According to [Orlando] Hudson, Torre never once called him into his office to discuss the situation, a slap in the face Hudson has trouble accepting.
"My teammates talked to me about it more than Joe did, but I never had any answers because (Torre) and I never talked," Hudson said. "There was no conversation."
Ramona Shelburne of the LA Daily News caught up with Orlando Hudson, who is understandably not happy about his late-season and playoff benching.
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I agree with Orlando
But it seems that these kind of conversations (see Grady with Gonzalez in 2007), don’t ever happen. I don’t know if Torre ever talked directly to JP in 2008 after they got Manny.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 12, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Having sat through a few dugout media sessions in September with Torre, he said enough to the media about Hudson that it wasn’t hard for anyone to figure out what was up.
Torre a few times in different situations throughout the year that he didn’t feel the need to sit down and discuss everything with each player, especially if he “knew they could handle it professionally.” Think of Blake, and later Kemp, batting 8th. Torre expressed trust in those guys that they wouldn’t upset the apple cart if he moved them down, almost as a sign of respect to them (at least that’s how he spun it to us). I’m sure the same thing went down with O-Dog.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 12, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it is a bigger situation than just batting a guy 8th. It must suck suddenly being benched and not knowing why.
by Tripon on Nov 12, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Torre kept giving reasons every day in his talk to reporters:
1) getting Hudson more rest
2) Belliard a hot bat
3) played Hudson too much early
4) O-Dog won’t tell us if he is hurt anyway
by Eric Stephen on Nov 12, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Hudson will write a book titled The Dodger Year
by Michael White on Nov 12, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I feel for O-Dog and
agree with him that Torre should’ve handled it better. In fact, I’d like to see Torre say something about it. I don’t know if it’s just that sometimes it’s hard for people to go face to face with someone when it’s bad news or maybe he wasn’t sure about it until the playoffs but usually Torre had been better about being upfront with players (or so I’d heard, maybe he’s always been bad about it). Anyway, just not cool.
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by underdog on Nov 12, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is it true that Hockey is the best live sporting event? I’ve only been to a couple of games and it bores the heck out of me on TV.
by silverwidow on Nov 12, 2009 3:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a hockey fan, but I have been to three LA Kings games (one at the Forum!) and it is a far, far better sport to see in person than on TV. If you understand the basics, you should enjoy it if you get out to a game. (Disclosure: one game I bought the tix in silent auction for charity, and the other two were free for me, so it wouldn’t have taken much to get my money’s worth. OTOH, my wife accompanied me to two of those games and she enjoyed them, even though she barely understands the rules – thank God she at least be exposed to AYSO, allowing offside to be an explainable concept – she really enjoyed the game, although she thought the fighting was “stupid” and “childish”.
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by David Young on Nov 12, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Dave. Hockey in person is a totally different experience than watching on TV, more than any other sport. It’s a ton of fun. You should go with someone who knows the game to explain to you what to look for and what’s going on.
The fans are great too. LA has a good hockey tradition although if you go when they’re playing the Red Wings, Rangers, or Blackhawks be prepared for a ton of fans for the visiting team.
by LA Taco on Nov 12, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“I guess he felt I wasn’t the man for the job if he wasn’t putting me in there,” Hudson said. “Everyone kept telling me to go talkto him. … but I didn’t want to be that guy. I didn’t want to complain.”
Hudson said he received phone calls from friends including Gary Sheffield and Kenny Lofton, and talked often with teammates including Juan Pierre about the situation, and came to the conclusion that he should keep quiet and try not to become a distraction as the Dodgers pursued a World Series title.
I don’t quiet understand how asking Torre for a private meeting asking something like “what should I be doing to get myself back in the lineup?” would be a “distraction” or disruptive, but I don’t think like an baseball player I suppose.
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by David Young on Nov 12, 2009 3:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Headline from SI.com:
Hudson agrees to 3-year, $28M deal with Braves
Oh, wait. They mean Tim.
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by David Young on Nov 12, 2009 3:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My mouth dropped
and then I read the rest of your comment.
by Michael White on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
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by David Young on Nov 12, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone watching MLB Network right now?
I’m at work, but I think Kemp & Ethier both won Silver Sluggers
by Eric Stephen on Nov 12, 2009 3:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Upon re-reading the article and the quotes
I don’t really think Hudson is actually complaining. It seems more matter-of-fact that they didn’t talk, and neither party was going to make that happen. The bottom line for me is in the middle of the article:
From the way they go about their business, it’s clear that both Hudson and Torre have an old-school mentality.
There is little room for sit downs, conferences or complaining.
Torre has publicly said that he pulls younger players such as Clayton Kershaw and Jonathan Broxton aside when he feels necessary, but he generally leaves veteran players to deal with things in their own way.
Torre expects a vet like Hudson to know how to read the handwriting on the wall and to call him in to explain the obvious, well, Torre would expect a vet to construe that as an insult to the player’s intelligence.
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by David Young on Nov 12, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
So much speculation from two quotes that didn’t say much. Weak story.
by Cool Dudes on Nov 12, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaah, the blockquote is off
Three paragraphs are supposed to be quoted:
From the way they go about their business, it’s clear that both Hudson and Torre have an old-school mentality.
