Dodgers Announce Lineup, Rotation: Hudson Out, Padilla Before Billingsley
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 1:26 PM PDT
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| NLDS: Cardinals vs. Dodgers | |||
| Game 1 | Wed | Dodger Stadium |
6:37pm |
| Game 2 | Thu | Dodger Stadium | 3:07pm |
| Game 3 | Sat | Busch Stadium | 3:07pm |
| Game 4* | Sun | Busch Stadium | TBD |
| Game 5* |
Oct 13 |
Dodger Stadium | TBD |
| *if necessary | All times Pacific | ||
| All games televised on TBS | |||
After the home opener in April, you would have won a lot of money if you suggested the man who hit for the cycle and the man who struck out 11 Giants wouldn't be in the starting lineup for game one of the playoffs.
Joe Torre announced the pitching rotation for the division series against the Cardinals, as well as the lineup for game one. Here's the lineup:
Furcal SS
Kemp CF
Ethier RF
Manny LF
Loney 1B
Blake 3B
Belliard 2B
Martin C
Wolf P
The notable omission is Orlando Hudson, who sat in favor of Ronnie Belliard quite often in September. Belliard has been smoking line drives (24.6% of balls in play) since his arrival from Washington on August 30, and hit .351/.398/.636 with five home runs and 17 runs batted in in 24 games in blue. Hudson got off to a tremendous start, hitting .332/.407/.469 in the first two months, but has hit just .253/.325/.385 since.
To follow Randy Wolf and Clayton Kershaw in the starting rotation, Torre has tabbed Vicente Padilla to start game three on Saturday in St. Louis. If there is a game four, it would be started by Chad Billingsley. Torre noted that he was "a little more comfortable with where Padilla is right now."
The other potential starting candidate, Jon Garland, will be used in the bullpen during the NLDS.
Torre also mentioned he has not decided whether or not Jim Thome would make the playoff roster.
Full postseason rosters are due tomorrow at 10am.
UPDATE: The Yankees have chosen to start their series Wednesday, which means game two of the Dodgers/Cardinals series at Dodger Stadium will start at 3:07pm on Thursday.
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"I'm gonna be in that playoff rotation next year!"
by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
C’mon…he might make the Dukes Isotopes
by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see him filling the James McDonald role next postseason
It’s not impossible anyway.
If he comes out firing on all cylinders I don’t see why he couldn’t be fast-tracked up to the majors.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 on the bandwagon! That didn’t take long…just 162 games…
by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Withrow will be 21 next year
The same age Billingsley pitched in the playoffs against the Mets.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya. I could see the same role for Withrow, like the role JMac filled at the end of last season.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing Withrow, Billingsley, and McDonald
Withrow and McDonald line up nicely. In 2007 McDonald split time between the Cal League and Jacksonville. Withrow did in 2009. Billingsley is a bit tougher to equalize as he also spent time in A+ (Vero Beach) and Jacksonville, yet he would throw another full year in Jacksonville, and would start 2006 in Las Vegas before joining the Dodgers in 2006. For this comparison I used his Age 19 season which was split between A+ and AA.
McDonald: FIP 2.78 (Age 22)
Withrow: FIP 2.97 (Age 20)
Billingsley: FIP 3.23 (Age 19)
Considering that Withrow’s numbers compare favorably with Billingsley (though he’s 1 year older) I don’t think its outrageous to see him with the Dodgers next season. JMac had the best numbers of the 3, yet he was the oldest, and Withrow was not far off that pace. As we now know, the year after JMac posted the impressive numbers above, he was called up when rosters expanded and pitched in the playoffs.
Withrow shouldn’t be ruled out for pitching with the Dodgers next year.
Note :I calculated the FIP by myself using a factor of 3.20. So if the numbers don’t match up exactly with websites which provide FIP for minor leaguers, that is likely why.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JMac was about
19-20 in terms of pitcher years/experience though.
by kensai on Oct 6, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure Hudson isn't happy about it
but I like the move. Belliard has the chance to hit it out and I don’t think Hudson has that power at this point in the year.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets be honest - the difference b/t Hudson and Belliard is negligible at this point
I don’t think it really matters all that much.
by oshea2002 on Oct 6, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Belliard scares the hell out of me with a glove on his hand.
by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Castro entering
after Belly ABs
by stillnotah8er on Oct 6, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think it is negligible?
