Prospect Number Five Runoff
by meercatjohn on Oct 29, 2009 8:35 AM PDT
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After a heated battle Aaron Miller, Andrew Lambo, and Ethan Martin were just about dead even. This next vote will only take place in the comments and will run until 09:00 AM tomorrow. Only vote for one of the three, you may use initials if you choose.
AM = Aaron Miller
AL = Andrew Lambo
EM = Ethan Martin
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AM ha ha
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Worse
except we don’t make any money but then again we won’t go to jail.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice pull
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a black one in the early 1980s, when they were all the rage.
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrew Lambo
Same age as EM this year, and a year younger than AM. People — even scouts, apparently — are penalizing Lambo for numbers put up two levels higher than any level EM or AM played at this year. If he had just played one level higher — the Cal League, a league the Dodgers skipped him past entirely — Lambo’s numbers likely would have been great.
by CanuckDodger on Oct 28, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Myself
while I was unimpressed with Lambo’s year I do realize he was skipped but then again if he’s going to be an elite offensive LF I think he needed to hit like one. If Lambo ends up better then a fourth outfielder but no better then a Hermida I don’t see him ranking higher then the others on this list. The only way to me Lambo is better then Martin or Miller is if I already think he’s going to be an offensive asset, and I have my doubts. I hope he does kick it up a notch but i’d love the Lambo name to be playing LF for the Dodgers. I’ve got a great marketing plan with the Dodgers to convert the LF pavilion into Lambo Field.
Plus I was simply very impressed with Aaron Miller.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My real vote went to
Trayvon Robinson for this spot, but he was pulled for the dead heat.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Seasonal Age"
A ballplayers official age is whatever his age is on July 1 of a season. Lambo has a birthday after July 1, Martin has a birthday before July 1. This was Lambo’s age 20 season, although it was an “old 20”. This was also Martin’s age 20 season, although it was a “young 20.”
by CanuckDodger on Oct 28, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An Elite LF
Since the average LF hits a ton, Lambo just being average for that position while getting paid pre-free agency money will be valuable. I think Lambo in future will hit better than Ethier, and even if he is only turns out “as good” as Ethier is now, that’s fine. I like Lambo’s chance of reaching that ceiling better than I like Martin’s chance of being an ace in the majors.
by CanuckDodger on Oct 28, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify
because some may just take your word but Ethan Martin is 10 months younger then Lambo so I’d question the same age comment.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he's referring to 07/01/09 cutoff
Since Martin’s b-day falls before that date, last year was considered his age 20 season. Same as Lambo.
by silverwidow on Oct 28, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know but many people don't
so I just wanted to clarify so that everyone understands the Martin is really 10 months younger then Lambo.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unofficial tally:
Ethan Martin: 4
Aaron Miller: 3 (don’t know if Phil’s double vote counts)
Andrew Lambo: 3
by silverwidow on Oct 28, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet
it counts triple. Twice
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
two can play that game
EM!
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 28, 2009 3:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I didn’t know you kept the old one, I thought you just replaced it. Keep it, you never know when it can come in handy.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things I wish I would have realized before making my vote
1) Ethan Martin’s middle name is Cash.
That is all
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your right
that would have been enough to swing my vote his way. I like everything about my nieces new husband except the fact he doesn’t appreciate Johnny Cash.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a tragedy. I hope the divorce proceedings go more smoothly than the McCourts :)
Cash Martin would be a great name.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's good enough for me
Plus, how do you ignore, 32.9 K/PA. That’s 98.7 strikes/PA, he must be a workhorse.
EM
by Cool Dudes on Oct 28, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AFL Action- Javy Guerra pitched his fifth straight game without allowing a run. The team gave up 11 runs but he pitched a scoreless innings. Trayvon Robinson got his one start a week and delivered two hits. Lambo went 1 for 4 dropping his average to .385. Russell Mitchell was not allowed to play to give the opposing pitchers a break as he entered the game with a 1.379 OPS, 16 RBI’s in 11 games.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
javy guerra hitting 95
but mostly 93 or 94…
his second favorite pitches looks like his 80 to 82 mph changeup with a slider he rarely throws 3rd stting at 86 to 87 mph
by matthewmafa on Oct 28, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EM
EM appears to have won (in the previous poll), or atleast is ahead in the vote at the time that I am making this vote. Why the runoff?
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 28, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
because Lindblom and Robinson had
siphoned off around 20 votes and given how close it was I decided to only let TBLA members decide the outcome. This is their poll after all not just some johnny come lately from Yahoo who decides to vote but never register.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
listenng to colletti on 710 right now
He has faith in bills and a fan of his and sees him as a future ace.
Won’t trade him. May pick up a pitcher in the off season.
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 28, 2009 3:44 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
also
He sees withrow going to be huge
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Must have been paying attention to the TBLA poll:)
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
did a caller ask about Withrow?
I’m surprised that he would come into the conversation….
That’s a huge vote of confidence, IMO, for the GM to give a prospect an endorsement like that on the radio.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Jon Ireland brought up Withrow :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn’t talking about withrow specifically, bit the ‘prospect who is able to make it real big as a pitcher’ kind of speaks volume in Withrow.
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 28, 2009 3:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
he wasnt talking about kershaw either
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 28, 2009 4:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, I wish he was more specific. Who knows, maybe he’s talking about EM.
by silverwidow on Oct 28, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All is right with the Dodgers now and I trust that it will be in the forseeable future.
