World Series Game 2 Chat
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT
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PrintNeither Pedro Martinez nor A.J. Burnett have given up a run in World Series play. This is Burnett's first start in the fall classic, and Pedro pitched seven scoreless innings in Game 3 of the 2004 World Series. Dating back to 2004, Pedro has a 14-inning postseason scoreless streak.
| Phillies | Yankees |
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| SS | Rollins |
SS | Jeter | |
| CF | Victorino |
LF | Damon | |
| 2B | Utley | 1B | Teixeira | |
| 1B | Howard | 3B | A-Rod | |
| RF | Werth |
DH | Matsui | |
| LF | Ibañez |
2B | Cano | |
| DH | Stairs |
RF | Hairston |
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| 3B | Feliz | CF | Cabrera | |
| C | Ruiz | C | Molina | |
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lets go YANKEEES
i f;in hate them phillies…
but seriously,, the phiilies have all the ingredients of a 4 or 5 year DYNASTY…
all their hitters are entering their primes right now… and they have cliff lee next year plus maybe more with cole hamels entering his prime too..
They have an outstanding core
but the price tag is starting to come due. From 2008 to 2009, their opening day payroll increased from $98m to $113m.
Per Cot’s, for 2010 they already have $104 million committed to 12 guys. Mostly the right 12 guys, but that’s not a whole team.
Arb eligible keepers
Victorino – 4 years service time (earned $3.125m in 2009)
Ruiz – 3 years service time (1st time arb)
Factor in that Francisco (team control, 3rd year) and Happ are locks for spots and their payroll for 2010 is now up to roughly $112-113m or so for 16 guys, which would match their 2009 payroll.
Arb eligible fringe guys
Joe Blanton – 5 years service time (earned $5.475m in 2009)
Chad Durbin – 5 yrs ($1.635m in 2009)
Eric Bruntlett – 5 yrs ($800k in 2009)
Plus, Pedro Feliz has a $5m option, or is due a $500k buyout (I included the buyout in the totals above). Will they keep increasing the payroll each year? Perhaps, but I don’t think that is very likely.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
True, there is certainly a benefit to winning and getting deep into the playoffs each year, but there is an upper limit, and I believe their $130m or whatever it is next year will approach that (non-Yankee version of course).
The Phillies will certainly be very good for the next couple of years, I just am uncomfortable with the D word.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah they can replace them
with some minor leaguers… and cheap free agents.. as long as they have that core of howard werth utley and victorino… like they can bring in michael taylor and soon to be dominic brown and drabek… and if they keep winning themselves world series.. they can add more and more payroll so yes you are right it will be hard but sadly they are a big time dynasty in the making..
HE made the Dodgers look like T Ball players
in that game we ended up winning. Didn’t look like he was doing anything special out there but it sure did work
MLBTR
During an appearance on The Dan Patrick Show today, Dodgers GM Ned Colletti said his club will be focused on finding second base help and starting pitching in the offseason, though Colletti played dumb when asked about the possibility of the Dodgers making a play for free agent starter John Lackey.
Too expensive for too many years
is how whatever contract he gets will shape up
yeah
he wanted around 5 years 100 mill… LOL
I wouldn't mind him pitching for the Dodgers for the next 5 years.
Any worthwhile pitcher on the market is going to be expensive and long term. Any pitcher in that position will always be an injury risk, but Lackey has been pretty darn good and he is what I would consider in the Cliff Lee, Sabathia, ace makeup kinda guys.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 29, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
“played dumb”. On the radio, how do you do that?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
didn't hear it but
standard colletti/GM reply: John’s a great pitcher and someone any team in baseball would like to have, but I’m not going to comment on specific free agents at this time.
Basically played the “I can’t talk about other players on other teams” card. He started his answer with “Who?”
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither Belliard nor Hudson are under contract for 2010, so for the purposes of that answer I imagine they are not considered “already with the team”. And you know Ned will not commit to a kid like DeWitt or DeJesus at 2B.
Hilarious handle BTW.
