2nd base Dodger rumors
by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2009 10:46 AM PST
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We all know we have a hole at 2nd base so plenty of rumors coming our way.
1. Alberto Callaspo for AJ Ellis - on the surface that seems quite improbable however according to Plus/Minus Callaspo was the worse fielding 2nd baseman in baseball last year, and evidently AJ Ellis is quite revered for his glove.UZR also had Alberto as a -7 so we might be able to agree that Callaspo had a bad year defensively in 2009. Is that enough to negate an .813 OPS? In 2010 Bill James expects him to regress back to .755 with an wOBA of .333.
2. Kevin Kennedy said he heard the Dodgers are kicking the tires on Uggla. Uggla should be able to maintain his .800 - .825 OPS but again we are talking about a terrible fielding 2nd baseman who is about to get expensive.
3. MLBTR picked the Dodgers as the landing place for Felipe Lopez. Future offense probably very close to Callaspo but a plus defensively according to UZR in 2009. However in 2008 he was a negative so his defensive metrics have not been very consistent.
4. Jamie Carrol - surely as a backup and not as the main guy, right?
5. Luis Castillo - swap of bad contracts. He's 34, bad wheels, no power, only skill left is OB. He's what DeJesus would be except DeJesus is 12 years younger and would cost nothing. I'd much rather give away Pierre and eat 1/2 his contract then take on two years of Castillo. But hey, it could be worse.
Add to the list as the winter rumors continue to swirl.
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Brandon Phillips
The Reds are shopping him, but he’ll be too expensive for us, and I mean ‘prospects’ expensive.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 11, 2009 10:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
not only prospect expensive..
but eric pointed out that his salary is also wayyy too expensive..
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2-years/ 17.75 million dollars is expensive??
Nevermind. I will never say the words ‘Brandon Phillips’ ever again.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 11, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is expensive when the club might not offer arb to Hudson for the risk of a one year deal at close to that rate.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know
i meant that headline as a joke. One of the many flaws in text… No emotion.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 11, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As unlikely as it is
might as well throw Polanco in the “maybe” list. Although he is a Type A.
Also, a Pierre for Luis Castillo swap seems reasonable (even with Castillo’s defensive shortcomings), given the salary neutrality of the deal.
I think 2B in 2010 will end up being some combo of Belliard and DeWitt.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
is felipe lopez a Type A or B
if hes a Type B and only wants a 2 year deal less or about 10 to 12 million i think he would be the Best option…
Furcal
Lopez
Ethier
Kemp
Ramirez
Loney
Blake
Martin
Pitcher
that would be a nice lineup espeiclaly considering felipe lopez OBP last year was .383.. he would be perfect guy in front of ethier to get on base.. and hes a switch hitter with plus defense…
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
do you think he will get more then 2 years 12 mill?
or will the dodgers even offer that much??
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2/$12 sounds about right, but I doubt the Dodgers would offer that much.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Freddy Sanchez just signed for 2/12 and is a similar player, a slightly better hitter, but slightly older. I’d guess 2/12 is about a top offer for Lopez, especially since there are some other 2Bs out there.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't want to deal with FLA
They will try to fleece us for Uggla (Withrow plus others).
Forget it.
by silverwidow on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
HanRam on the other hand...
They can pick any 5 minor leaguers they want.
Furcal (2B)
Ethier
HanRam
Manny
Kemp
Loney
Blake
Martin
World title.
by silverwidow on Nov 11, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why is manny batting 4th
i would have him 5th
by XXDC2XX on Nov 11, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for hermida they got 2 relief prospects
one is a loogy at best and the other was not even in the top 75 for the red sox system…
can they really ask for that much for uggla?
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Polanco or Phillips
are my favorite rumored options. I still think there’s a way the Dodgers could make BP work, though I’d fear what prospects they’d have to give up for him. But I don’t even think him that expensive, given he’s younger than ODog and yet the latter will be asking for similar contract in length and expense. Lopez would be okay too.
Say no to Callaspo.
Uggla would be a fantastic… DH.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Obviously Joe Torre Knows More Than I Do
But to me it looks like we could have a guy who hit .283, won a gold glove, and was an all-star this year in O-Dog. The fans love him, his teammates seem to love him. It’s too bad that Torre doesn’t, because I would love for him to be back on the team.
by bearface on Nov 11, 2009 11:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yes, yes, yes.
I’ve never understood the disliking of Hudson by Torre. Maybe he pooped in his desk droor?
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Nov 12, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dammit dewitt
if you want a job next summer you better start hitting the ball
by hirambocachica on Nov 11, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dammit Ian,
If you want a job, you better move out of the State of California, because they are idiots who run the state and I am frustrated! I just want a librarian job after I spent all the time and money to get this goddamn degree and there is nothing! This recession sucks and I need a job. There I said it!
by Ian Capilouto on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the rant.
I just spent all morning filling out applications for jobs that do not exist.
by Ian Capilouto on Nov 11, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another option
although from Jon Heyman so take with a grain of salt:
mark derosa already has received calls from #yankees, #mariners, #nats, #dodgers, #phils, #rangers, #orioles, #giants
by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You’d think there’s no way they’d pay him more than Casey Blake, right?
by pdotmac1 on Nov 11, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dodgers 2nd base option rankings..
1. felipe lopez… i would love that .383 OBP in front of ethier and kemp to offset furcal and his .330 OBP
2. Brandon Phillips. If we can trade for him it would be great. hes an all star..
3. Dan Uggla- would give us 4 potential 30 home run hitters in our lineup wth kemp manny ethier and him..
4. In house/Belliard Platoon.. Dewitt plays against RHP and belliard plays against LHP.. im not very high on dewitt after that year in AAA tho
5. Callaspo- Doesnt strike out much and would be James loney 2.0 with his dependability to put the ball in play and drive in some runs..