Do you think Belliards hot bat cancels out his ok defense at second base?
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hudson hasn’t really hit for four months.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically
And it’s 1 game. The difference b/t the two guys in 1 game is gonna be luck really. We need runs, so I’m ok playing the hot bat. Especially with Wolf starting – I think we need offense in that game. With Kid K, I’m going back to Hudson.
by oshea2002 on Oct 6, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Kid K strikes out more batters
Meaning you shouldn’t worry as much about the defense behind him as you would with, say Garland.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I just think defense and keeping the game close is imperative in that one. For some reason I think Wolf is good for like 3 runs in 7 innings, and that we need offense in the lineup.
by oshea2002 on Oct 6, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant to say was
Do you think Belliards ok defense at 2nd base cancels out his hot power bat?
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
I think it’s just playing the hot hand. If he goes 0-4, you’ll see O Dog the next day
by oshea2002 on Oct 6, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt belliard's leash is that short.
... we sittin here talking about practice. not a game, not a game.
by wongy on Oct 7, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense is the difference. Good D is one of the big advantages over the Cards. But I don’t hate this move.
by LA Taco on Oct 6, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious what the reason for switching Billingsley and Padilla is
With Garland not listed in the starting rotation, I expect he will be left off the post-season roster.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The reason is exactly what I mentioned yesterday
We don’t want Padilla pitching with the season possibly on the line in Game 4.
by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I though they might use him as a long reliever
Difference between Dodger Fans and Cardinal Fans is WE DON'T GIVE STANDING OVATIONS FOR SACRIFICE BUNTS
by Sordid on Oct 6, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
If we need a long reliever, we’re probably going to lose that game anyway. No sense in using a roster spot on a long-reliever. Just let JMac do it.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pineiro hasn't been lights out either recently
So I’m not sure that’s a guaranteed loss
by oshea2002 on Oct 6, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pineiro has to regress to the mean
I mean, he just has to dammit!
There’s no way he’s as good as his numbers this year.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Dave Duncan is the Jesus of fixing pitchers :)
Difference between Dodger Fans and Cardinal Fans is WE DON'T GIVE STANDING OVATIONS FOR SACRIFICE BUNTS
by Sordid on Oct 6, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree.
If Joe needs to pull a pitcher in the first or second after giving up a couple of quick runs, having Garland could mean 6 innings out of the pen instead of 3. The potential is there to save your short bullpen arms.
by BlueBulldog on Oct 6, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you want 6 Garland innings as opposed to 3?
the rest of the Dodger bullpen is very good. That is the team strength. You don’t want the 5th best starting pitcher pitching any more than necessary.
It’s not like the regular season when you want an innings eater to just get you through to the next game.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he can pitch 6, let him pitch 6
there’s no need to waste the bullpen if the dodgers ending up falling behind more and more. what happens if we used say sherrill and belisario? they wouldn’t be available the next day if they threw a lot of pitches.
... we sittin here talking about practice. not a game, not a game.
by wongy on Oct 7, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If its a Blow Out
I’d rather save the other guy’s arms
by bearface on Oct 7, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still question having your best stuff going in games 2 and 4
I know it’s too late, but I still liked Kershaw, Bills, Wolf, and Padilla in that order. Plus I like Wolf starting the first game in St Lou, and Bills starting at home.
by oshea2002 on Oct 6, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind Billingsley starting on the road
That way, if he walks a batter, he doesn’t have to worry about hearing home town fans boo him.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other problem with him in Game 4
is that I think it’s likely we’re down 2-1 at that point. I’m not conceding game 3, but I agree with you that it’s probably a loss. That’s a lot of pressure on Chad, on the road, at this point.
by oshea2002 on Oct 6, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think game 3 is a loss
I think that if we find ourselves in a situation where we need a long reliever, most likely we will lose that game.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Belliard over ODog really says is that ODog will definitely not be a Dodger next year.
by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it was a long shot at this point anyways. As long as they spend that money wisely (or at all) I’m fine with moving on.
by oshea2002 on Oct 6, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya i think that is fairly safe to say
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
by Ollie on Oct 6, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the long term contract ODog wants is out there
Difference between Dodger Fans and Cardinal Fans is WE DON'T GIVE STANDING OVATIONS FOR SACRIFICE BUNTS
by Sordid on Oct 6, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it. Maybe a two year deal from the Giants or something.
