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2010 CHONE Projections Are Out

Andre Ethier and Manny Ramirez join fellow outfielder Matt Kemp as the only Dodgers projected by CHONE to have an OPS of .800 or above in 2010.

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Andre Ethier and Manny Ramirez join fellow outfielder Matt Kemp as the only Dodgers projected by CHONE to have an OPS of .800 or above in 2010.

Last month we looked at the projections from the 2010 Bill James Handbook.  Now, the second set of projections are in, from Sean Smith of the wonderful blog Anaheim Angels All The Way.  His full list of CHONE projections can be found here.

I added these projections to the previous Bill James projections, and also took a look back to 2009 to see how accurate last year's set of predictions were. The 2009 and 2010 CHONE projections are highlighted below.

I also threw in prOPS from The Hardball Times, short for "predicted OPS," which is "a formula for predicting what a player's OPS is likely to be in the future based on his batted balls, strikeouts, home runs and walks," to see if there was any luck based on batted balls.

Infield

Russell Martin
Year BA OBP SLG OPS
2009 Bill James .292 .390 .439 .829
2009 CHONE .286 .384 .434 .818
2009 actual .250 .352 .329 .680
2009 prOPS .284 .382 .396 .778
2010 Bill James .272 .372 .396 .768
2010 CHONE .273 .364 .407 .771
2010 status arbitration eliglble
 
James Loney
Year BA OBP SLG OPS
2009 Bill James .295 .351 .443 .794
2009 CHONE .294 .355 .446 .801
2009 actual .281 .357 .399 .756
2009 prOPS .298 .371 .438 .809
2010 Bill James .294 .360 .440 .800
2010 CHONE .292 .354 .444 .798
2010 status arbitration eliglble
 
Orlando Hudson
Year BA OBP SLG OPS
2009 Bill James .270 .342 .392 .734
2009 CHONE .276 .353 .407 .760
2009 actual .283 .357 .417 .774
2009 prOPS .277 .352 .391 .742
2010 Bill James 
.280 .353 .409 .762
2010 CHONE .270 .342 .395 .737
2010 status Type A free agent
 
Ronnie Belliard
Year BA OBP SLG OPS
2009 Bill James .266 .331 .405 .736
2009 CHONE .272 .331 .419 .750
2009 actual .277 .325 .451 .776
2009 prOPS .281 .328 .466 .794
2010 Bill James .265 .322 .416 .738
2010 CHONE .256 .313 .404 .717
2010 status Type B free agent
Belliard's stats include time w/Nats
 
Rafael Furcal
Year BA OBP SLG OPS
2009 Bill James .286 .354 .409 .763
2009 CHONE .284 .358 .412 .770
2009 actual .269 .335 .375 .711
2009 prOPS .278 .343 .388 .730
2010 Bill James .278 .346 .391 .737
2010 CHONE .273 .342 .388 .730
2010 status under contract
 
Casey Blake
Year BA OBP SLG OPS
2009 Bill James .259 .334 .429 .763
2009 CHONE .259 .336 .439 .775
2009 actual .280 .363 .468 .832
2009 prOPS .287 .372 .473 .845
2010 Bill James .257 .337 .426 .762
2010 CHONE .256 .331 .430 .761
2010 status under contract

Star-divide

Outfield

Manny Ramirez
Year BA OBP SLG OPS
2009 Bill James .304
.406
.556
.962
2009 CHONE .291 .408 .556 .964
2009 actual .290
.418
.531
.949
2009 prOPS .314
.439
.557
.995
2010 Bill James .296
.406
.537
.943
2010 CHONE .272 .368 .501 .869
2010 status under contract
 
Matt Kemp
Year BA OBP SLG OPS
2009 Bill James .311
.360
.496
.856
2009 CHONE .299 .353 .476 .829
2009 actual .297
.352
.490
.842
2009 prOPS .279
.335
.478
.813
2010 Bill James .311
.365
.508
.873
2010 CHONE .297 .351 .492 .843
2010 status arbitration eliglble
 