6 Polonco- worst possible senario for me… aging second basemen with a .330 OBP.. does strike out but doesnt walk at all either and has no power.. hes basically furcal on 2nd base and he scares me with his age and defense..
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good list
I looked up the Bill James projections for 2010 on each one (since that is the only 2010 projection system out yet). This is only for hitting, of course:
1) Lopez – .281/.352/.400
2) Phillips – .269/.322/.434
3) Uggla – .252/.345/.470
4) Belliard – .265/.322/.416 (no prediction for DeWitt)
5) Callaspo – .287/.345/.410
6) Polanco – .296/.343/.403
7) Hudson – .280/.353/.409
by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
o shit!!!
i totally forgot about orlando hudson… but for me i think theres no way he will be back unless 1. the dodgers offer arb.. 25 percent chance the dodgers offer… 2. he accepts 50/50 chance
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not much differentiating
any of them.
I think that is why I had no problem with DeWitt being the 2nd baseman last year. That is about what I’d expect him to hit.
by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would to go in house with DeJesus when he’s ready (mid-season?).
by silverwidow on Nov 11, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus Polanco is Type-A, so that would cost LA their (very late) first-round pick.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Nov 11, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If DeJesus had played this year
his projections would be 280/370/370. JMO
by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
doubt his OBP would be that high...
.340- .350 would seem more reasonable..
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a walk machine. Great 2B defense.
by silverwidow on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he will get walked in the minors..
major leaguers will see he has no power or very little and give him fastball after fastball down the middle… thats why i think he will not walk very much in his first year or first few until he proves he can smash the ball
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DeJesus will hit plenty of doubles if they keep throwing fastballs down the middle.
by silverwidow on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he only had 21 doubles in over 530 PA
in AA in 2008… 2 triples
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That seems about right
in 2008, his MLE while playing in Jacksonville was .273/.348/.347. Very solid from a 21-year old.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He could put up Elvis Andrus numbers in the majors right now with plus defense. I’ll take it.
by silverwidow on Nov 11, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
elvis andrus offense
is a big time product of his home ball park…
home .298 .366 .425 .791
away .238 .294 .325 .620
but his D is great..
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus' neutralized batting
via Baseball Reference: .277/.340/.384
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/andruel01-bat.shtml#batting_neutral
I don’t think it is out of line to expect DeJesus, if healthy, to match that.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was irritated before that we trade Abreu and now I’m really irritated that we are looking at 2nd base options that at best might equal his production and we will probably be paying millions for it.
by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Look on the bright side
Management obviously prefers DeJesus. He will be added to the 40-man in a week or so (guaranteed invite to big league camp) and should impress everyone.
by silverwidow on Nov 11, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and we will probably be paying millions for it
Millions of nickles?
by Cool Dudes on Nov 11, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should be targeting Aaron Hill
instead of Halladay. What a beast.
by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2009 1:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uhm
why not trade our entire minor league system for those two?
Seriously, a bona fide ace and a 27 yr old 2b who plays possibly the best D in the league and hit 36 home runs last year.
by Seanny Rotten on Nov 13, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the TIgers
need to move Jackson for financial reasons, the Yankee’s are only signing their own FA, the Mets have no money, who the hell is going to be signing these guys? I expect an ever colder winter this year then last year for free agents. Abreu was smart to sign early like Ibanez. So was Sanchez.
by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dewitt. . .
. . . is cheap, and not that much of a falloff from any of the guys listed in this thread. That’s why the Dodgers will put him at 2B. If there’s any money at all, and I’m not sure there will be, I’d much rather see the team spend it on pitching than on a marginal improvement at 2B.
I loved Orlando Hudson at 2B in 2009. I wish Joe Torre did.
by SaMo D on Nov 11, 2009 4:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is that you, old friend?
Craig Conroy stole my H1N1 vaccine...
by DodgerBlueBalls on Nov 11, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
O-Dog’s pinch hit home run in game 5 was a nice symbolic gesture (sadly, nothing more), but Torre not even leaving him in the game after that was an even bigger gesture.
I hope the Dodgers at least offer him arbitration, so we can get a draft pick. And I’d really like to see if DeWitt will be good enough to join the rest of the young guys as a force to be reckoned with for years (hopefully with the Dodgers).
by sarcastro9 on Nov 11, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If by old friend you mean commenter since the Days off Kamenetzky, then yes.
by SaMo D on Nov 11, 2009 4:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Woo-hoo! Nice to see you join up here, SaMo. I miss the old Blue Notes blog…
Craig Conroy stole my H1N1 vaccine...
by DodgerBlueBalls on Nov 11, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Traffic didn’t whizz by so fast. There was time to enjoy the funny posts.
by SaMo D on Nov 11, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess now you cand add
Jamey Carroll to the list..
by Julio Nievas on Nov 12, 2009 12:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, general manager Omar Minaya has spoken with the Dodgers about Luis Castillo.
Minaya said that a few teams have shown interest in Castillo, which would have been unthinkable last winter. The Mets are in a better place this fall after Castillo batted .302/.387/.346 in 2009. The 34-year-old second baseman still has two years and $12 million left on his contract. Juan Pierre, who is slated to make $18.5 million over the next two seasons, would be a comparable swap.
by pdotmac1 on Nov 12, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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