Wolf, Hudson are Type A Free Agents

The Elias free agent rankings have been released and, as expected, the Dodgers have two Type A free agents -- Randy Wolf and Orlando Hudson. Ken Gurnick dropped the news today, which confirms the projections from Eddie Bajek, who has been tracking these rankings all year.

The Dodgers' Type B free agents are Ronnie Belliard, Jon Garland, Guillermo Mota, Will Ohman, and Vicente Padilla.

If offered arbitration, Type A free agents net two compensatory picks: a first rounder (most of the time) plus a supplemental pick in between the first and second rounds. Type B free agents only net a supplemental pick.

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wolf will be offered for SURE!

Hudson in the middle and towards the end looked like he would too for sure… UNTIL the benching and i really doubt that he will be offered now… and none of the type Bs are gonna get offered besides Maybe ronnie belliard

by matthewmafa on Nov 5, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I agree

and I think we are both in agreement that Hudson should be offered arb, but likely won’t

by Eric Stephen on Nov 5, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yupp

he should be,,, but like wont.. as u said

by matthewmafa on Nov 5, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just curious

why wouldn’t he? He wouldn’t accept it and we get 2 picks.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 5, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

It seems obvious

but I can see them being risk averse and not wanting to be forced to pay Hudson somewhere between $7-10 million or so if he were to accept (which I don’t think he will)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 5, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah - Dodgers are way too cheap to risk him accepting

not how a big market team should be doing business, but oh well. It’s not like we’d be screwed or anything if he accepted, but you are right, they won’t offer.

by oshea2002 on Nov 5, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hudson.. he made overrall more then 8 mill this year correct..

so there is no way the arbitrator would lower his salary and i think he would make at least 10 mill.. am i right or is that wrong?

by matthewmafa on Nov 5, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He made $7.99m in 2009, but of course it was an incentive laden deal. A case could be made that he is too much of an injury risk going forward (he averaged only 137 games played over the last seven years, and only cracked 150 games once). If Hudson asks for too much, it could be an easier case for the Dodgers to win.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

oh alright..

so its just like with ethier last year… where ethier submits a figure and the dodgers submit one? and the arbritatror picks which one wins/?

by matthewmafa on Nov 5, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

by Eric Stephen on Nov 5, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty much.

The way I think it works is, both sides make their case to the arbiter. After the arguments are heard, the two parties (the Dodgers and the player) submit what they would like from the contract. Without seeing those bids, the arbiter also writes down what he/she thinks the Player is worth. Whichever one is closer to the arbiter, wins.

The logic to this method is it forces both parties to put in a reasonable offer for fear of losing outright.

by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The two sides exchange salary figures in advance of the hearing. They need to submit salaries between January 5-15, and the hearings aren’t until February.

Each arbitration hearing is a 3-man panel, and the arbiters are given a list of every MLB player’s salary and service time as of August 31 of the previous season.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What confuses me

is that if he’s so certain to leave, why not take the risk? I know this is Ned we’re talking about though.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 5, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

cause ned would be like

we are gonna get a pick from whoever signs wolf and we dont need more then 3 picks early in the rounds cause it’ll cost too much…

i seriously think he thinks this… cause of the mccourts or whatever the situation is..

by matthewmafa on Nov 5, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

I realize my question is ultimately futile thanks to the McCourts.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 5, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes...

…no doubt in my mind the Dodgers would see it as a financial burden having too many early draft picks.

by CanuckDodger on Nov 5, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yes but

the A’s had a ton of early pics through the late 90’s and into the early ’00’s and saved boatloads of money by drafting people they could get away with paying little for.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 6, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Spending signifigant sums of money seems to be more difficult for the Dodgers now more than ever. Be it a free agent, trading for players with contracts larger than already on hand, or paying big money for #1 picks. Ouch!
They will still be happy to accept money for parking, tickets, etc., however.