That is my guess.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But don't the Giants have Freddy Sanchez
Difference between Dodger Fans and Cardinal Fans is WE DON'T GIVE STANDING OVATIONS FOR SACRIFICE BUNTS
by Sordid on Oct 6, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
What is left Sanchez’ deal?
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
$8 million club option for 2010 ($600k buyout)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't say I'm excited about slappy manny followed by home loney
but I like the looks of everything else
by stillnotah8er on Oct 6, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Roster prediction
Catchers: Martin, Ausmus
Infielders: Loney, Belliard, Furcal, Blake, Hudson, Castro
Outfielders: Ramirez, Kemp, Ethier, Pierre
LH Pinch Hitter: Thome
Mystery spot: Loretta OR Eyechart OR DeWitt
Starters: Wolf, Kershaw, Padilla, Billingsley
Relievers: Broxton, Sherrill, Kuo, Troncoso, Belisario, McDonald, Garland
by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we're down 2-0 do we move Bills forward
or rest the hopes of our season in padilla’s hands?
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
by Ollie on Oct 6, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If your down 2-0
You have to win 3-0 next games. The order doesn’t matter. Its Padilla Bills Wolf.
by Dodger Dude on Oct 6, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
You wanna know how great baseball is? The greatest basketball player ever left his sport to play baseball.
by Jesse Sparks on Oct 6, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but if you win Game 3
you have the option of bringing Wolf back on short rest.
by kensai on Oct 6, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love Bills in game 3 if we're down 2-0
you’re regarded as done at that point, I doubt there’d be any pressure. I think down 2-1 in a game 4 is more pressure.
by oshea2002 on Oct 6, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Padilla out-pitched Billingsley, I think it’s a no brainer to go him him in game 3.
by Epic Phail on Oct 6, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What year?
Was Bills in Jr. High?
Game 3 is only more important than game 4 if Dodgers are up 2-0 and want to close the door.
by Dodger Dude on Oct 6, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep. trying to sell my tix now.
can’t get out of work.
by DJDodger on Oct 6, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SELL SELL SELL
the bottom just fell out of the market
by Dodger Dude on Oct 6, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if people start selling that could cause a crash in playoff prices :)
Difference between Dodger Fans and Cardinal Fans is WE DON'T GIVE STANDING OVATIONS FOR SACRIFICE BUNTS
by Sordid on Oct 6, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They seriously won't let you leave early?
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm an assistant
so that’s a no, but going tomorrow and have tix to game 5 :)
by DJDodger on Oct 6, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is dicked man. Letting you go early one day when you have playoff tics....
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and my boss is european and doesn't think baseball is a real sport
so, don’t get me started…
by DJDodger on Oct 6, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
time for a case of the swine flu.
by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or a doctor's appt in the valley
those are the 2 options i’ve considered.
by DJDodger on Oct 6, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im going to talk to my boss around 315 today. Already nervous to hear the way he will tell me no.
by delias man on Oct 6, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must be pretty fortunate in life
because I have always had bosses that were ok with things like this.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Ian Capilouto method of getting a day off of work;
“Hey bossman, I have this (insert really important thing to do) so I am going to need to get off early that day.”
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My old boss just would have demanded I take him with me
by oshea2002 on Oct 6, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I like working for a realitively small company
I am not just leaving early for the game, I am leaving this afternoon so I can drive down to LA go to games 1 and 2 then come home on Saturday. Missing 3 days of work, using vacation time, everyone including my boss up to the company owner is excited for me and would not dream of saying no. If necessary I can be reached on my cell or email except during game time. Now I may have a little difficulty making game 5 if necessary, but i hope to not have to worry about that. Go Blue!
by MammothDodger on Oct 6, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bellie Vs. Odog
They have very similar numbers offensively with Bellie having the power edge (probably from those HRs as a Dodger). Torre is probably thinking he will get fewer hits anyway so he wants to score when he gets them.
