ll be a lot more formidable, but they’ll lack outside shooting.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lakers could use Baron Davis
Fish is about to retire.
Add Morrison expiring contract to Fish’s expiring contract (who retires and rejoins the Lakers as an assistant coach), and you could be getting close to Baron’s contract.
I doubt it would happen, but there is probably more of market for Baron than you think if he were to get healthy.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lakers don't need Baron
They don’t operate through point guards. The triangle is more for post players and shooters, you don’t need a PG to run the triangle. And Baron, I’m now convinced, can’t shoot.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would just be one more weapon in an already deadly aresenal.
Lakers could have Smush Parker at point guard and win this year.
Of coarse he can shoot, he wouldn’t be in the NBA if he couldn’t. Now if injuries have taken a toll and he is done, that’s one thing, but he’s got this year to show his stuff.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes he really isnt the ideal point gaurd for the triangle
but I doubt there’s any guy out there that wants to be a part of this organization any more, or anyone more deserving.
Aside from the fact that I gather it was a childhood dream of his to play here, any guy that was actually willing to step up and take the pay cut deserves a chance, I find that really refreshing in today’s world.
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
by Ollie on Oct 28, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't take a pay cut to come here
the Clippers were the only team who offered him a contract after he opted out of his GS deal.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant that I believe he offered to take a pay cut to come to the lakers
but the deal never went through
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
by Ollie on Oct 28, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My heart will be broken if he never gets one year in the purple and gold
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
by Ollie on Oct 28, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Moving Gordon to get Lebron
Yes, you absolutely have to. Lebron is the best player on earth, I don’t really care who else is on the team.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how the Clips can offer him max dollars
unless some sucker is taking Baron off our hands
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The future is Gordon
You think Lebron may disrupt what Gordon is doing or what he’s going to do in the future? Or benefit?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
he’s the future, it is to bad Baron Davis signed with us. I’d rather be going into this season and the future with Sessions/Gordon/Butler,Thornton/Griffin,Camby,Smith/Kaman,Jordan.
Davis may have lost weight and may be cut but I’ve seen no sign he can shoot or reach the rim anymore. Once he heals he may be adequate but he’s being paid to be one of the best point guards in the league and he’ll be lucky to crack the top 10 in the West alone.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a headache Baron has become
I was excited to see how better he would be last night, I saw no improvement, just same ol’ Baron from last year. He made some really bad calls last night.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By statistical measures
he was the worse player in the NBA last year, and last night he was even worse. He was 1 for 10 and not one of those shots looked like they had a prayer of finding net. The one shot he made was a gimme layup.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's too bad
I was really rooting for him when he came to LA… local guy and all that. His shot has completely disappeared.
by LA Taco on Oct 28, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron was absolutely awful last night
For the Clippers it was basically the Kaman and Gordon show and they kept it close.
Baron and Butler were terrible, and everybody else was just okay.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd forgotten how good Gordon
was over the summer. Man he has a quick shot. Once Dunceleavy took him out with four fouls the game was over.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunleavy had a few vintage bonehead Dunleavy decisions last night
Pulling EJ with 4 fouls was 1 of them.
Also early in the game when Camby got his second fould and in comes Butler to guard Odom. And when EJ got his second fould Ricky Davis came in. That worked about as well as a trainwreck.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butler guarding Odom
Terrible! Rasual Butler had a 17 +/ last night. And I agree that Ricky’s 4 minutes were bad.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admittedly I didn't watch much Clippers last season
but the one thing that stood out last night was just how lightning quick Gordon’s shot was. He didn’t need anytime at all to get that thing off.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will go to the Knicks
it is written.
by LA Taco on Oct 28, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NBA would greatly benefit if the Knicks didn’t suck. I wonder how much money it’s cost the NBA for the Knicks to be so awful for so long. A good Knicks team makes that TV contract more valuable, I would think. Would help merchandising too, I’d think.
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Glad Manny Signed.
It must have been pretty tough for him living on only $606K/month last year. He probably really had to economize, maybe it affected his game. Now he’s back up to a much more civilized $833K/month (I mean, I could live on that), he should be able to cover his expenses better and concentrate on baseball. It really makes me sad thinking he has to rent Tommy Lasorda if he wants him at one of his functions though, Boras really failed him there.
But yeah, Manny’s back, I think this is a plus for the Dodgers, he will still rival Kemp and Ethier for best OPS. I can’t see anyone else on the free agent market or under Dodger control who would even approach that next year. Maybe a slight chance Xavier, but him being healthy 1 week out of 30 or so reallly wasn’t a good sign and hope for optimism. He’ll probably need some time to get his game back.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad he is back as well
Yes, $20 million is too much to pay, but I have little confidence that the money would have been spent on a replacement in the outfield anyway had Manny opted out. Sort of the lesser of two evils, if you will.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe now he'll be able to feed his family:)
"If you go to ciphering we are whipped beforehand."
by Sordid on Oct 28, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I hate when athletes use that phrase. It makes me want to punch them
in the throat.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per AP
In a filing submitted by the Dodgers that opposes her return to the team, Dodgers attorneys allege that Jamie McCourt took a trip with her bodyguard, Jeff Fuller, in early July to Israel on team business, but then headed to France for 2½ weeks and billed the Dodgers for the trip.