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 5, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

It will be interesting to see if the market is so weak that both Wolf and Hudson fall back into the Dodgers laps just like last year. Maybe all parties realize they are the best match for each other.

by delias man on Nov 5, 2009 10:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs

I can see Wolf coming back, but as for Hudson, did Tina Turner go back to Ike? :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 5, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but did Ike lie to Tina about being hurt?

Come to this century and use Bobby Whitney references!

by delias man on Nov 5, 2009 11:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Get with it people: Rhianna/Chris Brown!

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 6, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d offer both Wolf and Hudson arbitration. I wouldn’t worry to much about the extra draft picks, we don’t have protected status so if we sign A free agents we’d lose our own pick. I’d love to have them both back for one year at arbitration rates if we were lucky enough to have them accept but I’d be willing to gamble that neither would accept arbitration. Wolf because he should be able to get the deal he wanted last year and Hudson because we have probably burned our bridge with him by benching him for the playoffs and with the Sanchez deal on the books he should be able to get at least the same deal.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 5, 2009 10:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

You say yes
Frank says no
Ned says why
I say I don’t know …

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 5, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Awesome

I say exactly why not? Draft picks mid-priced 2nd baseman, fan favorite, what’s not to like. Price 8 million max.

Frank Says:

Having Boston/Indians/Arizona pay my players salary: Priceless.

I wonder if Ned ever feels like a vagabond at his power lunches with other GMs:

Are you going to eat that?

by Cool Dudes on Nov 5, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Is Hudson upset at being benched in the playoffs or

that he was benched in the last month? He hit .227/.354/.364/.718 in Sept/Oct while Belliard was white hot, what did he expect to happen?

If he’s only upset at the playoffs benching, he has a gripe there.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 5, 2009 11:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I want my $8,000,000.00 so I can get pissy too.

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 5, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt he’s pissy, he probably just really wanted to play in the playoffs, which is what you’d expect.

by LA Taco on Nov 6, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Simers quoted him not long after the All Star break.
Dude said he was definetly not returning.
Maybe a female employee tried to hit on him and he didn’t appreciate it?
More likely he knew there was no way he was getting a multi year deal in LA going in.

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 6, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes I remember that

He was quoted sometime in August saying he wasn’t coming back. It was a quick blurb in response to Manny shouting around the clubhouse that he was definitely going to be back next year.

It’s as if Hudson just wasn’t happy here and there’s more to that than his benching.

by Capt Obvious on Nov 6, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point above on why the Dodgers will decline offering Hudson

they don’t want the draft picks. We are dead last in bonus money paid the past 3 years or so.

by oshea2002 on Nov 6, 2009 7:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Link for that statement

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Shaikin's article Wednesday

which ignored the context of where the Dodgers were picking of course

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-shaikin4-2009nov04,0,5095602.story

The Dodgers have paid $8.5 million in signing bonuses for draft picks over the last two years — the lowest figure among all major league teams, according to Baseball America.

The Dodgers, so proud of their heritage in Asia and Latin America, today are a non-factor in bidding for top amateur players abroad. In 2008, according to Baseball America, major league clubs combined to sign 115 such players for bonuses of more than $100,000. The Dodgers did not sign one.

“They’re definitely not the pioneering team they were,” Baseball America editor John Manuel said. “They’ve squandered that advantage.”

The international stuff is much more relevant, IMO

by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Shaikin was implying that the Dodgers won’t pay top money for their draft picks. The Red Sox and Yankees pick on the bottom of the rounds each year but they constantly pay over slot for their players.

Well, the Red Sox more than the Yankees, but it shows that they realize that its an investment.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If that was his angle

he should have brought up Alex White, Kyle Blair, et al. I don’t think Shaikin was delving that deep.

I do agree, though, that the Dodgers should be utilizing their big market advantage in the signing of amateur players.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

For instance, I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to compare the Dodgers, who didn’t have a first round pick, to teams with high picks or multiple picks.

