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Time for a quick fluff piece while we wait for the winter meetings. The Dodgers have had substantial success over the last two seasons but that success was mitigated by failure to advance past the NLCS.  Normally we at TBLA are a positive group but this November I'm feeling disgruntled about our future. So for every irritation I have with the team I'll try to counter with a positive.

Irriations Celebrations
James Loney going backward instead of forward. After his 2007 we had every reason to believe that Loney was going to be an impact player, instead over the last two years his offensive production has him ranked with the bottom feeders as this position.
He is a kick ass post season player, fun guy to root for, still has one more year to turn it around before he's gets to expensive for his production.
Our All-Star 2nd baseman not getting the time of day from the great communicator to explain why he sat most of Sept and the complete post-season. Trading for Ronny Belliard who inexplicably has been one of my favorite players to watch over the last few years, and then have him kick Kensai ass with a spectacular Sept performance.
Rafy Furcal playing just about every game and making Juan Pierre look like a great lead off hitter. At least he was healthy and played somewhat good defense.
Ivan DeJesus breaking his leg. The Beard putting up his best complete season of his career at age 35
Russel Martin turning into the bad Jason Kendall just 1 1/2 years after I picked him as a possible MVP in 2008. Now he's going to be expensive, his offense blows, and as Tripon Seanny Rotten noted in a fanshot, by some metrics his defense also blows. This is a particular irritation for me because one of the Dodgers huge advantages had been the big boost from the catching position. Without that advantage, it will be harder as the competition gets better and cheaper at the position while we get worse and expensive. Other then fact he's young and might turn it around I got nothing good to say about Martin other then his middle name.
Manny's deffered contract is going to be a pain in the ass for several years unless the owner increases payroll to make up for it. At least we should still have an above average LF for one more year, and Manny is always fun to watch.
Juan Pierre is still on the team, not because he can't be a decent players but because his salary is such an anchor on a team with what appears to be a very limited ability to spend money. My particular irritation is not with Pierre but with those who point to his time when he filled in for Manny and talk about how great he was. He was great, but it was for one month and they seem to incredibly forget he played two months and his suckitude in the 2nd month seems to have been completely forgotten. Beast Mode in May was one of the highlights of 2009.
Deferred contracts in general - I hate them.
After several years of TBLA telling everyone how good Billingsley is, he decides to become a five inning pitcher and sometimes not even that. You won't see any comparisons this year to Chad and the best of the historical Dodger pitchers 25 years and younger. All-Star Chad was quite a pitcher for the first few months of the year.
That Charlie Haeger didn't get more of a chance. Padilla took Lima time and doubled down.
That Scott Elbert didn't get one start this year.
That McDonald totally blew during his brief stint in the rotation possibly poisoning management from giving other kids a shot. Coming back into the bullpen and showing he still has big league stuff.
That Broxton didn't erase the ghost of Matt Stairs. What a regular season.Other then the stretch with the bad toe that was one of the best non enhanced steroid relief seasons in Dodger history.
Matt Kemp's 2nd half performance Matt Kemps complete season performance. He is already one of the best CF in the game. Please keep improving, you are a big reason to watch the Dodgers right now.
Kuo's fragile arm Kuo's incredible arm
That Carlos Santana is not a Dodger
That Josh Bell is not a Dodger
That Tony Abreu is not a Dodger
That other then Matt Kemp, and the younger version of the current Dodger catcher, Logan White has not provided the Dodgers with an impact bat during he reign. The plethora of pitchers that Logan White has provided for the Dodgers during his reign.
Jamie and Frank McCourt Josh Rawitch
The Divorce
Ned Colletti Ned Colleti
Drunken bad behavior Dodger Fans Drunken fun as hell Dodger fans
Rick Monday Vin Scully
Bil Plaschke Jon Weisman & Eric Stephen
Lambo's 2009 mediocre season Chris Withrow's excellent season
The fact that because Frank couldn't bite the bullet we will be paying Andruw Jones for years
Mark Loretta taking the Mark Sweeney route to retirement one at bat in the post season goes a long way toward forgiveness.
Manny's 50 game suspension still irks the hell out of me The future with Kershaw, Billingsley, Broxton, Andre, and Kemp.

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I'll take on some of those

James Loney loves to hit the ball in October, and for that he should always stick around. Great defense, good-not-great hitting during the regular season, but he’s great in October.

O-Dog’s coming off an all-star, gold glove winning season where he hit .283 and should be in Dodger blue again this year, even though he won’t be.

Furcal wasn’t a great signing. He’s still got that great arm, but everything else seems to have waned a bit.