I’m not sure if this has already been discussed (or ignored). But I guess Director of Protocol means bodyguard?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty slimey
how frank and Jamie charge all of this BS to the Dodgers and then say they are “unprofitable”.
Yeah after I pay myself my 100 million salary my wife 75 million, pay for all of the “Dodger vacation villas”, the Dodgers just can’t make any money. I can’t figure it out, why don’t they make any money? OK, sell the prospects.
Seriously, unless Frank can really show that he is serious about returning this organization to a tradition of winning, and is in a position to do so after this divorce, I’m done with these shady characters and say judge make them sell the team and I’ll take my chances.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jamie’s salary was $2 million and Frank’s between $5-6 million, per the court documents.
The ancillary stuff seems excessive though, for sure.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It ridiculous
They own 100% of the Dodgers, their salary should be $0.
I need to stop looking, the more you look into this stuff, the more sickening it becomes.
Its better just to realize that they are all greedy bastards, accept it, and just watch the team on the field, but this mess has really made it hard to do that. I’m just going to give props to Jerry Buss for elevating himself above greedy scumbucket owner and hope someday the Dodgers will find someone comparable.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typically, business owners draw a salary from their business.
If I owned my own store, I would draw a salary from the store, and that is what I would be living on. The only business owners that can afford to draw a $1 salary (I think it can’t be $0) are those that are wealthy from other sources. Perhaps there are tax advantages to spreading your income across salaries drawn from all the various businesses. (I’m not a CPA, nor do I have an MBA, so what the hell do I know?)
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the case that the team has to be sold
who would the top candidates to buy it be, Broad? Cuban?
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
by Ollie on Oct 28, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bud Selig's pick :A financially strapped millionaire that will keep the Dodger's payroll in check
"If you go to ciphering we are whipped beforehand."
by Sordid on Oct 28, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was only on March 17th
that Jamie was named CEO, so I have assume everything was okay at that point.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess it was sometime between March 17th and October 17th that Jamie hooked up with the Bodyguard.
by BFDC on Oct 28, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
March 17th – Early July
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometime between
March 17th and the trip to France. Somehow I’m picturing it this way. Frank had an affair, was caught, Jamie threatened a divorce and possible loss of the team unless he makes her CEO. She takes the gig and then ends up having an affair with Jeff Fuller as payback, and also proves to be a lousy CEO in the process. Frank has no choice to go the divorce route if he wants to save his team because she is so inept at the job.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To bad for Frank
he couldn’t buy her off as easily as Kobe did his wife with a million dollar diamond.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we saw Kobe sitting with Frank at NLCS Game Two
I said to Kevin Lewis that obviously Kobe was giving Frank marital advice. “Look Frank, I KNOW, I’ve screwed up big time before. Did you see that rock I put on her finger to make up for it?”
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know how much a million dollar diamond costs?
That wasn’t going to happen.
Besides, that million dollar diamond is half Kobe’s anyway, money in the bank for Kobe.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I can remember during this whole mess
is that an old DT poster named LAT who was a lawyer told me of his one encounter with Mrs. McCourt and it was less then flattering. Given that LAT is one hell of nice guy and who is probably an excellent judge of character ( he likes me) I’ve always felt the carpetbaggers were going to be our doom.
Selling Carlos Santana was just the start of our ascent into hell.
We need a Divorce Game Thread where we can really let loose.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he in relation to the term “LAT’d”? I’ve seen that a couple of times…
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
every time he’d comment, Jon would create a new post so whoever got the last comment of a thread he was said to have been LAT’d.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was more coincidence than anything :)
LAT would often post a long, essayish comment that would post just after Jon put a “NPUT” (new post up top). It got to be a running gag.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know how much a million dollar diamond costs?
This is a great question, along the lines of “Does England have a July 4.” :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOu've been watching to many re-runs of Dallas :)
I’m just going to return to my first reaction:
were fucked
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw this spun somewhere as kicking Jamie upstairs to get her further away from day-to-day operations that would be handled by the new COO Dennis Mannion
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I met Dennis Mannion in Spring Training
with BH & JJ24.
He was a hell of a nice guy. We were literally just walking out the door with Josh Rawitch as Mannion and some guests were walking in the offices, and Mannion stopped to say hello, and ended up talking to us for something like 10 minutes. He was very candid and seemed sincere, and was very interested in our opinions, or at least pretended to be :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is beating a dead horse
but I just love how Frank & Jamie sell our best catching prospect for $2 MM while paying themselves these salaries and putting extravagant expenses on the team tab. They really need to sell off our prospects while paying themselves more than $1 MM per month combined!! I’m not saying they shouldn’t pay themselves something but this is a little sickening.
by BFDC on Oct 28, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just want to know who will get custody of the 2008 L.A. Business Journal Power Couple of the Year award.