O-dog will be right back in there at the first lead after pinch hitting. He is still a very much a part of the team.
Bills Padilla order is pretty meaningless other than game 3 starter can start game 1 of NLCS and game 4 starter would not start until game 2. If it goes to five, Kersh is Game 1 anyway, so it really doesn’t matter. Probably has more to do with matchups, if Bills is on, it’s a sure victory against their #4, if Bills is off, team still has a chance to get back in it against #4.
by Dodger Dude on Oct 6, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn the Yankees for making us play at 3PM
by Epic Phail on Oct 6, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So looking forward to seeing Padilla
in Game 3 (not really), since I will be there in person. Would be nice to see Billingsley too, though maybe the Dodgers will just win 3-0, and take the ROR.
by elsid on Oct 6, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Lineup Looks Like Joe is trying to have one man on when we hit a home run.
He probably doesn’t have a lot of faith in the run machine working.
by Dodger Dude on Oct 6, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A big fat HA HA to all those who said Belliard would not be starting over Hudson. Here and on DT. Actions baby, actions. I thought for sure the groin would keep Hudson in but until then it seemed obvious who Joe preferred. We didn’t win from the time Belliard pulled his groin until he got the key pinch hit for the 1st run on Saturday Night.
Hudson will be better off the bench since he can actually run. That bench is looking old and tired other then Pierre/Hudson with Thome, Castro, Loretta, and Ausmus. Once we cut down to 25 our bench is one big punchless group and the guy with the most punch can barely walk.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well, I never said he would, but...
…as you know, I think he SHOULD- even with Hudson hitting not much better than a utility infielder the last 2/3 or the season, some of his defensive gems went a long, long way towards winning close ball games. And yeah, part of my opinion is based on sentiment; I’m still somewhat shocked that a waiver-deadline acquisition is starting over our All Star second baseman. Not only that, but he’s starting against a RIGHT handed pitcher, when Hudson is a switch hitter. Torre must REALLY feel strongly about this.
I just hope Belli proves me wrong in the post season as he did in the regular season… :/
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got to believe
that Hudson is hurt just enough that Joe knows he can’t give him 100% but enough to help on the bench. Belliard can’t exactly be Mr. Mobile given that the last time he got on base he took himself out and that was just three days ago.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pixie dust only lasts so long
I’m a big Rolly Polly fan but he must have used up his alottment in Sept. Wouldn’t shock me at all if he is terrible on both offense and defense.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just hope
Belliard doesn’t chose now to revert back to being a shitty player.
Like Marlon Anderson did.
by kensai on Oct 6, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He never was a shitty player
We have different opinions of what shitty constitutes, but I think you are biased because you didn’t like him while I did, and he kicked Rolly Polly Garate ass.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shitty
Below average hitter, below average defender, below average baserunner.
“Meh” then, how about that?
I’m not biased, numbers and context always speak for themselves. :P
by kensai on Oct 6, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm kind of a what have you done for me lately
For three straight years he’s had an OPS+ of 100 or greater. In 2008 and now 2009 Belliard has been the best hitting 2nd baseman in the NL other then Utely.
In 2008 2nd half 150 at bats / 897 OPS
In 2009 2nd Half 175 at bats / 938 OPS
As a 2nd baseman. I just have this feeling you are forgetting he’s a 2nd baseman. Is Hudson shitty?
You can focus on older stat’s I’ll take the ones he’s putting up in the last three years.
Using careers stats never quite makes sense to me when someone is trending up over a three year period. All I care about is how they are doing in the recent past and for three years Rolly Polly has been a solid performer. Reserve “shitty” for those who deserve it.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm kind of a what is your true talent level
because a player is more likely to perform like that over any given sample size than not. Probability for me, basically.
wOBA is below league average, even recently with his BABIP powered 2008, which rightly places more value on not making outs.