Yeah, you’re probably right. I just fear they are going to give up a bunch for an Uggla.
And yeah, I go to UCLA. My parents failed when they named me.
derek jeter
won the roberte clemente award this year..
Good evening, Dodger fans
BYB is still collectively rooting for the Phillies, so I’m gonna try to bounce between two blogs tonight.
The Ned Colletti interview that Mason and Ireland did
http://podloc.andomedia.com/dloadTrack.mp3?prm=2123xhttp://a.espnradio.com/stations/losangeles/mason/mason091028.mp3
Its a 40 minute pod cast. Scroll to the 15th minute for the start of the Colletti interview.
whose your daddy? chants haha
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
2Ks already for san pedro
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
pedro is UNbelievable
he gave up 2 hits to the dodgers.. a broken bat slooper by russell martin and a infield hit to matt kemp..
now he has struck out 2 and 1 popup so far… he is amazing..
another reason to strongly dislike matt stairs
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
just cause well i cant help it
i just want them to lose
simple as that.
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
matt stairs RBI single
after a raul ibanez double
Back to Lackey
he’d be dominant in the NL IMO. But 5 and 100 would be insane if you aren’t the Yankees.
3rd K
damn
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
what did arod strike out loking on?
was it a fastball??
I hate to admit I love Pete.
I am glad to see that not only the Dodgers can’t hit him. Fuck fox.
by delias man on Oct 29, 2009 5:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
well thats one mixed positive i guess...
same deal with Lee too
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
I hope the Phillies are a 1 trick pony in this series
Now that Cliff Lee is done for a few more games
I have fallen over to the Phillies side of the fence on this one
It’s against my Dodger blue and pro-NL / anti-DH nature to root for the New York Yankees.
by David Young on Oct 29, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Too long
When do pitchers/catchers report?
Is it February 14th?
It normally is. I think.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 29, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
i have 50 bucks
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
Can I roll my unused playoff ticket money
into purchasing the team?
Just as long
as it doesn’t wind up in the “hair and makeup” fund.
I figured thats what
“In her office” meant
by prosellis on Oct 29, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I keep trying to work in some sort of Fuller Brush Man joke into this tawdy story somehow, but I can never quite make it work.
Me too. That has been gnawing at me for days :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"The Groomer"
Even kinda fits with one of the Dodgers old time names before they were known as the Dodgers
by 68elcamino427 on Oct 29, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank god the Dodgers didn't make the world series
I couldn’t take one more game with Frank McCourt sitting 4 rows back while his wife was on the front row. Four back for the owner might as well be nose bleed seats.
Heh
I think I could have handled that extra wrinkle :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
In fact, she spends (or, the Dodgers spend) $11k per month to ensure no wrinkles!
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Frank's 3rd row seat at DS
is just to the right of the Dodger dugout and is the only seat in that row with no seats in front of it (in either the first or second rows). Probably the most leg room of any seat in DS!
I'm from the Philly region
I can’t take any more gloating Phils fans, so Yanks need to step this up right now
bring me to the plate boys...
so i can strike out…
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
someone made that joke on this thread
thought id be funny to bring it up hehe
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
Pedro is throwing too many pitches
Was it too much to hope that the Phillies wouldn’t have to use their bullpen in this series?
Yanks are batting like the Dodgers in the series
If even the Yanks choke then will it make the Dodgers look less like they beat themselves in the NLCS and more like they just got smoked by a great Phillies team?
It's taken a few days
But I’m starting to catch the Dodger Blues now that the World Series is in swing with out them…again
To me,
The Dodgers got bear by the best team in the league. The Phillies just out-manned and outclassed them at nearly every position. Unless the Yanks pull off some of their Yankee Stadium magic, the Phillies will crush them.
See, if the Dodgers were in the series
Vin Scully could tell us about all the country music West has produced
So if Werth, Victorino, and Pedro
all do well in this series, can we claim partial victory?
and chan ho park
and cliff lee.. cause he was ours too or at least should have been
bleh!