Pierre is there, and nobody is going to take him unless we foot some of the bill for an AL team. He’s not worth the money, but as far as pinch-hitters, pinch-runners, 4th-outfielders, and great clubhouse guys go he’s pretty top notch.

I think a lot of guys (O-Dog, Kemp, Billingsley, Pierre, Manny) blew their loads a bit early last season and didn’t pace things out. Hopefully that’s something Torre and co can work out as I think the Giants, Rockies, and D-Backs will all be pretty good this year and even San Diego looked better towards the end of last year.

Chad Billingsley will be fine – whether he’s a Dodger or a Blue Jay! He’s 25!

You’re right about Haeger and Elbert. And Broxton.

I think a lot of guys (O-Dog, Kemp, Billingsley, Pierre, Manny) blew their loads a bit early last season and didn’t pace things out. Hopefully that’s something Torre and co can work out as I think the Giants, Rockies, and D-Backs will all be pretty good this year and even San Diego looked better towards the end of last year.

What bothers me the most about the McCourt’s divorce is that it will be used as an excuse for not spending more money. Plaschke is an idiot. Don’t worry about him.

All baseball teams have drunken asshole fans. I can’t keep going, I’m tired.

by bearface on Nov 22, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

reading comprehension

apparently i lack it. i completely missed that “celebrations” column on the right.

by bearface on Nov 22, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

is there such a thing as a drunk dodger fan behaving themselves ? I never seen it.

by peteyweestro on Nov 22, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 22, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a great list

And a lot of fun.
The pitching was great last season, the bullpen in particular.
Ned’s got his hands full this off season.
Torre’s gone from the ying to the yang (NY vs. LA) regarding the ability to aquire the players he wants.

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 22, 2009 11:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

awesome

this really sums up my thoughts over a fun season with a lot of ups and downs. We’ve got a lot to look forward to, but also some murkiness on the horizon

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Nov 22, 2009 11:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Celebration: our farm system is better than it has been from the past couple of years.
Frustration: its still going to get decimated because Colletti is going to trade the best ones so the other team picks up an established veteran’s salary.

by Tripon on Nov 22, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

AHEM

it was ME in a fanshot who showed Russell Martin’s D blows based on the only catcher defensive metric I’ve ever seen.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 22, 2009 1:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, fixed

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 22, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We talked about those rankings a couple of months back. They don’t really try to analyze what exactly a good catcher is.

by Tripon on Nov 22, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

awesome post. My frustration/celebration was how odog fell off a cliff offensively after an amazing start. That was alleviated somehwat by belliards pierre-like ability to be on fire for about 20 games, but it would have been great if Hudson could have sustained his first 2 months.

by LA Taco on Nov 22, 2009 1:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Marlon Anderson-esque

Was Belliard. The dude came through for the team with the bat.
He might be better with the glove if he lost his big fat tummy.

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 22, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

aacoording to UZR

he is better then hudson..

by matthewmafa on Nov 22, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

UZR isn’t like ops+. UZR sure didn’t see his glove get stiff or his feeds to ss look not so hot or watch him be just a few steps away from short flys over his head. Not to say he didn’t do great things, but had he been lighter and in better shape, he might have been a little lighter on his feet?

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 22, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

great post!

The humor in particular is much appreciated here. “Ned Colletti…Ned Colletti.” LOL Sometimes, I feel like if I don’t laugh, I’l cry.

Getting to the more technical aspects, I really do think that James Loney is going to breakout. It seemed like every game that went by in September, he got closer and closer to becoming the James Loney we expected a couple of years ago. The home runs he hit against Dan Haren was particularly memorable. And I still think that J. Mart can turn it around.

As for the announcers, Dodger fans will ALWAYS be up on Vin Scully, but do you really think Rick Monday was that bad? I think that he and Charlie Steiner make a great team. They’re not perfect, but NOBODY is all the time- including Vin. (oh boy, NOW I’m gonna get it)

Finally, my main frustration BY FAR is with the uncertain direction of what SHOULD be a bright future. While some Dodger fans still have visions of stars like Lackey or H#ll#day, I’m more worried about the guys we have now. When are Kemp and Ethier gonna get those long term deals already?!

by sarcastro9 on Nov 22, 2009 3:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The good news to me is that we have almost all the guys like ethier and kemp and loney under control for another 3 years, even if they are going to get costly in arb.

by nolander on Nov 22, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Phil Gurnee irritation/celebration

Irritation

Then vs. Than: Then = time. Than = comparisons.

