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World Series Game 5 Chat

"Yeah, you should have started Cliff Lee last night."

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"Yeah, you should have started Cliff Lee last night."

The baseball season could end tonight.  Here are the lineups for Game 5:

Yankees      Phillies
SS Jeter SS Rollins   
LF
Damon CF Victorino       
1B Teixeira       2B Utley
3B A-Rod 1B Howard
RF Swisher RF Werth       
2B Cano LF Ibañez
CF Gardner
3B Feliz  
C Molina C Ruiz
P Burnett P Lee    

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I Want the Series Over Tonight

But odds are it goes on (or maybe not where is the sim?)

Well, I’ll just have to go with the fact that the Yanks have too much heart and veteran leadership for the gritty Phillies to overcome a 3-1 deficit.

The sooner this is over with, the sooner this post-season is in the past, the closer we are to opening day next year, the better.

How’s the weather?

by Cool Dudes on Nov 2, 2009 4:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yanks have heart?

i never understood this. they have no more heart than any other team. they just have a $200 million payroll which means at any point in the game one of their all-stars can get hot.

by bearface on Nov 3, 2009 6:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

FUCK

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But then again

he may not?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Nov 2, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Phillies home runs

in NLCS: 23 RBI on 10 HR

in World Series: 7 RBI on 7 HR

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 5:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

all those walks killed us

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

But what’s going on down on the farm? Seeing alot of guys coming up with great stuff and shitty command. Logan likes these guys figuring they will learn to throw strikes in the minors, but then they don’t.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 2, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We need better minor-league pitching coaches and roving pitching instructors?

by David Young on Nov 2, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

we need Dave Duncan’s minor league equivalent.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 2, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

victorino got beaned hehe

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

went off the finger

ouch

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

3-0

utley HR

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

3-1

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WAS THAT Intentional?

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

no

 victorino didnt even get hit.. if he wasnt offering at the ball or bunting he wouldnt have got hit..

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did Victorino point at his head?

And then at the pitcher?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Nov 2, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no

i thought it mighta been intentional
cause Arods been beaned 3 times in philly

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

first non solo HR for the phillies in the WS

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

maybe it was a mistake for Girardi

to start burnett on 3 days rest..

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 5:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

no it was a mistake for manuel not to start lee yesterday

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty much that cost them the series

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

This is more of a case where the right decision didn’t work, similar to Kuroda going in game 3.

by uclatroy on Nov 2, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or at least hasn’t thus far.

by uclatroy on Nov 2, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That wasn't the right decision. The right decision was

Bills 1, Kershaw 2, Wolf 3, Padilla 4 and if needed Bills 5, Kershaw 6 and Wolf to close it out.

Bills was still a good pitcher, his FIP was crazy good (better than Wolf’s) and Kershaw was too young to start a game 1, in my opinion.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 2, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I thought it was a mistake not to start Lee last night, and also to start Burnett tonight. Yanks have house money, use it. Burnett and Pettite at home on near full rest vs the ass end of the Phils rotation is nothing to sneeze at.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 2, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s no way they’d throw Pettite in game 7 over Sabathia, which I’d assume is the main reason why they are using Burnett and Pettite on short rest as well.

by uclatroy on Nov 2, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True

but it probably wouldn’t get to 7. If it did, yeah they’d go CC.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 2, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I would not have started Burnett tonight.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 2, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the Dodgers were the only ones who

liked to stare at pitches down the pipe for strikes, but the Yanks have them beat methinks.

And yet they’re still up 3-1…

by Capt Obvious on Nov 2, 2009 5:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

they’re still up 3-1

In the series, but not in this game.

by David Young on Nov 2, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Thanks for the clarification.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 2, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

theyre down 5-1 now

and burnett is done

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Lee on short rest would have gotten hammered. Hasn’t history shown that since baseball moved to the five man rotation starting a pitcher in the postseason on three days rest has not gone very well?

