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Right off the bat, I like the fact he's not increasing payroll and is basing his decisions on the current payroll. Anyone can make a better team by increasing payroll but that scenario may be unrealistic so let us see what he comes up with playing by the same rules as last year.

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another plan

or the same one LA taco posted on a fanshot a few days ago>?

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

Same plan

but I wanted it on the front page and while I can add it to the front page I can’t modify the date on fanshots so it will be lost under the other posts. It is a solid plan, I only have a few things I’d change but he addresses so many Dodger issues that everyone should read it.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

I think its a great plan too

Not sure if the numbers would work, but in terms of locking players up, I wouldn’t lock up Ethier and would throw that money into locking up Kershaw. Not sure if that would be enough to get it done though.

To me, Kershaw would be more of a priority than Ethier. If the Dodgers are going to have to operate along these lines (budget wise) Ethier is a player I would let walk once he is a FA.

by Michael White on Nov 23, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

I don’t think the Dodgers have any plans of locking up CK while he’s making 400K a year.

by silverwidow on Nov 23, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

too much risk involved with locking up a 21 year old

pitcher…

i would not lock him up and go year by year..

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

You wouldn't lock him up at all?

Or you wouldn’t lock him up until he reaches arbitration?

by Michael White on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

once he reachs arb..

right now it would be too big of a risk..

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Got it

Yup, you all make good points.

by Michael White on Nov 23, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I have no interest

in locking up Kershaw right now unless he signed a Longoria type deal.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

That decision was made because

Kershaw is making the minimum and Ethier is not.

The Dodgers can’t afford to bump his salary to like 3 million, as I technically went 1-2 million overbudget as it was. Otherwise, yes, I completely agree that Kershaw to a 6 or 7 year deal would be priority.

If the Dodgers had money, I would gamble on Billingsley as well.

by kensai on Nov 23, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

is Uggla Worth It?

- decent power, but who knows how that changes once he’s at Dodger Stadium
- strikes out all the time
- defense is awful
- $5.3 million salary

do we really need another russell martin?

by bearface on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

Uggla will make far more than $5.35m in 2010. That’s what he made in his first year of arb (2009). I would guess that we will make something like $19m over the next two years (both arbitration eligible)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

that's why you're the boss

but you’re just helping my point. wouldn’t our money be better off spent on pitching?

by bearface on Nov 23, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think I would pursue Uggla, because the cost in traded players would be high too. But I am intrigued, since as LA Taco said he is really the only power option at 2B.

However, I think an Uggla/SP combo could be had, especially if the SP signee (Wolf?) signs a McCourt special deferred contract, to ease some of the 2010 budget.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Another good option

with very good defense too.

Roughly same money over the next two years. I guess it would depend on the Reds asking price.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Regarding Uggla

the answer is yes.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm off to a company lunch

but I’ll track some down. Granted they are just rumors but your are not going to find a source that has the Marlin GM being quoted as “I’m moving Uggla”.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I love me potlucks

Turkey, lasagna, macNcheese, hot wings, barbecued wings, garlic mashed potatoes, creamed corn, and a plethora baked desserts. Small company living at it’s finest.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Phillips

seems like it was mostly speculation, as beat writer John Fay said on Saturday:

Trading Brandon Phillips, I’m told, to balance the budget is not an option

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

That’s why I choose Uggla.

Phillips too, but he hates taking a walk and people still pay for him like he’s the guy he was in 2006 or whenever that was.

by kensai on Nov 23, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

dont like phillips

hes really a plattoon player…

vs LHP in career .295 .343 .509 .852
vs RHP in career .253 .301 .399 .700

plus hes been a lot better at home then on the road the last 2 years

Also he has had an advantage of playing in The cincinnatti Bandbox…

Home :.272 .323 .454 .777
Road: .257 .302 .407 .709

if you think ugglas power would decline in doder stadium then just imagine what wwould happen to brandon phillips

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

there was an article on this as well

by kensai on Nov 23, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I think his defense is actually sub-par, but not awful. There’s a big difference. But that may not be accurate, there are no perfect defense metrics.

I think the deal with Uggla is that 2B is the only position the Dodgers really have a chance to get more power out of, and he’s the only available 2B with that kind of pop.

by LA Taco on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

plus the guy is improving big time...

check out his walk totals…

he gonna hit 30 Home runs next year, strike out at least 140 times… walk 90 times…

if mccourt wants to win he would get this guy…

imagine a lineup of manny ethier kemp and uggla with loney protecting them as a dependable RBI man.. with casey blake there too..

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

That would be a sweet lineup, for sure

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I like it

Furcal SS
Kemp CF
Ethier RF
Manny LF
Uggla 2B
Loney 1B
Blake 3B
Martin C

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

i really hate putting furcal and his .330 OBP first..

but its really the only option..

and lol no russell martin isnt a option..

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I just figured we pretty much know Furcal will be leading off

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

If Mama's boy would take that damn "J" off of his uni

he’d be back to normal. i swear that’s all it’ll take!

by bearface on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

He didn’t have the “J” in the second half of 2008 :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

it sounds great

but i have a feeling he’ll lose power at Dodger Stadium. 1 homerun in 51 career at bats there.

by bearface on Nov 23, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s the best way to judge how Uggla would do in LA.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Decent power?