There is little room for sit downs, conferences or complaining.
Torre has publicly said that he pulls younger players such as Clayton Kershaw and Jonathan Broxton aside when he feels necessary, but he generally leaves veteran players to deal with things in their own way.
Leaving only the first and last paragraphs as my words.
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by David Young on Nov 12, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know I've said this before
but i would love to have O-Dog back, even though he won’t be.
by bearface on Nov 12, 2009 3:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I fail to understand how a
manager of 25 men does not sit down and talk with them whenever the norm changes. Talk about avoiding conflict. So much for the great communicator, I guess the lineup card is all the communicating he cares to do.
And I don’t see how talking to a bunch of reporters in a dugout is the same as sitting down with your player and laying out the reasons why you are now nailed to the bench after playing just about every game against every type of pitcher.
by meercatjohn on Nov 12, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, from the tone of the dugout talks by Torre it was implied that Torre had already spoken with Hudson, or at least that there was communication. Very weird.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 12, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is why I found this quote strange
because Joe totally implied that they had talked to Orlando about the situation.
by meercatjohn on Nov 12, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there are a lot of things strange about Joe
He has a lot of good qualities, to be sure, but there’s a side of him that’s at best puzzling, and at worst downright dark. A-Rod’s not the most sympathetic character, but remember when Torre revealed to the world that some people in the clubhouse gave him the nickname A-Fraud? When (rightly) questioned whether that’s something that he should have shared with the world, Joe’s response was basically, ‘Well, everyone knew that was his nickname, anyway.’ Umm…no we didn’t. What gives here?
Not too much followup came from this, as it was quickly overshadowed by the steroid revelations.
by sarcastro9 on Nov 12, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yup...that's what I thought
Out: Casey Blake popped out to second. None on with one out and George Sherrill due up.
Substitution: Orlando Hudson is pinch-hitting for George Sherrill.
….
Walk: Ronnie Belliard walked. Runners on first and second with one out and Andre Ethier due up….
by sarcastro9 on Nov 12, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Torre is 69 years old - that's my parent's generation (they are between 3 and 6 years older)
He played in the major leagues in every year of the 1960s. His first PA was to pinch-hit for Warren Spahn against Harvey Haddix – he singled – and the first major-league pitch he caught was thrown by Spahn. The men in the crowd still wore suits with hats. Joe is seriously old-school, from a time when men didn’t communicate by having touchy-feely meetings; everything was clearly understood from the actions taken. Color me not surprised.
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by David Young on Nov 12, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You Know
He should have.
But he probably figured there was nothing to say as in there was nothing that O-dog was going to say that was going to change his mind and that even talking to him like that might be an insinuation that there was. There was nothing he was going to ask of the O-dog to do, or anything he did wrong, he was just benching him to go with the hot hand.
But that being said, he should have communicated better. People don’t understand things without explanation, that’s not the real world. Old school here is just wrong.
by Cool Dudes on Nov 12, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps there is more in the background regarding this situation that Mr. Torre does not want out in the public domain? That’s my guess.
For instance, if Mr. Torre made a big deal of Hudson’s brittle wrist, it would cost the dude big time on his next contract negotiation. Of course Hudson is going to say his wrist is great now. Watching the games at the satdium, looked like the wrist was bugging him plenty after the All-Star break. Especially after plays on balls to his left.
Jus Say’in
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 12, 2009 4:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing. Also do people remember 3-4 times near the end of the year when Hudson went down cradling his wrist or looking like he was in pain?
by LA Taco on Nov 12, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We all thought that was the problem
but wouldn’t Joe have had to actually communicate with Hudson to see how his wrist felt, or do you think they simply decided that based on his performance his wrist was hurting and that he wouldn’t tell them the truth if they asked?
by meercatjohn on Nov 12, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric thought that latter. Up above he synopsized Joe’s talking points on Hudson, including:
4) O-Dog won’t tell us if he is hurt anyway
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by David Young on Nov 12, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Torre can see it from the clubhouse and the bench. C’mon
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 12, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then there are always all of the other sources of information like coaches and trainers … and players.
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
think back to NLCS Game 5- just for a second
O-Dog hit a home run, pinch hitting for the pitcher. I am fairly sure that Belliard came up later in that inning, meaning it would have been a PERFECT time for a double switch for so many reasons- O-Dog better defensively (even with his wrist problems), bats earlier in the lineup, would probably be his last game as a Dodger, and- oh yes- he JUST hit a home run! Yet Torre STILL didn’t leave him. Draw your own conclusions here, because I don’t have any that add up.
by sarcastro9 on Nov 12, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
confirmed:
Out: Casey Blake popped out to second. None on with one out and George Sherrill due up.
Substitution: Orlando Hudson is pinch-hitting for George Sherrill.
Home-run: Pinch-Hitter Orlando Hudson one-out, solo Home Run (1) to left. Rafael Furcal due up.
….
Walk: Ronnie Belliard walked. Runners on first and second with one out and Andre Ethier due up.
…
by sarcastro9 on Nov 12, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But the Dodgers were trailing so Torre would want to keep what he perceived to be the better bat (Roly-Poly) in the game.
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by David Young on Nov 12, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So … a personal problem Torre has is bigger than the team? or what?
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