Andre Ethier
Year BA OBP SLG OPS
2009 Bill James .303
.374
.492
.866
2009 CHONE .292 .366 .468 .834
2009 actual .272
.361
.508
.869
2009 prOPS .292
.378
.520
.898
2010 Bill James .288
.368
.500
.868
2010 CHONE .281 .356 .488 .844
2010 status arbitration eliglble
 
Juan Pierre
Year BA OBP SLG OPS
2009 Bill James .292 .348 .356 .704
2009 CHONE .283 .328 .357 .685
2009 actual .308 .365 .392 .792
2009 prOPS .306 .362 .376 .738
2010 Bill James .291 .342 .355 .697
2010 CHONE .287 .335 .369 .704
2010 status under contract
 

You can get the full list of Dodgers' CHONE projections here.

Looking at the CHONE projections, I thought the mythical battle for fourth outfielder was interesting:

2010 CHONE Projections
4th Outfielder BA OBP SLG OPS
Mitch Jones .228 .306 .435 .741
Hector Luna .261 .324 .408 .732
Xavier Paul .259 .323 .390 .713
Jamie Hoffmann    .255 .328 .379 .707
Juan Pierre .287 .335 .369 .704

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2B options CHONE projections

Ranked by OPS
Uggla – .252/.350/.468
Phillips – .275/.325/.444
DeRosa – .257/.335/.416
Hudson – .270/.342/.395
Polanco – .289/.338/.398
Belliard – .256/.313/.404
Lopez – .272/.342/.377
Castillo – .273/.358/.342

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 8:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would go for the best defender since none of the free agents are very exciting and it doesn’t seem like a trade would be worth the cost. Maybe for Phillips but it would probably take a lot to get him.

by LA Taco on Nov 17, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot DeWitt

CHONE has him at .253/.326/.395

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Between Hudson and Belliard at a fraction of the cost.

I don’t know what Sean Smith thinks the error range of his projections, but outside of Uggla’s projection, and Phillips’ and Castillo’s Slg%, those look like the about same batting results to me, including DeWitt’s.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 17, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting:
Martin – based on 2009 they are both dropping him about 40 OPS points
Loney – ignoring his performance in 2009 they both are very close to their 2009 projections.
Hudson – James goes down but Chone goes up. They now have close to the same projections for the other person in 2010 that they had in 2009.
Belliard – ignoring his 2009 performance they are dropping him (age related)
Furcal – based on 2009 they are both dropping him from 26 to 40 OPS points
Blake – ignored his 2009 they are both keeping him almost exactly at his 2009 projection which was off by 50-60 OPS points. (age related?)
Manny – they nailed Manny in 2009, but in 2010 Chones says he drops significantly while James thinks he can remain elite.
Kemp – they came close on him, James thinks he improves but CHONE says he stays static.
Andre – James nailed him, they both have the close to the same projection in 2010 as they had in 2009.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 17, 2009 8:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Russell, I found it interesting that CHONE is predicting his 2010 season will have a significant upward trend against his 2009 actuals…

Stanley Cups won: Raymond Bourque 1 - Marty McSorley 2. Suck it, Chowderhead!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Nov 17, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Both sets of projections so far (Bill James and CHONE) are more in line with his 2009 batted ball data, suggesting that some bad luck played some factor in Martin’s .680 OPS.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rolling over on the ball killed Martin, too

He hit a ton of grounders to 3B…

from Bill James online:

Ground balls
to left – 115 (55.6%)
to center – 74 (35.7%)
to right – 18 (8.7%)

Line drives
to left – 34 (39.1%)
to center – 28 (32.2%)
to right – 25 (28.7%)

Fly balls
to left – 26 (20.0%)
to center – 46 (35.4%)
to right – 58 (44.6%)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Was he going the other way more in previous years?

by delias man on Nov 17, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A little bit, yes

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When a batter tries to pull an outside breaking ball the usual result is a grounder to 3rd – short ,for a righty and 1st – 2nd, for a lefty.
For whatever reason Martin wanted to swing like a power hitter for most of last season.
He might have more success hitting up the middle focusing on line drives.
Then 10 – 15 HR’s could be a by-product of such an approach at the plate.
Martin was so pedictable at the plate for most of last season, he really wore me out. … and the infield grass … and he killed alot of worms too.