The Phillies almost had a 2 – 2 series with Lee going against Burnett, one rested, one not. I’m going to go contrary and liked what Manuel did. Blanton did his job against that offense in that park, the Phillie hitters didn’t.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 2, 2009 6:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nor did Brad Lidge.

by David Young on Nov 2, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can agree with you for the most part. I think there’s a small set of pitchers that can be effective on short rest and the manager has got to recognize who they are. CC is apparently part horse and can be effective that way – he’s done it before. But Burnett, not so sure. An aging Pettitte, not so sure.

by David Young on Nov 2, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

6-1

unless lee or the bullpen have a total meltdown
it looks like there will be a game 6
though yankees still got this anyway…

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Phillies bullpen is quite capable of total meltdown.

by David Young on Nov 2, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if lee doesnt go more than 6

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hello, Dodger fans

Well, we kind of figured the Yankees would lose this game, right? And wow, Shane Victorino’s hand sure does look swollen.

by SabreRoseTiger on Nov 2, 2009 6:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

yeah

i said theyll lose tonight
and win it in 6

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Be pretty funny if the Phillies tattoo old Andy Pettitte going on three days rest.

by David Young on Nov 2, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy….

by David Young on Nov 2, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Every manager's worst nightmare (seemingly)

is getting the backup catcher injured. It has been the rationale used for not PH catchers, or to carry 3 catchers.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ramiro Peña? :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I want non-Victorinos to get hurt

but I would like to see whom is the Yankees’ emergency catcher tonight.

If Posada is significantly injured, they can replace him on the roster with Cerevelli, but of course that wouldn’t help tonight.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah like if he does something where he needs to get out for the rest of the game..

like a flu or some kind of small injury…

who would catch??

maybe nick swisher? jeter is so great he can probably catch too right

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeter would call pitches, knowing they would be hit, but then just catch them from SS :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What are the chances Manuel pulls Lee

and gives him a shot at pitching game seven against CC in game 7?

by prosellis on Nov 2, 2009 6:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow

that was poorly written.

by prosellis on Nov 2, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

0%

If Manuel wouldn’t start Lee on 3 days rest, he won’t start on 2 days rest either.

More likely is that Pedro goes in 6, Hamels in 7, with Lee available for 2 IP or so in Game 7 in relief (a la Randy Johnson 2001)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just looked at the schedule

I thought there was an extra day off. Now I know better.

by prosellis on Nov 2, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

CC might pull a Jack Coombs if they would let him

1910 World Series: Coombs & the A’s faced the Cubs

Game 2, October 18: 9 IP for Coombs
Game 3, October 20: 9 IP for Coombs (on one day rest!!!!)
Game 5, October 23: 9 IP for Coombs (on only two days rest!)

6 days, 3 starts, 27 innings, 3 wins

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a tremendous catch by Gardner

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 6:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

From a yahoo! sports article on Phil Coke of the Yankees, who makes about the MLB minimum.

A-Rod bought him two suits. He did the same for all the rookies. “Pretty cool,” Coke said. Even now, Coke said, when he goes out to dinner with more well-heeled teammates, someone else usually picks up the tab. “They do it secretly, too,” he said. “I still don’t know who bought me dinner the last time we were in Seattle.”
I suppose that is pretty cool. Maybe that makes the rookie hazing worth it.

A guy like Coke is going to really enjoy getting his post-season share money.

by David Young on Nov 2, 2009 7:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how big a $2,500 furnished apartment in New Jersey is

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Big enough for a bachelor and Jimmy Hoffa’s corpse.

by David Young on Nov 2, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder who is picking up the tab for Phil Coke’s dinner tonight!

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this is the inning

that the yankkess get back into the game..

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 7:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Phillies

are playing right into the Yankees’ plans.

by ishXdavid on Nov 2, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

chase utley

is a 93 MPH fastball from leftys to right field stands hitting machine

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

That should be a quote on the back of his baseball card :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Planned shut down

From Bill Mitchell at Baseball America:

The Dodgers shut down lefthahnder Aaron Miller as planned after three appearances in which the 2009 supplemental first-round pick yielded only one run in 4 1/3 innings.