He’s below league average in every other facet of the game. He’s not something I necessarily rally for is all. Belliard has proven to be below average over his career, Hudson has proven to be average to above average in his recent career. Not a huge difference, but neither is anything I get excited about. I said similar things about Hudson when he was signed. Mediocre OPS outside of hitter’s park in Arizona, downtrend in defense, etc.
Either way, the inferences I see from a lot of fans suggesting Belliard is a legitimately good player because of 100 at-bats is laughable to me. Like believing Garland is god or Padilla is a #1 starter. To me, that’s about as valid as saying Kemp should be benched because he has a .650 OPS in September. It’s like “why, have his underlying skills changed in the last 3 weeks?”
Same reason i’ve been down on Loney. I’ve always supported him, but the numbers and lack of progress lead me in other directions, despite my past opinions. I guess you could say he’s not shitty either, he’s just…below average, and therefore not desirable to me unless he shows something, which is looking less and less likely as years pass.
by kensai on Oct 7, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3:07 start time!!
Dodger Stadium is gonna look like ATL during those 75 consecutive Division titles.
Lots of empty seats.
by NotJoeTorre on Oct 6, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Scalpers cannot be happy
For a World Series game it wouldn’t matter but a game one division series I think you are right. Then again with the unemployment rate so high what a better way to enjoy a forced furlough then at Dodger Stadium where the prices should be reasonable.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My dad owns
Designer Tickets in Sherman Oaks.. I havent asked him yet but I am sure hes not happy.
But then again I know he is selling Yanks tix.. Stupid NYY
by NotJoeTorre on Oct 6, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just looked at the photo at the top. Hard to believe Hudson fell from all-star 2nd baseman to sitting on the bench for Rolly Polly. And Billingsley gets moved down a notch by a guy whose team ate $12 Milllllliiiiiiiiioooooooonnnnnnn dollars to send his ass out of town.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not to mention a guy who, when released, prompted his ex-teammates to personally thank and shake the hand of the GM.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It still boggles my mind
that Texas completely ate that contract and here he is starting in the playoffs. Maybe he will be part of some cinderalla story and we can just tag along for the ride.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and at least it is because he is pitching well. And he has been (not just in the last start).
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
he kind of deserves the start based on performance. Wouldn’t it be pretty fucking funny if he stars in the playoffs and gets another $12 Million dollar deal. He could be the Tim Thomas of baseball. You know the Bulls twice at that guys contract. Twice.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Tim Thomas of baseball
Ugh. That sounds awful.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if he plays like he did
for the Suns for a month.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree 100%
looking at that picture kind of makes me sad, actually. I’m just glad Broxton didn’t fall from grace, too, especially considering that it looked like he would for a little while there.
I just hope that Hudson & Bills- especially Bills- can still be prove to be positive difference makers in round 1…
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, but...
Broxton is not our guy.
Right?
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, where was sarcastro9 in july/august when broxton was damn near run out of town on a rail (a-la Bills in aug/sep) here on TBLA?
by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa...what?!
I don’t understand why you think I’m anti-Billingsley. Just ‘cause I’m frustrated with his 6th inning collapses, like everyone else?
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he meant why weren’t you here in broxton’s defense back then. :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"(a-la Bills in aug/sep)"
I think was in reference to my frustration at his failing to close out the 6th in San Diego.
Anyway, here’s what I wrote on on forums.mlb.com on August 26th:
“I am tired of all the bagging on- through various points of the season and to varying degrees- Martin, Loney, Broxton, Billingsley, and yes, even Ethier (remember May, anyone?). I was at a Mets game yesterday, and as a local commentator observed, Gary Sheffield ran after fly balls like he was playing at a charity softball event. Now THAT is a player who deserves to be bagged on- a former superstar in his 40’s, acting like he doesn’t want to be there. "
I’ve been criticized for a lot of things- on message boards and real life- but not defending our players isn’t usually one of them.
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your first problem
engaging in conversations on the mlb.com forums.
Yuck.