Within the L.A. Business Journal article on that award (Jan 5, 2009) is this:
Within their marriage, the McCourts have a simple method for resolving conflicts: They keep arguing until one side gives up.
However, they both agree that their work-home marriage arrangement illustrates one path to a happy life.
“If you really pay attention to your skill sets, you can live the motto that one plus one makes three,” said Jamie. “You can make something happen that’s special.”
Frank agrees. Working daily with a spouse “is not for everyone, but when it works, it’s magic,” he said. “You know you have a true life partner.”
1. What a difference several months make.
2. The divorce will take forever.
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you trying to say that award was a freaking thesaud?
Dude, I’m shocked, shocked I tell you shock. They have always come across to me as so genuine and down to earth people. I’m shocked.
P.S. I’m shocked ;)
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to find out
what Jamie’s skill set was. Jeff Fuller might have some info on that.
See, we are a fucking joke.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamie does have multiple degrees, including her JD. But lawyers often make lousy CEOs, except of law firms. Most CEOs aren’t lawyers, they retain lawyers.
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap (Unrelated baseball news)
Clippers not only are playing tonight against Phoenix (As if the Lakers haven’t gassed them), but they face another back to back against Utah on Friday and Dallas on Saturday. Oh man, what a way to start your season.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In the meantime the Lakers don't play
again until Friday. We will have played four games in five games compared to the Lakers two.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They do get a nice 4 day break next week from Monday to Friday. Could affect them negatively though.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not easy being third in line to the Staples center
Probably still beats playing in the sports arena.
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
James Loney is listed (out of about 10 players) as potential trade bait at the 1B position on MLBTR
It is of course nothing but pure speculation though
by BFDC on Oct 28, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A Mets fan on there wants Loney. I wonder if the 2006 NLDS has anything to do with it.
by silverwidow on Oct 28, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that, and he suggested Maine and a prospect for Loney
Not that the Mets would offer that…
by BFDC on Oct 28, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
I wouldn’t offer Loney for Maine anyway.
x-FIP of 5.14 last year. I’m pretty sure Stults could give us that.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre
But more likely, Casey Blake with Dewitt playing 3rd. That’s assuming we don’t pick up a 3rd baseman or 1st baseman in this case.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would work. There are also quite a few serviceable guys who could be signed for either corner position
with the Ned Colletti PVL short term contract special of course
by BFDC on Oct 28, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are going to contemplate trading someone
can’t we at least contemplate trading him for someone who would help the team. John Maine?
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how that improves us any
by having an infield of Blake/…/Furcal/DeWitt. Would there be a worse infield in the league?
If we are going to trade Loney, at least sign Nick Johnson and have the Blake’s around as backups.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I don't think the Dodgers are even contemplating trading Loney
I get the feeling that Joe Torre loves Loney.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree with Kensai's
defensive assessment of Loney but not the offensive. I know you want to look at the cumulative numbers but I can’t help but think that if Loney can generate the power on the road then he ultimately can generate the power at home. The power must exist so it is just a matter of getting him to display it.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a very nice write-up by Kensai. His explanation of the defensive rating was very logical.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the NL average for OPS at 1B?
If Loney cannot be league average for his position next year, I will be very sad to say that he doesn’t have a future with the team. I know he’ll still be young but this next season has to be his last chance to be sub par offensively.
by LA Taco on Oct 28, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NL 1B in 2009
.282/.373/.485 (.858 OPS)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only the Dodgers had 5 more Blake's on the team,
then it would be Blake’s 7.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ethier to 1B
Ned’s dream of Pierre playing CF everyday is fulfilled!
/sarcasm
by silverwidow on Oct 28, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those cops are assholes.
They should find something better to do with peoples tax money.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Even if you are for the police cracking down on prostitution, is the occasional oddball deal on craigs list really any sort of public nuisance? Meh.
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
she ended up getting tickets to the game anyway
a philly sports radio station gave em
good to see philadelphia rewarding prostitution and breaking laws….ahahahahaha
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 28, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am glad for her.
If she wants to blow dudes to get into the game, than it is none of my business. Adults doing stupid sex things over the Internet is the least of the World’s problems for me to care about.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
There will be a World Series game thread at 4:30.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lets gooooooooooo
yankees….
i hate the f’in phillies
by matthewmafa on Oct 28, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yanquis in 5
pulling for the phillies to win for me would be like pulling for the guy who kidnapped your children and buried them alive in a ditch…
and yes and i know about the dodgers vs yankees in WS history…but cmon we havent played that team in the WS since 1981 and many of those matchups before then were way back in the day…
so in a way it is a lose-lose situation
but the phillies beating us again stings alot at the moment
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
by shaqfor3 on Oct 28, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I always root for the underdog
so even if the Phillies beat the Dodgers, I will begrudgingly hope the best for them. Plus, I just hate the Yankees except for the guy with the mohawk. I like mohawks.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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