Emphasis mine.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind
The Dodgers shut down lefthahnder Aaron Miller as planned after three appearances in which the 2009 supplemental first-round pick yielded only one run in 4 1/3 innings. In his brief stint, the Baylor product drew raves from many in the scout section at his games. One scout in particular wondered aloud how Miller had gotten past the first round before being selected with the 36th overall pick.

by Julio Nievas on Nov 2, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

the yanks have the wrong scouting report on utley...

it must be from when he was in the minors or something…

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they mixed up the Dodgers’ reports on Utley and Howard :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Charlie Manuel = Manager of the Year

for taking Victorino out without telling him. :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 7:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Francisco came in for the wrong outfielder.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I sense we will have a new animated Ibañez GIF soon

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interest level

Went from 2 to 6 with A-rod’s hit

by Julio Nievas on Nov 2, 2009 7:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Which long term deal will pay off the most

A) Alfonso Soriano’s (34) remaining contract:
5 years, $90 million

B) Vernon Wells’ (31) remaining contract:
5 years, $107 million

C) Carlos Lee (34) remaining contract
3 years, $55 million

D) Chase Utley’s (31) remaining contract:
4 years, $60 million

E) Barry Zito (32) remaining contract
4 years, $93 million

by StolenMonkey86 on Nov 2, 2009 8:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Lidge will face 5 of 6 possible Hall of Famers in the next inning....

First up is Possible Future Hall of Famer Jorge Posada…

then With his japanese and american career.. hideki matsui has a chance to get in..

then D jeter who is a lock

johnny damon is a great player but no hall of famer

texiera who is headed to the hall if he keeps up his stellar Regular season performances..

and a-rod who is going to the hall for sure..

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 8:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Apparently Madson is coming in

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thats a good call from the old man manuel...

actually second thought its not… lidge has blown 10 or 11 saves on the road this year and just one at home… i think he would have gotten it done…. but how funny would it be if madson gets in trouble and lidge comes in to save the game..

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, as bad as Lidge has been, pretty much any animate carbon-based life form can protect a 3-run lead (although as you pointed out against a tough lineup)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

madsen in trouble

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

one or the other

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

maddog!!

white people should never dance in public
hey its tex winters in the back!

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

From Jayson Stark
Most career World Series HR by LH hitters off LH pitchers: 5 — by Chase Utley and . . . Babe Ruth. Mickey Mantle non-LH-hitting leader (7)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

posada double

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just like that

Tying run to the plate
0 outs
top of lineup

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

tying run to da plate

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kurt Russell getting hammered on Bud Light

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

what happened to clifton lee???

missed the middle portion of da game

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Turns out he’s human

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this is new to me

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

jeter is human too

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2 runs through 6

on 100 or so pitches.

First 3 batters reached in the 7th, including a 2-run double by A-Rod to chase him

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DP

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hey almost the same position for damon

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No need to steal tonight

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe 1st :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

damon keeps it alive
nice

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WOW

Here come the big sticks.

by ishXdavid on Nov 2, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beautiful changeup

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Tex doesn’t bite on #2

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nasty stuff

Tex decided not to chase it again nxt pitch

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but he chased the last changeup

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wednesday it is

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

DAMN

I wish they could both lose.

by ishXdavid on Nov 2, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Boy

Madson exhibited some Grade A clutchiness.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 2, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Gamer of the Game™

by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

Jeter was most decidedly not a True Yankee tonight. Good thing he has a high baseball IQ and 4 WS Rings to more than establish his bona fides as a TY.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 2, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Lee player of the game, really?

Chase just entered Reggie Jackson post-season territory

by Julio Nievas on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

fox fail

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

seriouslyyy

fox f’ed up on that one…

2 homers 4 RBIs its obviously chase utley

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

they must still think this is game 1 cliff lee

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

did they forget he gave up 5 ERs?

whats his ERA for the day 7.00?

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Phillies win the World Series, what are the odds that we can push a straight-up Loney for Teixiera trade? Is anyone here a member of the NY sports media?

by StolenMonkey86 on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

texiera has choked pretty much this postseason...

if not for 2 timely hits… he’d be killed by the media/.. besides those 2 hits hes been HORRIBLE

by matthewmafa on Nov 2, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

about the same odds as loney and martin for fielder

like some nutty fan said

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But like I mentioned earlier in the season . . .

. . . Fielder really wanted to get inside the Dodger clubhouse.

by Dr. Geek on Nov 2, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

jesus utley

5 HRs
damn

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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