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 17, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Has the idea ever been floated by the press/mlb insiders/bloggers/etc that perhaps Martin had indulged in some PEDs prior to the MLB testing becoming more stringent in ’08 and ’09?

by BFDC on Nov 17, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gagne was his room mate, but with the “blind eye” enforcement of the rules in those days a better question might be, who didn’t use, even a little?

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 17, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point. Just watching Martin this past year, it seems his struggles were much more of an issue of his swing, balance and pitch selection than loss of strength or “enhancements” but I was wondering if people were subtly floating the PED idea around.

by BFDC on Nov 17, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve seen it suggested in the comments of blogs before. He also lost muscle which was said to be part of a new diet and exercise routine.

by LA Taco on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For the most part

the last drug agreement (2006-2008) had teeth, too. There is slightly more testing under the new program (3600 vs 3000 per year in total) but Martin’s career has been under basically the same agreement.

That said, it is certainly possible Martin, or anyone, used PEDs during either phase. After all, Manny didn’t get caught for taking steroids; he got caught for taking the masking agent. I am under the impression that if players and their doctors are smart enough they can get around the testing, even now.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This does seem to be the case.
On the MLB “9’s” last night when featuring shortstops, alot of footage of A Rod as a Mariner and Ranger. That dude is really bulked up since those times.
Natural supplements of course.

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 17, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve really bulked up since ARod was a Mariner; all natural supplements, like ice cream, pie, beer, etc.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 17, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But didn’t they investigate Manny and find the masking agent prescription because he had elevated testosterone ratios in his blood test? He was “convicted” on the female drug, but initially “caught” from the blood test. Or was that a rumor but never substantiated?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 17, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the way I heard it

His ‘guilty’ test was just suspicious, he was nailed after the investigation based on that suspicion found the prescription for the masking agent.

I’m not entirely convinced these tests are foolproof – they can be gotten around, but it’s by no means as easy as it used to be. Of course I have no proof though.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 17, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our infield

would really suck if Blake does regress and Loney never gets better then .750-800.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 17, 2009 8:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Blake’s right hammy was really giving him problems at the end of the season. Should he be paced more in the upcoming year?
Furcal’s back is an issue that won’t just go away.
Someone will play second base.
Will Loney develop more power next year?
Would more time off help Martin to be more productive next season?
Other than that the infield is great.

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 17, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As always with Furcal, we cling to the hope of one solid month from him when he was presumably healthy (his .330/.400/.491 Sept/Oct), heading into next season.

A healthy Furcal for 6 months is like the Loch Ness Monster. It probably doesn’t exist, but bring your camera just in case!

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Point

There’s a case to be made on pacing every single infielder.

Even the “play Looney every day” card this year didn’t seem to work.

by Cool Dudes on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we had Belliard all year

A few of the infielders could’ve been rested a bit more. Just need someone better than Mark Loretta for utility infield.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 17, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exact Reason Why I Think We Need More Good Starting Pitchers

We aren’t going to get a whole new better infield.

by Cool Dudes on Nov 17, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the raw numbers were a bit low

Manny is projected at 24 HR (team leading) and 77 RBI, which don’t seem out of line (they predict 114 games), but Kemp and Ethier’s numbers seem low:

Ethier: 72 runs, 21 HR, 79 RBI in 149 games
Kemp: 88 runs, 20 HR, 81 RBI in 149 games

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 8:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I checked some other projections just to see if it was a system wide trend downward, but the big boppers are still predicted to be big:

Pujols – 100 runs, 40 HR, 120 RBI
Howard – 89/44/131
A-Rod – 94/34/106
Fielder – 93/41/113

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man that will suck if they end up with numbers like that.