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
we had a better deal
yet we still lucked out on Lee
damn still has me kinda bitter…
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNKdLLFbHk0
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
forgot about chase utley
we had the guy outta high school… had to go to UCLA huh?
I always like seeing Dodger prospects do well.
That is partly why I am totally for the Phillies in this series.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 29, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It makes me proud.
Even though those guys are true blooded Phillies now, they will probably always think of the Dodgers as the team who gave them their shot in the big leagues.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 29, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
And it also means
that the Dodger organization is at least spotting talent. Even if management gets rid of it before it actually works for the team.
Yeah that too.
I mean baseball is baseball. No matter what or who is in charge, some guys will always get away. It is just the nature of the game. Rather than beat myself up over it, I just like to see them do well and hope eventually they come back to the Dodgers. I was really wishing that Pedro would have donned the Blue again this year. I would have been happy with that.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 29, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like they love every opportunity they have to beat the hell out of the Dodgers
by 68elcamino427 on Oct 29, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
As they should. That is the name of the game.
When they play the Dodgers, I hope they strikeout every time at bat.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 29, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Werth did make his major-league debut with the Blue Jays
Though they thought so much of him they traded him to LA for a 25-year AA pitcher, Jason Frasor.
Now, I can be happy for Werth
Dodgers didn’t give him much of a chance to prove himself after his injury
Well, the Dodgers were the first team
to give him significant playing time. Without that shot, he may be working in a video store somewhere right now.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 29, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodger didn't exactly give Victorino a shot
they kept trying to give him away. One of few double rule V players that I can remember. First the Padres had to force feed him at the major league level and then we decided to give him away again.
We did however give Werth his first full time gig and then late him play with a bad wrist for a full year.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
or retired
lets see if i can name them
jose valentin, paul lo duca, shawn green
who else?
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
1-1
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
WIOW
i was just about to say….
texiera is gonna get a pass this postseason for sucking so much cause he has gotten 2 big hits,,, and has otherwise been horrible.. but then he ties the games
It would appear Hairston
was not the answer to Pedro tonight.
I noticed this much, much earlier in the postseason, but...
The Yankees really haven’t done a whole lot with runners in scoring position. A lot of their damage was done by solo home runs and taking advantage of errors (especially in the ALCS). Nobody really talked about it because the Yankees were winning, but if they lose tonight…
yeah
they have gotten plenty of luck.. just like the phils…
its not always about talent.. sometimes you need some luck too and thts part of the reason they are in the WS now
He need a really easy fifth.
The Phils bullpen against the Yankees lineup is not good for anyone looking for a Phils victory.
Why don't they hire someone else ever?
I mean when they do survey’s or whatever, does he really score that high?
I have no idea. I assumed he was part of the broadcast package that the Dodgers don’t own at the moment.
Vin and the announcers are employed by the team
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Martin will enjoy the kind of success next year
That Kemp and Ethier had this year. We can dream…
I was thinking a Phils and Yanks series
would have a lot more long balls than we’ve seen so far but I guess it’s early in the series
I still think Posada should have started tonight, but that was a tremendously great pickoff throw by Molina to nail Werth.
I especially liked the sneakiness of throwing just behind Ibanez’s head (almost Roseboro-esque, if you will) to get the throw off more quickly.
Did the announcers ravage Werth for being so boneheaded as to be picked off first with no outs and two LH hitters due up?
I don’t remember what they said (I am reading the Bill Simmons “Book of Basketball” simultaneously)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
So the Phillies announcers just explained the Burnett/Molina thing to me.
Burnett is afraid to bounce a curveball with Posada catching. But Molina will catch it. So Burnett can safely bounce curveballs when Molina catches.
But Tim said last night that Posada “absorbs” all pitches. So what’s up with that?
by 68elcamino427 on Oct 29, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think announcer etiquette says
you can’t call managers morons. Thus, it becomes necessary to say stupid things.
Plaschke has a new column out on the McCourts, sort of
It’s really, a how great Bill Plaschke is column. Vapid and vacuous.