Celebration

The content of his posts. Phil writes some of the best and well thought out pieces on this site. Also when everyone is bitching about how the game is going, he seems to be the only cool head around. Fuck this you say? There’s 27 outs in every baseball game! Sometimes less (rain) sometimes more. Remember 4+1? Gurnee didn’t panic. Remember when Loney hit that little flare to (2007) MVP My Ass Matt Holiday? Phil knew that was going to happen. Kirk Gibson? Gurnee said “Just try that backdoor slider and see what happens.”

by RandallP on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

No quite

I’m not quite sure what to make of this reply, but I do know that Phil Gurnee had no confidence during the 4+1 game and left early.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 6:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a fun way to look at the ups and downs of the season

Thanks for this!

I share many of these.

Now, shouldn’t Furcal’s plus column also include that he did pretty much rake for the last month plus the NLDS? (And then, negative, he again fell off the map in the NLCS)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos fan in Niners/Raiders country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Nov 23, 2009 7:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

He sucked so bad in the NLCS that fell into the complete season irritation.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Belliard

Belliard will go down as the forgotten hero of Game 2 against St. Louis. Everybody will remember Loretta, but Loretta came up to the plate with the game already tied. That’s because Belliard came to the plate with the Dodgers still down and hit a single to tie the game. Belliard had all the pressure; Loretta was already playing with house money.

by Michael White on Nov 23, 2009 8:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good point

I have a feeling he will be back next year but we’ll see. If so, we can cheer for him extra on opening day.

by LA Taco on Nov 23, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not just a key single

he had been hurt all week and the Dodgers had lost ever game he missed, then he stepped up and delivered the key base hit. If that "sucks’ then give me more.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that's true however i will always remember saying

‘all is forgiven’ after loreta’s hit

by XXDC2XX on Nov 27, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do Carlos Santana and/or Josh Bell count as impact bats provided by Logan White? They would tilt the scales in his favor on offense, IMO, regardless of the fact that the Dodgers didn’t keep them.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 8:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’m waiting for a Kate Beckinsale type girlfriend

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well damn . . .

you may as well wait on a Ted Williams type bat.

Seriously, Pujols and ARod are the two best RHB since DiMaggio, right!?

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 23, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Only if they turn into impact bats.

You can also add Andy LaRoche to that possible list. Still those are future possibilities and Logan has been running the draft for a number of years. Since 2002 he has yet to draft a top hitter who has turned into anything special. Players drafted in the first four rounds since 2002 (hitters only)
2002 – Loney, Nixon, D Young
2003 – Xavier Paul
2004 – DeWitt, Dunlap
2005 – DeJesus, Pedroza, Bell
2006 – Mattingly, Orr

Can’t judge 2007 or later at this point. Some decent pieces but not exactly a team you could build on, luckily he snagged Kemp and Martin later then round four.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Howard

I think he was a 5th or 6th rounder and was drafted before Logan’s tenure, but I wouldn’t know how to act if we could get a bat like that.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 23, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously...

what is it like to produce a ryan howard or albert or miguel caberra from your farm system.. the dodgers dont know… hopefully we will get a big time superstar power bat in the future.. or maybe we already have one developing in matt kemp

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

... as a ceiling, I believe.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 24, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a hell of a ceiling.

Wasn’t Ethier’s ceiling 25? Adrian Beltre’s 20 or 25?

AB’s is probably spot on minus that CRAZY anomaly in ’04. His 162 game average for his career is 24/yr.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 24, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Irritation

Joe Torre “chasing the wheel” WRT pitchers down the stretch and in the playoffs. Starting Wolf game 1, but Wolf struggles so he doesn’t pitch again until game 4 of the NLCS. Kershaw pitches well in NLDS, so Torre starts him game 1 of NLCS only to bury him after a poor start. Thinking Padilla is the ace. Starting Kuroda over Billingsley even though Kuroda was hurt all year and sat out the NLDS with an injury.

Celebrations

Joe Torre “getting it” WRT his hitters. After a year, realizing that Kemp and Ethier are top flight hitters. Not falling for one excellent month from Pierre and rightfully relegating him to the bench once Manny returned.

by Michael White on Nov 23, 2009 8:40 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

You actually have an irritationq

with Padilla getting the call after he success he had in the postseason? In hindsite I think it was simply brilliant he even used Padilla in the postseason.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was all strange. I don’t think Padilla is a good pitcher, but I didn’t mind him getting the nod over Garland for the post-season roster because Padilla is at least a strike out pitcher. But I didn’t like starting Padilla in front of Billingsley in the NLDS (even though it worked) and I thought it was odd that after 1 rough start Wolf was put on the shelf till game 4 with Padilla starting game 2. And then, after Kershaw’s tough start, skipping Kershaw’s turn in the rotation to start Padilla again—- when Padilla’s luck started to run out.