30 HR every year in Florida, which is not a hitter’s park btw.

by kensai on Nov 23, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Off topic

If you ever wanted to see Paula Deen get hit in the face by a ham, today is your day

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions  

lol, I didn’t necessarily want to see that but it was worth the click,

by LA Taco on Nov 23, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

meant to add after the comma: although that looked like it hurt. Why the hell were they chucking hams around anyway?

by LA Taco on Nov 23, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

the first rule of Ham Throw is that there is no Ham Throw

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d save the money and players and just go with DeWitt/Belliard until DeJesus is ready. Spend the money on more pitching.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

I guess the time is about right for a dueling TBLA plan

though we’d probably agree more then disagree.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

in Billingsley’s case, I hope just the one year is enough. (If in fact his leg led to him hitting a wall and getting fatigued later in the season, I don’t know)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah..

 i think bills being average in the 2nd half was his leg more then anything…

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought

you said it was because he doesn’t throw a change-up:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

You would go for like Harden or something instead?

I think even if we don’t have Uggla, we have about 11 million to get a 2B and a pitcher.

by kensai on Nov 23, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we have 11 Million

to get two pitchers and one 2nd baseman, which is why Uggla will be two expensive for us. And that is with moving Pierre’s contract which may or may not happen.

So while I’d love Sheets/Harden/Bedard I don’t expect to end up with anything but Padilla/Garland. We really should do two outlooks, one we’d do if we were GM and one we expect Ned to do based on his historical tendancies.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 23, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Padilla/Garland will be just as much if not more though

I can’t see them coming cheap.

by kensai on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Last year Garland signed a contract in late January that guaranteed him $9.75M for 1 year if the team declined the 2010 option (at $10M), which the Dodgers did. Garland is a year older, but had better results and slightly better peripherals in 2009, so a similar contract for next year isn’t out of the question.

The questions about Padilla’s makeup stemming from his DFA out of Texas may lower demand for him some, he’s two years older than Garland, and his results over several seasons have been worse than Garland’s, so I’d guess he ends up with less than Garland, perhaps more incentive-laden.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 25, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Still, to pay what seems like the rest of the payroll to guys who are basically #4-#5 types seems a bit much.

by kensai on Nov 30, 2009 3:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Given the Current Realities

I like the idea of signing the guys to the long term contracts to stabilize the organization.

Then, once ownership gets settled it would be pretty easy to just add some free agents and bam, you have a great team again.

I would probably just stalk the infield from the farm and go after starting pitching though if there is any money to sign free agents.

by Cool Dudes on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

Also

The Dodgers should be accounting the profits for 2008 and 2009 to pay for the players with deferred compensation (Manny, AJ, Nomar, etc.). The money should be expensed already, so you shouldn’t really be counting on future profits to pay for past compensation (i.e. you should put the future salaries in the bank from the profits and accumulate interest until they are paid). If you don’t, it is just a shell game that you are eventually going to loose. But given current ownership, mortgaging the future for the past is probably a done deal and exactly why I want those guys out.

by Cool Dudes on Nov 23, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody defers money if they have it.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Right,

Profits went to interest payments on loans.

Its a big shell game that will collapse eventually without the infusion of more capital.

Deferring salary is also a way of earning profits before having to pay out an investment, players are agreeable because they have to stretch out their earnings over their lifetime anyway and the money, unlike the stock market is guaranteed.

But the idea should be that the “investment” only has a beneficial affect that lasts for one year, the year you the player played, so you need to pay for it that year. It doesn’t add any value past that time (no one went to a game this year based upon what Nomar did last year), so it should be paid for from profits at that time. So it can also be used as a responsible way to maintain cash flow, not just as a “free” loan.

by Cool Dudes on Nov 23, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

“the king of leverage”

by LA Taco on Nov 24, 2009 4:19 AM PST up reply actions  

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2010 Dodger Payroll

Pos No Player 2010 Salary
C 28 Barajas $117,486
1B 7 Loney $3,100,000
2B  13 Theriot $909,290
3B 23 Blake $6,000,000
SS 15 Furcal $8,500,000
LF  21 Podsednik $640,710
CF 27 Kemp $4,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $6,000,000

SS/2B/3B 14 Carroll $1,475,000
OF 5 Johnson $850,000
OF/1B 31 Gibbons $155,738
C 12 Ausmus $850,000
C 17 Ellis $332,241
IF 60 Hu $74,350
PH/1B 35 Lindsey $61,202
1B/3B 9 Mitchell $61,202
OF 49 Oeltjen $59,016

SP 22 Kershaw $440,000
SP 58 Billingsley $3,850,000
SP 18 Kuroda $14,100,000
SP  29 Lilly $1,696,721
SP 44 Padilla $4,025,000

CL 56 Kuo $950,000
RHP 51 Broxton $4,000,000
RHP  26 Dotel $636,612
RHP 74
Jansen $159,563
RHP 54 Belisario $297,541
RHP 38 Troncoso $297,792
RHP 36 Weaver $800,000
LHP 52 Sherrill $4,500,000
RHP 37 Monasterios $460,000
RHP  48 Ely $222,951
RHP 50 Link $109,649

DL 59 Schlichting $185,792
60DL 55 Martin $5,050,000

Manny $7,267,760


Pierre $4,000,000


Andruw $3,600,000


Schmidt $2,000,000


Wolf $2,000,000


Hudson $1,440,000


Nomar $1,250,000
Belliard $825,000
Anderson $409,699
Ra.Ortiz $349,727
AAA 45 Miller $292,623
DeWitt $266,612


Ohman $200,000
AAA 49 Haeger $195,393
AAA 47 Wade $194,514
AAA 30 Paul $131,147


Repko $122,951
Green $96,175
Ru.Ortiz $63,934
 
Taschner $39,344


Zerpa $35,000
Castro $32,787
McDonald $28,771
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