:)
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, I learned my lesson
that’s why I’m always here now! :))
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess who got this lineup EXACTLY right?
by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we link to all your Lindblom posts too? :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those predictions had the team’s best interests in mind, though. They were killed by a lack of roster space, not for lack of need.
by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seemed like the last thing we needed was another relief pitcher
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Ned felt the same way when he traded Bell and Johnson.
by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not even going to bother looking
since you wouldn’t have posted unless it was you. Good call
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anybody think
that maybe they saw something in Billingsley’s simulated game that bumped him down to #4?
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard he was great for four innings
and then walked three straight simulated batters before giving up a simulated grand slam.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I would like to know where Bills and Nightstalker stood on Sunday morning relative to one another.
How much weight was given to Padilla’s Sunday game and/or Bills on Monday?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see my nightstalker comp is still alive w/at least someone here
by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Padilla
has a resemblance to our Nightstalker which might have been before your time.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just was reading a book in Barnes and Noble the other day
about Richard Ramirez. What a maniac he was and I can see the resemblance to Padilla for sure. I remember my parents tying the dogs up outside our windows when he was doing his thing.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it called the Night Stalker?
I read that book, gave me the chills in some scenes.
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 6, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think so.
It was all about his killings and the second half was about all the chicks who dig his sinister looks. WhenI got back to work I looked him up on wikipedia and since then I make sure to lock my doors and windows at night.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am at work
the pic you are trying to display is being blocked for some reason.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense at 2B
UZR/150 (measures runs above average per 150 games)
Belliard 2009: +5.2
Hudson 2009: -3.6
Belliard career: +0.4
Hudson career: +2.4
Plus/Minus (compares plays made vs. average)
Runs saved:
Belliard 2009: +3 in 403 innings
Hudson 2009: +6 in 1272.1 innings
Hudson is way better on popups and balls to his left. Belliard is way better on balls to his right. I wonder if that is due to positioning preferences.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
now that you mention it
it does seem like all- and I mean ALL of Hudson’s gems occur towards 1st base/right field…
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that Belliard will actually try to tag a baserunner:)
If we lose a game because a ball falls between Belly and Andre we will hear screaming. Andre is going to have to play RF as though Jeff Kent was still playing.
Last year we went with Blake DeWitt at 2nd base and he had a nice impact on the Chicago series, then failed miserably in the Phillie series. I think.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well to be fair,
he had what would have been a memorable home run in game 4. We know what happened next. :(
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offense
2009
Belliard .277/.325/.451, 102 OPS+
Hudson .283/.357/.417, 104 OPS+
2008-2009
Belliard: .282/.350/.463, 112 OPS+
Hudson .292/.361/.431, 106 OPS+
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not much of a difference
Except Belly has more pop
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 6, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still close enough to let Hudson play.
Torre riding the hot hand.
by delias man on Oct 6, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep- career numbers have nothing to do with it
if anything, Torre’d probably give Hudson the nod just because he’s been there all year, all things being equal. This is almost certainly about the way each has been swinging the bat lately.
Then again…anyone know what Hudson’s incentives are for playoff at bats? :))
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Translation
Belliard over Hudson is defensible. Get it? :)
Especially when you factor in Hudson’s injury history and relative suckiness since June 1, and I really don’t have a problem with either one playing.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just surprised the groin healed enough that he can start
last time I saw him he was limping off the field Saturday Night.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm normally a Twinkie
fan but I’m rooting for the Tigers in this one.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rooting for the Tigers because their pitchers have a better shot to beat NYY?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No because I'd like to see Edwin Jackson beat the Yankee's
and I do think the Tigers have a decent team and the Twins don’t.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also rooting for the Tigers
as my dad has always been a Tiger fan so I’ve always followed the team to some degree.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the Tigers were tired of hearing how the Twins were destined to win this
Which is the bigger disappointment- have a commanding lead, only to throw it away, or to come soooooo close to stealing a division, only to lose out at the very end?
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can answer this
1980 haunts me to this very day but I’ll never forget the incredible weekend that got us to the tiebreaker game. Better to have come so close then not have come at all.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what Pete Campbell’s wife said on Mad Men.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miguel C. just formally apologized to his teammates.