I guess what those actual numbers mean is what matters, but if Ethier and Kemp regress that much in home run and RBI numbers, it will be disappointing.

by Ian Capilouto on Nov 17, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If they hit with the BA/OBP/SLG that they are projected to do, in the playing time they are projected to have, they both should easily pass those numbers.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I did not understand the projections on their “counting” numbers either. Even if Ethier/Kemp did hit less HRs, why would they project to have significantly less RBIs? (Note this question is somewhat rhetorical)

by BFDC on Nov 17, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because everybody else on the team can’t hit?

by Michael White on Nov 17, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so these projections change if they are traded this offseason?

by delias man on Nov 17, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No idea

my response was somewhat tounge in cheek, though as you know, RBI totals are dependant on your teammates. OPS and HR projections can be isolated, but RBI totals can’t. I don’t really see the point in projecting RBI totals, and if they are doing it, the only way it would make sense would be to update them if/when offseason moves are made.

by Michael White on Nov 17, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds like the projections are based on current park/league

from the explanation page:

Most of the columns are self explanatory. The R150 column is linear weights runs per 150 games, or 625 plate appearances. This figure is based on what the player projection would have looked like in a neutral park and league, not on the projected stats for the park they are playing in

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is interesting, but...

I have the last couple Bill James Handbooks and I do enjoy seeing these but I hope James is not spending a lot of time working on these projections versus other projects. I do not take it very seriously at all.

by delias man on Nov 17, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I like the Pecota projections in that they provide percentages of each projection, but when taken together the projections give a useful tool.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

From reading the books

I don’t think Bill is actually involved in the projections. These aren’t the abstracts which is Bill actually writing. I’ve always got the feeling the Bill James Handbooks just have his name on it but I think all the work is done by minions. Kind of like Norton where after the first year he had nothing to do with the product but his name.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 17, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Those numbers are too low

I’ll give Manny the benefit that he won’t lose another 50 games and Andre/Matt will be another year into their prime so they should hit those raw stats well before 149 games.

Wonder how they rate Ibanez and Werth then?

by Capt Obvious on Nov 17, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Belichick made the right move.

But I see no reason not to question the move. Most of the time they get that first down, but the times that they don’t, they drastically reduce the percentage of them winning. The 9 % difference between 70 and 79 % is small enough to make me think about it and weigh the options at least.
But fuck Belichick and the Human Ken Doll. That fumble was a fumble and not a pass against the Raiders, no matter what. Karma sucks.

by Ian Capilouto on Nov 17, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What happens if/when Blake misses time in 2010? Can the Dodgers’ offense withstand a 700 OPS from someone like DeWitt?

It’s terrible that we don’t have better options at that position.

by silverwidow on Nov 17, 2009 9:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thats why I wouldn’t mind going after DeRosa. At least he’d give us some flexibility and a little pop

by BFDC on Nov 17, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In 2009, the Dodgers got .250/.302/.367 production in 139 PA from their non-Blake 3B. The non-Blakes started 31 games.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That blows

considering the red hot Belliard was part of those stats.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 17, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Weird

That every Dodger with the exception of the starting outfield is projected to be an outlier (either good or bad) in 2009.

HR and RBI projections seem bizzare to me. At least they should be converted into a rate (e.g HR/10 games).

The only player I’m almost sure of that will have a worse 2009 is Blake. We really need a backup 3B who can hit. Dewitt still might fit the bill, we’ll see. At the very lease I think Dewitt should stay on the team and give his frequent flier mileage a break (the guy must be going to Tahiti this off-season).

Logically, I would say Manny’s number would drop, but intuitively I feel he is just too good of a hitter to not be able to adjust and put up some pretty solid numbers. I would think his HRs dip down and K go up, but I bet he still puts ups some good Offense, provided he gets some well paced days off instead of a 50 game vacation.

by Cool Dudes on Nov 17, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

In a way, the HR & RBI are projected as a rate, in that they also predict playing time.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but PT is a Magic 8-ball prediction.

