Updated Dodger 1st Baseman Win Shares
For the last two years I've done a rundown of Los Angeles Dodger Win Shares. In many circles Win Shares has become passe as WAR has become the stat of choice, but because I built the complete Win Share database based on data in the original book plus the subsequent Bill James Handbooks I haven't felt like letting go. For those who have never heard of Win Shares, it is a statistic created by Bill James the author of the great The Bill James Baseball Abstract series which changed many a baseball fans perception of the game. I used to link to a Rob Neyer review of Win Shares but the article is now gone. For a more recent story, THT compares WAR to Win Shares. THT used to carry their own tweaked version of Win Shares but stopped after the 2008 season. Here is what the 2008 Season Win Share breakdown looked like.
Sure Win Shares is not the be all stat, but it is still interesting to see how the breakdown works. It is a complex algorithm but the guts is that each team is credited with three win shares per actual win. Bill James then works his magic to allocate those wins based on statistical measures to each player on the team.
Here is the 2009 season update.
| Los Angeles Dodgers 2009 Win Shares |
| Player | Win Shares |
| Matt Kemp | 26 |
| Andre Ethier | 21 |
| Orlando Hudson | 20 |
| Casey Blake | 19 |
| James Loney | 18 |
| Manny Ramirez | 18 |
| Rafael Furcal | 17 |
| Russell Martin | 16 |
| Jon Broxton | 16 |
| Randy Wolf | 14 |
| Juan Pierre | 12 |
| Clayton Kershaw | 12 |
| Chad Billingsley | 9 |
| Ramon Troncoso | 8 |
| Ronaldo Belisario | 7 |
| Hiroki Kuroda | 5 |
| Jeff Weaver | 5 |
| G Mota | 4 |
| Hong-Chih Kuo | 3 |
| Mark Loretta | 3 |
| James McDonald | 3 |
| Brad Ausmus | 3 |
Castro and Stults had two each, while EyeChart, Wade, Abreu, Milton, Haeger, and Elbert had a single win share. Based on the formual the Dodgers would have had 285 win shares (95 * 3) to spread among it's players. I have no way of knowing how many win shares Sherrill(13), Belliard(7), and Padilla(8) had since they don't break them up per team. If you add up all of the Dodgers including those three we have 13 extra win shares which means they should be divided among the trade/waiver deadline pickups.
James Loney was the only 1st baseman of note to garner any Win Shares for the Dodgers in 2009. His season was quite pedestrian by most measures but he did have the 5th most win shares on the team in 2009 with 18. He's yet to crack the top 10 single season win share mark but after only three full seasons he's moved into 5th place on the all-time 1st baseman Win Share list passing Gil Hodges and Greg Brock. For many of you this is the first time you have seen this list, so I'll remind you that this only includes Los Angeles Dodgers. It has been 19 years since the last memorable season by a Dodger 1st baseman.
| Los Angeles Dodgers Seasonal Win Share Leaders for 1st Baseman |
| Player | Order | Career Win Shares | Year | Win Shares |
| Murray, Eddie | 1st | 68 | 1990 | 31 |
| Parker, Wes | 2nd | 146 | 1970 | 29 |
| Garvey, Steve | 3rd | 223 | 1974 | 27 |
| Garvey, Steve | 4th | 223 | 1976 | 26 |
| Karros, Eric | T-5th | 175 | 1995 | 25 |
| Garvey, Steve | T-5th | 223 | 1978 | 25 |
| Garvey, Steve | T-5th | 223 | 1975 | 25 |
| Karros, Eric | T-8th | 175 | 1998 | 22 |
| Garvey, Steve | T-8th | 223 | 1980 | 22 |
| Garvey, Steve | T-8th | 223 | 1979 | 22 |
For the career totals and complete seasonal leaders for 1st baseman click on read more.
Many Dodgers played 1st and the outfield. Ron Fairly was the 1st baseman for the early part of the 60's before Wes Parker took over. Mike Marshall played many games at 1st and in the outfield. Same with Franklin Stubbs. Someday I may break out the career numbers but for now I'm lumping them into the 1st/OF category.