Postseason success is a small sample size, and I think Kershaw, Wolf and Billingsley are all better pitchers. No problem with Padilla going ahead of Garland though.

by Michael White on Nov 23, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There was nothing more odd to me this season was Padilla’s climb up the rotation ladder

August – pariah in Texas
August – reclamation project, 5th starter for Dodgers
September – with acquisition of Garland, Padilla was basically 6th starter
September – strong finish, Kuroda injury gets Padilla into the postseason rotation
NLDS – #3 starter
NLCS Gm 2 – #2 starter
NLCS Gm 5 – #1 starter (first Dodger to make 3 starts)

Crazy stuff.

I wonder how much money he cost himself with his final start. Just imagine if Padilla could have brought the Dodgers back home for a Game 6. He would have 3 strong playoff starts (at least) to head into the offseason. Instead, there is that gigantic seed of doubt of “oh yeah, that’s the sucky Padilla we remember” which is his final 2009 memory.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the stranger seasons I've ever witnessed

however the thing that struck me about Padilla is not that he had good results, it was that he was pitching well. His stuff as a Dodger was good, this was not a lucky pitcher during his tenure with us. His K rate was the highest of his career, his walk rate one of his lowest. His stuff had movement and control. At times he was simply brilliant. This was no Lima time, this was a dominant pitcher.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, seriously Those first 2 games in the post season, his fastball was fast with late movement. He looked amazing.

by LA Taco on Nov 23, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In hindsight

It’s easy to see Joe’s decision to pitch Kuroda in NLCS game 3 was a huge mistake, but up to that point I understood Joe’s logic. And to be fair, whether lucky or good, his NLDS decisions all seemed to work.

I also understood leaving Wolf to pitch in Philly since Joe thought he was probably the one pitcher on our staff (along with Kuroda) that would be least affected by the hostile environment. And that turned out to be correct as far as Wolf goes.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 23, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

which is why wolf should have gone game 3 and Billingsley game 4.

Kuroda had all KINDS of health problems in September & October, what with the concussion and his back. Bad move, Joe.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 24, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Other than replace him with BIlls this was the right call anyway

Torre got lucky in that when Kuroda got shelled the offense was shutdown and Wolf almost won the next game. It would have been worse to go Wolf – Kuroda. Obviously even bad Bills would have been better than bad Kuroda there though.

by Cool Dudes on Nov 24, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You never know . . .

I mean maybe Wolf hits a HR (not completely out of question), shatters the Phil’s pitcher’s confidence and sparks a Dodger epic playoff win!!!

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 24, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Irritation.....I don't get it.

It was a good season. I sometimes wonder if fans can ever be happy with anything less than a World Series? And even with that, I am sure people would find things to criticize…..Is there a GM, owner, manager, team out there that would be invincible to a fans ire? Who is your perfect team? How is it constructed? Can it ever be perfect? Is there a perfectly constructed team out there in MLB? Is it the Yankees, Angels, Red Sox, Indians, Royals? Do any of these teams have everything you can desire? Not for me.

by Ian Capilouto on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did you read the right side of the post?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I did.

I am would just like to hear what would constitute a perfect team in a writer/blogger/poster/fans eyes?

by Ian Capilouto on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No such thing exists

I’m sure even as we write, fans of the Yankee’s are complaining about something. If you went through this entire season without any irritations, then you have different view of baseball then I do.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not saying I don't get irritated. But I don't dwell on it is more what I am getting at I think.

For every time a Carlos Santana gets traded from your team, you end up with an Ethier, who so far has given me much more joy than Santana might ever do. For every Josh Bell traded, you get a George Sherrill, who had the legitimate possiblity of being the piece in the bullpen that made the team bullet proof in the playoffs.. I do get irritated, but baseball is an in-exact science, so failure can never be too angering for me. Players performance and transactions don’t upset me all that much…Eh, I am just being contemplative this morning, don’t mind me.

by Ian Capilouto on Nov 23, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

good post except if scott elbert got a start, i dunno, his control overall was just flat-out horrible so it would’ve been pretty frustrating to watch. i can just imagine him walking 3 straight batters on 12 pitches… ugly..

by LAD17 on Nov 23, 2009 9:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously . . .

that guy was money his entire minor league career – then gets to the bigs this year and he’s a tad bit better than playoff Rick Ankiel. Unbelievable.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 24, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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