Hard enough predicting what is going to happen with consistent data, why make it harder on pretty random results like injuries, suspensions, and biting Joe Torre the wrong way (bad Odog).

by Cool Dudes on Nov 17, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m saying if you want HR/PA or something all you have to do is divide the projections by PA. That’s all

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2) Felix (2 first place votes)
3) Verlander (1 first place vote)
4) CC
5) Halladay

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who knew

SilverWidow was able to vote for the CY:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 17, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not a shock

The one first place vote for Verlander came from Detroit, says Aaron Gleeman

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

just like the 1 first place vote 2 years ago for Maglio Ordonez instead of A-Rod.

by Michael White on Nov 17, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Kornacki is the Verlander Voter

http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2009/11/detroit_tigers_justin_verlande.html

Verlander received my first-place vote because nobody was tougher on the mound with the season on the line for his team

Translation: Verlander’s superior teammates made him a better pitcher

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No it was the xFIP

He’s probably a closet stat guy:)

by Cool Dudes on Nov 17, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A first place vote for Verlander is a joke. If King Felix played anywhere else, the voting would have been a lot closer…although Greinke doesn’t play in a media mecca, he was the choice after the first month of the season which probably propelled him to the award.

by ibleedbloo on Nov 17, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eric looked up the stats yesterday

not one stat favored Felix over Greinke.

Greinke had the better year.

by Michael White on Nov 17, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Greinke deserved to win. What I meant to say was that if Felix played in New York, Boston, or even Anaheim it would have been a much closer race. Verlander’s fist place vote and 4 ERA prove that they system is flawed.

But this time the pitcher who deserved to win got the hardware!

by ibleedbloo on Nov 17, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Verlander’s ERA was 3.45. And he led the league in innings, wins (tied with Felix) and strikeouts (and K/9). Not hard to see why he was rated highly (that said, I would have had Verlander clearly behind Zack & Felix)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure how Verlander is clearly behind Felix

his delta from ERA to x-FIP points to bad luck.

As you say, he led the league in inning and strikeouts, and had a better x-FIP than Felix.

by Michael White on Nov 17, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was missing a comma in there

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Halladay is the guy who's got the biggest argument from where I'm sitting

1 fewer inning pitched than Verlander.

x-FIP best in AL at 3.24. For that he finishes at 5?

by Michael White on Nov 17, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was looking at the BBWAA link a few posts up which has Verlander’s numbers at “19-9, 3.92 ERA”. For some reason they have his career ERA listed. Shaving half a run off his ERA does make me more accepting about him getting his 1 first place vote.

by ibleedbloo on Nov 17, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha! I didn’t even notice that. Sportswriters and facts, failing to intersect yet again :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At least their website background color isn’t bright, blinding green anymore.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 17, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I miss those days :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course the system is flawed

its a system where writers vote on the best player. Bill Plaschke is a member of the media. Of course there are going to be stupid votes.

Even so, on this vote all 3 top finishers are in small media markets.

Besides, I have no problem with Verlander at third. His x-FIP of 3.41 was better than Felix’s at 3.60.

by Michael White on Nov 17, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Greinke was amazing in April

0.50 ERA.

But even post-April, Greinke had a 2.47 ERA, which was…wait for it…still lower than Felix’s 2.49 seasonal ERA.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

First AL CYA with fewer than 18 wins.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Recently one time highly touted young studs like Grienke, Carlos Pena, Adam Lind, Aaron Hill, Kendry Morales, Ubaldo Jiminez , Matt Garza, and Edwin Jackson struggled to turn their baseball gifts into stardom at the major league level. Some took longer then others but at one time all of those players were available for the right price after seeing their stars dim. Now they would make an excellent all-star team.

Among the young studs who have failed in the last few years who do you think has the best chance to turn it around and join the group above.
Alex Gordon
Delmon Young
Jeremy Hermida –
Brandon Wood
Homer Bailey
Joba Chamberlain -
Buchholz,C –
Hochevar,L
Saltalamacchia,J
Chris Davis
Barton
Loney, James
Drew, Stephen
Jackson, Conor
Young, Chris
Travis Snider

You should have seen the Bill James/CHONES projections for these guy headed into 2008.
Boston bought low, on Hermida, who else would be willing to buy low? Granted some of these guys still have a high values but nothing like what the asking price would have been in the winter of 2007. I’d still bet on Alex Gordon. Who would you bet on?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 17, 2009 11:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I vote for Snider. Isn’t he far younger than everyone else?

by silverwidow on Nov 17, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I almost didn’t include him but he sucked twice so far.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 17, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I still like Clay Buchholz.