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 6, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol indeed
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
by Ollie on Oct 6, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was that about not wanting Miggy?
:)
by LA Taco on Oct 6, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
from Ben Maller on Twitter:
#Dodgers Press Box closed because of medical emergency, media forced to work out of luxury boxes. http://twitpic.com/kiw8n
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 2:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe vic the d committed hari kari to give the dodgers some mojo?
Feeling you!
by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish I knew how to speak
Spanish.. I have no idea what he is talkin about half the time.
by NotJoeTorre on Oct 6, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am surprised
he hasnt confessed his love for Manny.
Vic must be the founder of the Manny 4 life fan club
by NotJoeTorre on Oct 6, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As big of a win it was for 21 year old Kershaw to get on Saturday
Rick Porcello putting in a great start today would be even more impressive.
by mwhite06 on Oct 6, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lehland has guts to start him
Reaaaaaaaaally impressed with Porcello so far.
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 6, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morales, Tollbert , and Punto are the last three hitters in the Twinkie lineup. Shades of Dodgers in 2005
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They totally take away
from how good their top 6 hitters are.
by NotJoeTorre on Oct 6, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
I’m not the biggest fan of Cuddyer and Young either.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young
is garbage.. I agree.
I went to the same HS as Kubel.. gotta root for the hometown hero.
by NotJoeTorre on Oct 6, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tigers up 3-1 in the retrodome
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And he strikes out the Kubel
to escape further damage.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
3-1
Porcello gets out of the jam. 49 pitches through 4 innings.
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 6, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh sick!
i found a link!!!
woooooooooo
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i think i hoping the tigers win
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
porcello is dealin
like how kershaw was on saturday
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if the Tigers win
they can then go and slap the Yankees around a bit.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Horrible news
from Bernie Miklasz, in the Dodger Stadium press box:
“Strange and sad situation in Dodger Stadium press box. Stadium employee collapsed and died. Body still there. Writers relocated”
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
very sad...
RIP
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrible news
I hope it wasn’t the cook, he was a cool dude, but I’m sure he’s older then 49.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh damn u mlb
$10 to watch the postseason online
it was free last year!
ugh oh well…beats these crappy online streams i guess….
im sucha cheapskate…
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we can watch the games online
even if we’re within the local area? No blackouts?!
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk
they better not black out local games…what would be the fucking point of that?
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk, either
but they always block out local games on MLB.com, which is very bizarre to me. I think the blackout rules have been in effect so long, people stopped questioning the sanity of it. From the buyers to the sellers, everyone would be happier if fans could at least be given the OPPORTUNITY to be ripped off by their local cable company or ISP! I’d be far less grumpy about the $5/$10/$15 a month extra I’d have to pay to watch the games than to not be able to watch them at all.
by sarcastro9 on Oct 6, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i checked
i dont think theyre going to black out local playoff games
it said theyre blacking out games to people out side the US in puerto rico and canada
at the same time im not 100% sure
i just bought it cause i want to watch the twins game
i hope i didnt get ripped off….
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I refuse to see this poor guys demise
as an omen.
by Ian Capilouto on Oct 6, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That was an awful headline. I didn’t notice it until after I posted the link
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
twins take the lead :(
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
biggest home run of OCab's career, wow
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 6, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the dome exploded
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tie game 4-4
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Has an 163 game ever disappointed?
Holy shit this game is insane!
by PHAT JULIO on Oct 6, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, one hundred fucking disapointments in 1980
you kids kill me.
by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And to think, within the last hour, I locked up my secondary-market bought seats for Game 3 at Busch...
…to find out I’m shelling out for Vicente is an interesting feeling.
But psyched to be representing the Blue in the land of the Arch!
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Oct 6, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably my fault for not checking TBLA earlier in the day...
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Oct 6, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jesus
the twins/tigers game is fucking epic!
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 6, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
also a nice reminder
of why the dodgers need at least one pair of decent legs no the bench besides JP
by stillnotah8er on Oct 6, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure why you think they would need two pinch runners.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if they had decent hitters on the bench
they wouldn’t have failed so hard at scoring in the first place :o
by kensai on Oct 7, 2009 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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