| Career Win Shares for LA Dodger 1st Baseman |
| Player | TWS | Pos |
| Garvey, Steve | 223 | 1st |
| Karros, Eric | 175 | 1st |
| Parker, Wes | 146 | 1st |
| Murray, Eddie | 68 | 1st |
| Loney, James | 51 | 1st |
| Brock, Greg | 47 | 1st |
| Hodges, Gil | 37 | 1st |
| Garciaparra, Nomar | 29 | 1st |
| Farily, Ron | 142 | 1st/OF |
| Mike, Marshall | 108 | 1st/OF |
| Buckner, Billy | 80 | 1st/OF |
| Larker, Norm | 35 | 1st/OF |
| Stubbs, Franklin | 34 | 1st/OF |
| Los Angeles Dodgers Seasonal Win Share Leaders for 1st Baseman |
| Player | Pos | Career Win Shares | Year | Win Share Per Season |
| Murray, Eddie | 1st | 68 | 1990 | 31 |
| Parker, Wes | 1st | 146 | 1970 | 29 |
| Garvey, Steve | 1st | 223 | 1974 | 27 |
| Garvey, Steve | 1st | 223 | 1976 | 26 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 1995 | 25 |
| Garvey, Steve | 1st | 223 | 1978 | 25 |
| Garvey, Steve | 1st | 223 | 1975 | 25 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 1998 | 22 |
| Garvey, Steve | 1st | 223 | 1980 | 22 |
| Garvey, Steve | 1st | 223 | 1979 | 22 |
| Murray, Eddie | 1st | 68 | 1989 | 21 |
| Garvey, Steve | 1st | 223 | 1977 | 21 |
| Farily, Ron | 1st | 142 | 1963 | 21 |
| Farily, Ron | 1st | 142 | 1962 | 21 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 1999 | 20 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 1996 | 20 |
| Parker, Wes | 1st | 146 | 1965 | 20 |
| Garciaparra, Nomar | 1st | 29 | 2006 | 18 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 2002 | 18 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 1997 | 18 |
| Parker, Wes | 1st | 146 | 1971 | 18 |
| Parker, Wes | 1st | 146 | 1969 | 18 |
| Loney, James | 1st | 51 | 2009 | 18 |
| Parker, Wes | 1st | 146 | 1966 | 17 |
| Farily, Ron | 1st | 142 | 1964 | 17 |
| Hodges, Gil | 1st | 37 | 1959 | 17 |
| Loney, James | 1st | 51 | 2007 | 16 |
| Murray, Eddie | 1st | 68 | 1991 | 16 |
| Loney, James | 1st | 51 | 2008 | 15 |
| Brock, Greg | 1st | 47 | 1985 | 15 |
| Brock, Greg | 1st | 47 | 1983 | 15 |
| Garvey, Steve | 1st | 223 | 1982 | 15 |
| Parker, Wes | 1st | 146 | 1967 | 15 |
| Farily, Ron | 1st | 142 | 1961 | 15 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 2000 | 14 |
| Parker, Wes | 1st | 146 | 1972 | 14 |
| Larker, Norm | 1st | 35 | 1960 | 14 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 1992 | 13 |
| Garvey, Steve | 1st | 223 | 1981 | 13 |
| Parker, Wes | 1st | 146 | 1968 | 12 |
| Hodges, Gil | 1st | 37 | 1958 | 12 |
| Garvey, Steve | 1st | 223 | 1973 | 11 |
| Buckner, Billy | 1st | 80 | 1973 | 11 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 1993 | 10 |
| Stubbs, Franklin | 1st | 34 | 1987 | 9 |
| Brock, Gregg | 1st | 47 | 1986 | 9 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 2001 | 8 |
| Brock, Greg | 1st | 47 | 1984 | 8 |
| Larker, Norm | 1st | 35 | 1959 | 8 |
| Karros, Eric | 1st | 175 | 1994 | 7 |
| Larker, Norm | 1st | 35 | 1958 | 7 |
| Stubbs, Franklin | 1st | 34 | 1988 | 6 |
| Larker, Norm | 1st | 35 | 1961 | 6 |
| Hodges, Gil | 1st | 37 | 1961 | 5 |
| Farily, Ron | 1st | 142 | 1959 | 5 |
| Loney, James | 1st | 51 | 2006 | 3 |
| Parker, Wes | 1st | 146 | 1964 | 3 |
| Hodges, Gil | 1st | 37 | 1960 | 3 |
| Farily, Ron | 1st | 142 | 1958 | 2 |
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I still don't completely understand this.
But I do understand that WHY THE FUCK DOES JOE TORRE HATE O-DOG SO MUCH?
by bearface on Nov 30, 2009 7:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
2001 Karros Sucked...
Thanks for reminding me!!
by delias man on Nov 30, 2009 8:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey internet shoppers
MLB.com is having a 20% off sale today. That pretty much covers S&H.. http://shop.mlb.com/home/index.jsp
by Julio Nievas on Nov 30, 2009 8:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reminder: BA Dodgers top 10 comes out Friday
Last year, I was able to get the actual magazine with the list beforehand, but that won’t be the case this time. I wonder if any subscribers read this site and might want to give a sneak preview?
by silverwidow on Nov 30, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anticipation
is the spice of life.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 30, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How much, as in how much of a preview or how much money?
by silverwidow on Nov 30, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s expensive. I believe one year of the magazine is something like $95 (exact rates are somewhere on the website). You can get a web only subscription, though, that’s a lot cheaper.
by silverwidow on Nov 30, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
$66 for a one-year subscription is a bit too much for me.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 30, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Scott Elbert
Josh Lindblom
Chris Withrow
Dee Gordon
Ethan Martin
in some order will be top 5
by Julio Nievas on Nov 30, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Elbert and Lindblom
will not make their top 5. Just a guess there.