The good years will keep rolling along.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 28, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what she said
and she was jamie mccourt
by LA Taco on Oct 29, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also from that interview
He offered a lot for cliff lee, “a big time pitcher”(I think withrow), and a guy who can be one of thebest
position players in the game"(gordon).
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Indians are going to rue the day they didn't take the Dodgers offer
but as a Dodger fan how crazy would it have been to watch an AL all-star game in 2012 with Santan/Withrow/Gordon as Indians?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which comment is more ballsy?
That DeAndre Jordan might be the best 2nd round pick of the 21st century, or that Dee Gordon will be an all-star in 2012? :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
deandre jordan
cause there are so many great 21st century 2nd rounds picks
by matthewmafa on Oct 28, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am getting a bit hyperbolic
this week aren’t I. Anyway I still believe DeAndre Jordan is just going to keep getting better and will be the Clipper answer to Bynum by 2011. Many people forget he was being talked about as a lottery pick just weeks before the draft strictly based on his size and athletism.
Gordon timeline – 2010 – A+/AA
- 2011 – AA/AAA/Majors
- 2012 – Starting SS, ROY, All-Star (Injury Replacement for Reyes) , MVP (13th Place) Steals 59 bases, hits 303.
From 2012 – 2015 the Gordons will lead the Dodgers to the World Series and the Clippers to the World ChampionShip. I’ll be long gone from TBLA by then so when it happens people will look back at this post and say, that dude was the ……whatever word they using to describe crazy bastard.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His tone of voice was a bit more relieving. In that the indians didn’t accept the last minute offer.
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis just called
all Clipper fans. The marketing plan picked the wrong guy to hang their hat on. If I see another interview with Davis wearing a bow, a silly sweater, and a pimp hat, he’s going to becomme Dweeby Davis to me.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure he wasn’t calling to have you take place in a staring contest with Jessica Alba? :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No guy could win a staring contest against Jessica Alba. How would he keep his eyes from wandering?
Jessica’s hubby’s name is Cash Warren. Cash.
by David Young on Oct 28, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he spent too much time in the city by the bay and just can’t wash it out of his hair?
by 68elcamino427 on Oct 29, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AL
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
by Ollie on Oct 28, 2009 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You know who should win?
Allen Webster. :)
by Tripon on Oct 28, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Martin? Lambo? Miller? Pfff. They're pikers next to me!"
by silverwidow on Oct 28, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First time I heard of webster awhile back on milb.com, I could have sworn he was from the DR.
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 28, 2009 4:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
My vote goes to Lambo
and has gone to Lambo for the past few polls
by Coolguy_88888888 on Oct 28, 2009 4:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Too late!
I already made that joke! :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway,
about my second base is becoming an offensive position comment.
Well, if you look at the wOBA numbers for the leaders, there is a significant difference.
At short, there’s Hanley/Tulo/Jeter and then there’s a huge drop of like 40 points in wOBA to the next class, which is full of high average, speedier, 5-15 hr types with on base percentages.
My point is that a realistic projection would have DeJesus around maybe a .325-.330 wOBA mark. Fringe average for all major leagues. An optimistic one would put him around the Yunel Escobar .350-.360 wOBA range. And since prospects bomb more often than not, I went with the realism. Point being, if he put up the realistic number, he would still be around a top 10 offensive shortstop.
On the other hand, while second base has that same drop off (Utley/Zobrist/Cano/Kinsler or whatever), they have a long list of guys in that Yunel Escobar range. The same offensive production would put him well out of the top 10 and more into the barely top 20 range, which is not what I want.
Therefore, my conclusion was that realism would dictate that he’s fringe average at short with the potential to be in that upper Yunel Escobar offensive range of value. However, if he were to move to second base, that realistic projection would put him top 20 and he would have to hit in that Yunel Escobar range just to be top 10. Hence, I would not be as thrilled with him at second if he projected to be close to a bottom of the barrel type player.
Personally, i’m hoping both Gordon and DeJesus end up somewhere between .330-.350 wOBA range and we have two cheap solidly above average options for 6 years.
by kensai on Oct 29, 2009 3:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great reply
thanks for the taking the time to clarify what you meant.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 29, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Current Tally
Aaron I was awesome Miller – 4 Votes
Andy I sucked all year Lambo – 8 Votes
Ethan I blew chunks in June Martin – 10 Votes
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 29, 2009 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This Vote
will continue until Noon – feel free to audit my results, remembering to discount the extra vote from Meercat and Phat.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 29, 2009 8:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Meercat & Phat
sounds like a local morning show
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Itchy and Scratchy show
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 29, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else find this McCourt situation particularly intriguing.
I usually ignore all tabloidy stuff, so when there’s something that I have particular interest in I can’t get enough.
The last thing I followed this close was the McNair investigation.
by pdotmac1 on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't particularly
I’m interested inasmuch as I want to know how it will affect my favortie team. But if there was a remote control whereby I could fast-forward to the end I definitely would. The details of their personal lives are not particularly interesting for me.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Phil didn't have enough patience
New poll
by Julio Nievas on Oct 29, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AL
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Oct 29, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Final Vote
Ethan Martin – 12
Andrew Lambo – 9
Aaron Miller – 7
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 29, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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