2-1 yanquis
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
Pedro's changeup is still a thing of beauty
I think that is one of the most fantastic pitches I’ve ever witnessed.
this game is boring fox
put on the wanda sykes show already!
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
I like Wanda Sykes
but she will be battling George Lopez for quickest cancellation
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
it will be as successful as the Rosie O Donnell Sketch show....
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
A more successful show would be drawing sketches of Rosie O’Donnell!
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Grief, Bill Plaschke
I knew he’d get around to dragging his hate for Manny into the conversation about the McCourts divorce
I only read the first few paragraphs
and it made me want to break stuff. Why does that guy have a job?
I don't hate him all the time
But when things are going bad for the Dodgers look to Bill Plaschke to make us feel oh so worse about it. Even TJ Simers manages to lift up fans at least part of the time.
I can tolerate Simers
because he seems to generally have his tongue firmly planted in his cheek. But Plaschke actually thinks he is saying things of value and takes himself seriously.
I broke one of my rules
and read the damn article. Now I remembered why I don’t read him.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much.
I’m also wondering why Plaschke waited so long to get pizza when (1) there is ample time from the end of interviews up until game time, especially for someone “only” writing a column, due much later in the night, and (2) he could have just eaten in the press dining room for $9 (although maybe he just wanted pizza; still, he didn’t need to go during the game)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
nice play by jeter there
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
It sounds like Girardi already said he would use Rivera for two innings tonight in a save situation
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
that was wierdest shit ever
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
the wierdest
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
Ok that was wierd
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
is manuel pulling a grady little?
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
no wait nevamind
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
Well, in the NLCS we already saw what happens when you pull Pedro too soon
So I think history has a way of making Pedro look bad no matter how he does it
wil burnett come out to pitch at all in the 8th??
or do you guys think its rivera 2 innings time
Mo is already throwing
I don’t think they would have him up already if he wasn’t coming out to start the 8th
they break it open here
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
Apparently oblivious
to the fact that baseball history is made time and again by players not doing what the announcers think they should do
In the "all 1.50 ERAs are not created equal" department
Scott Eyre.
ERA – 1.50
FIP – 4.68
x-FIP – 5.28
And he gives up a lineout (short hop, bad call) double play to get two outs! :)
Depression commercial
and bad calls
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
Rolled into one
it’s a Bud Light commercial
by StolenMonkey86 on Oct 29, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
In all fairness
that was incredibly close. Those kind of calls will get blown occaisionally. Its not like the Mauer foul ball or the Swisher not tagging at third thing.
Trying to find a clip of the 2005 White Sox Angels ALCS
Where Pierzynski was allowed 1st on a weird call
So Howard must have thrown to second knowing it wasn’t a catch. He would have beaten the runner back to 1B for the easier, unassisted DP, yes?
Someday I will understand why Rivera is so good.
I don’t understand how a guy can get by on one pitch so well.
But I'll never understand
Why Rivera didn’t surrender the #42
by aducker on Oct 29, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
what happens when he gets retired???
2 number 42’s ????
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
I know he wears it with respect to Robinson
But the same could be said about many players. Numbers are retired for a reason.
And of all the numbers
Its the one that was retired by the entire league. Seems to me that if every team can agree that the number should be retired, nobody should be grandfathered in.
Rivera wasn't the only one grandfathered in
There was someone else, but I can’t remember who. Mo Vaughn, maybe?
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 29, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Rivera only gives up #42 on Jackie Robinson day when everybody else is wearing it
He just loves to be difficult…
RYAN HOWARD!
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
bleh this looks familiar
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
will he walk matt stairs
cause hes big and swings hard,? and hes scared of him??
still dont understand why he did that
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
phillies fans are probably thinking
Lets get carlos ruiz up to the plate….
or at least dodger fans rooting for phily are thinking that
Sit down Stairs!
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
I sent a series of tweets to Bill Plaschke asking him to publish the proposed trade for Cliff Lee on the Dodgers side.
Doubt he’ll respond, but it felt good.
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