The other two will probably be Lambo and perhaps A Miller.
by silverwidow on Nov 30, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
with BA you really have to look at how players did in the top 20 league reviews. Since neither Elbert or Lindblom made the top 20 you can remove them from consideration. My guess:
Dee Gordon
Chris WIthrow
Andrew Miller
Ethan Martin
Trayvon Robinson or Lambo
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 30, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yuck is right
wonder if he’ll ever amount to anything (talking about Andrew)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 30, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For El Lay Dave
saw this on Twitter (re-tweeted by Jon Weisman):
Zooey Deschanel is a Dodgers fan! i love her. :]
by Eric Stephen on Nov 30, 2009 10:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
She needs to be invited to throw out a first pitch.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 1, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Back to win shares
I think it is amazing we haven’t had a 1st baseman with more then 22 Win Shares since 1998. That is a decade of average to below average production from a key slugging position.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 30, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
2000s were light years for Dodger 1B
2000-2009
All NL 1B: .279/.364/.482, .846 OPS
NL team avg: 92 runs, 28 HR, 100 RBI, 78 walks, 37 doubles
Dodgers 1B: .273/.340/.445, .785 OPS
Dodger avg: 81 runs, 23 HR, 101 RBI , 61 walks, 33 doubles
Dodgers OPS rank at 1B by year:
2000: 15th (of 16 teams)
2001: 12th
2002: 13th
2003: 16th
2004: 12th
2005: 6th
2006: 4th
2007: 13th
2008: 12th
2009: 14th
by Eric Stephen on Nov 30, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First base is a tough position to fill
Power hitting first basemen are pretty expensive (Texiera) so the Dodgers need to develop power hitting corner infielders in their system. Problem is (as you’ve noted) hat the Dodgers haven’t done a good job of developing power hitters or they trade them away (Bell, Santana) to save some money.
To me, if the Dodgers miraculously had the money and desire to trade for Halladay, I would argue the smarter move would be to target M Cabrera. It’s simply easier to find/develop top pitchers as opposed to top first basemen.
by Michael White on Nov 30, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Surprisingly you are right
even though at first blush it would seem to be easier to find slugging 1st baseman. I would also rather target M Cabrera and even wrote a big ole fanpost on the subject last week but scuttled it when I decided it would never happen under the current financial cloud.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 30, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just have to ask
I don’t follow football very much anymore but I do remember many non Green Bay friends for some strange reason being offended that Brett Favre just didn’t want to stay retired. After watching him last night, don’t most of you feel foolish?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 30, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Brett Favre
Was my favorite player growing up. In ‘97, I sent him a letter through the address ’Sports Illustrated for Kids’ provided. Weeks later, I got a signed autograph postcard, with the picture of that looks kind of like this. He wrote something as “Thanks for the kind words and being a fan of mine Julio..” and I forgot the rest. That was pretty special to me.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 30, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MJ and Grant Hill never wrote back :(
by Julio Nievas on Nov 30, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a big football fan either, but
I can understand feeling “offended”- it was the WAY he went back and forth, not the fact that he didn’t stay retired. He made a big deal of saying goodbye, then when he changed his mind almost immediately after, HE was the one who was offended that Green Bay wouldn’t take him back. The fact that he made such a big deal of it two off-season in a row didn’t help. It wasn’t at all about his talent, but I won’t lie when I say I would’ve at least snickered a LITTLE bit had he fallen flat on his face. :)
(The Sears commercial was a nice touch, though- at least it showed he had a little bit of a sense of humor about the whole thing.)
by sarcastro9 on Nov 30, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Edwin Jackson semi-update
from Jon Heyman:
hearing #tigers sought young pitchers brandon morrow and shawn kelley for edwin jackson. #mariners apparently said no.
Sounds like the pricey reliever for the return of E-Jax plan wouldn’t work.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 30, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Danys Baez is a free agent this year
so he won’t be traded for Edwin Jackson again
by StolenMonkey86 on Nov 30, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He recruited real good position players
I see him more of a coordinator than a coach.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 30, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too…we may have to actually play well to beat them once they get a new coach.
by KellyStephen on Nov 30, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The two coaches before Weis were also horrible
Before the Hawaii bowl win last year the Irish hadn’t won a bowl game since 95. A lot of that is thanks to the media artificially propping up ND so they are in bowl games they can’t possibly compete in (the BCS games against Oregon State, Ohio State, and LSU come to mind) but that program has been in trouble for a while. The reason for the recent dominance of USC over ND has less to do with the ND head coach than it does with the USC head coach. Stewart Mandel said it best, Notre Dame is no better than Stanford or Northwestern. They will occasionally sport good teams (like Stanford this year and Northwestern in 95) but the days of Notre Dame dominance is over.
by Michael White on Nov 30, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs



