Delmon Young intrigues me, only in that he strikes me as someone who could be had for a very cheap price. Still has a ways to go to turn it around though.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been bullish on Bailey, so I’ll vote for him.

by Michael White on Nov 17, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I also like Bailey going forward. Only 23 years old, plenty of time to reach his potential. He’s had the “next big thing” tag on him for years, that’s a lot to live up to for a kid. I think we all had that fear with Kershaw.

I also like that Loney kid, looking forward to BIG things in his future.

by ibleedbloo on Nov 17, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I still have a feeling Stephen Drew is going to bust out one year

by BFDC on Nov 17, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Buchholz. He is in a position where he can still succeed with some lessened pressure, despite being in Boston. He doesn’t have to the be the #1 or #2 guy, nor an innings-eater (they have Wakefield for that). And he didn’t completely suck last year.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 17, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Goldstein chimes in on Aroldis Chapman

at Baseball Prospectus:

His upside is higher than any pitching prospect in baseball other than Strasburg. There is the risk of youth, and the difficulties some Cuban have had over here. I think anyone expecting him to make a big league impact in 2010 is just kidding themselves

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 12:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well

I’d put him as a reliever

by Julio Nievas on Nov 17, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its already been reported that the Dodgers are not interested.

Plus he will likely end up in NY or Boston

by BFDC on Nov 17, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Another reason

why these dudes need to go in the draft. Isn’t that how it works in the NBA?

by Capt Obvious on Nov 17, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw "Sugar" last night

very interesting baseball movie. The ending threw me, I expected something different, I get the angle but think they missed what they were trying to say. I doubt we would find very many first year Dominican Pitchers starting in Class A who ended up like he did in his first year of pitching. I won’t spoil it until I write a fanpost about it and you can just ignore the fanpost if you don’t want to know how it ends.

Still it is a good movie to watch, to help understand the complexities of the non English speaking baseball player who finds himself in Great Lakes without much of a support group.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 17, 2009 12:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is that the DR baseball player struggles that try to make it to the MLB documentary?

by Julio Nievas on Nov 17, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No real movie

made by Sony Classics.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 17, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Every time I see “CHONE projections” or “Chone Figgins”, I think of two things:

1. Former Laker forward Jim Chones
2. The Mexican slang term for underwear

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 17, 2009 1:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Minor League Free Agents

Dodgers have the most at 34, including CanuckDodger would-be-40-man Francisco Felix:

Los Angeles Dodgers (34)
RHP: Carlos Alvarado (AAA), Kendy Batista (AA), Henry Bonilla (AAA), Travis Chick (AA), Hyang-Nam Choi (AAA), Tim Corcoran (AAA), Nick DeBarr (AAA), Joselo Diaz (AAA), J.D. Durbin (AAA), Francisco Felix (AAA), Harvey Garcia (AA), Dwayne Pollok (AAA), Jordan Pratt (Lo A), Zach Schreiber (AA), Scott Strickland (AAA)
LHP: Marlon Arias+ (AAA), Greg Miller (Hi A), Erick Threets (AAA), Joe Torres (Hi A)
C: Danny Ardoin+ (AAA), J.D. Closser (AAA), Gabriel Gutierrez (AA), Mike Rose (AAA)
1B: Brett Harper (AAA), Gaby Martinez (AA), Vinny Rottino (AA)
2B: Sergio Garcia (AAA), Juan Gonzalez (AA), Luis Maza (AAA), Ramon Nivar (AA)
3B: Hector Luna (AAA)
OF: Dee Brown (AAA), Andres Perez (Hi A), James Tomlin (AA)

Full list here:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=6994

by Eric Stephen on Nov 17, 2009 1:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Would’ve liked to see Choi given a chance in ’09, he had some very impressive numbers in AAA this year. His brief stint in the Cleveland minors in ’06 had similar results, so I kinda wonder why he was never given a shot.

Also looks like the Greg Miller era is likely officially over.

by EMDarrow on Nov 18, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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