Also, it seems disingenuous to complain that they won’t spend money on the draft when they committed to between $3.38 million (the base of Hudson’s contract) to $8 million for O-Dog rather than keep a pick that would have netted somewhere between a $1.7 million bonus or so.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Until the rules change

big market teams HAVE to own the draft $$$ wise. Boston totally gets it, and NY does too. Mix in our complete apathy internationally right now, and it’s not a great picture. I’m still bitter about the Blair deal.

by oshea2002 on Nov 6, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You said three years which is why I asked for the link

since it is easy to do that comparison for two years since it excludes the 2006 Kershaw bonus and ignores the fact we had no 1st round pick in 2009. I’m not defending the McCourts but the quote

We are dead last in bonus money paid the past 3 years or so.

is what bothered me.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can the Dodgers offer arb, and if he accepts, then trade him

by Dodgers1981 on Nov 6, 2009 8:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yes

by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

JonathanMayoB3

It’s official: #Brewers send JJ Hardy to #Twins for OF Carlos Gomez. Guess the Alcides Escobar era will begin in Milwaukee.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 9:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

good deal for both teams I guess

don’t know much about Gomez except that he’s cheper and younger than Cameron. Hardy might rebound and in any case he plays good defense or at least used to.

by LA Taco on Nov 6, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gomez is very, very, very fast. Might be the fastest player in baseball. Very good defensively too.

Of course, he hasn’t hit, at least not yet (73 career OPS+), but who knows he might turn it around.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I just find it funny that they already given up on the center piece for Johan Santana.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You are finding a lot of things funny this morning :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I need to laugh. :(

I gotta finish writing the last three pages of this paper

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

what’s it on?

by LA Taco on Nov 6, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How divorce proceedings impact MLB ownership interests?

by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The merits of the model minority stereotype.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m glad I’m out of school.

because I have no idea what that even means

by LA Taco on Nov 6, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Basically that Asians do well in school, and work hard, and if this stereotype actually hinders or help Asians in America.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So instead of being about the McCourts as mwhite06 suggested, it’s about Arte Moreno?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 6, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Arte Moreno is Asian? :)

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If you trace his family tree far enough, back to the when his great-…-great-grandparents crossed the land bridge, now covered by the Bering Straits, from Russia to Alaska, sure he’s Asian!

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 6, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and before that Africa

Where we All came from!

by Cool Dudes on Nov 6, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

D'Backs pick up Webb's option.

I find it funny that the D’backs were at least entertaining paying Garland more than Webb in 2010 for a while. )

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

They also were originally trying to strongarm Webb into accepting less than his 2010 option. No WAY he's on the club past '11.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 7, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The Royals declined their 2010 options on Coco Crisp, Miguel Olivo, and Yasuhiko Yabuta, according to a team press release.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

LoDuca - Horses, Comeback? He will need Horse Steroids

http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_13726073?IADID=Search-www.dailybreeze.com-www.dailybreeze.com

by delias man on Nov 6, 2009 10:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ah the Daily Debris

I used to throw that rag at houses from the handlebars of my Schwinn StingRay

by MammothDodger on Nov 6, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

With the classic high and wide handle bars, banana seat, and sissy bar, I hope. (I never had a StingRay, though I am the right age to have had a classic, so I am jealous, even all these years later.)

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 6, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

shit that could be me and one of my brothers

by MammothDodger on Nov 6, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fantasy World

Dodgers sign Bay and Holliday. Bay to left, Holliday to 1B.
Never happen.
Manny, Loney and prospects for top of the rotation pitching.

by 68elcamino427 on Nov 6, 2009 11:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Would Bay ever hit it out of Dodger Stadium?

by Cool Dudes on Nov 6, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bretty Myers is available

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/phillies-wont-pursue-brett-myers.html

by oshea2002 on Nov 6, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Luckily there are wonderful makeup artists in the LA area.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe we can trade for Hamels

since they Phillies fans are all butt-hurt about his lack of heart and grit.

Blake Dewitt for Hamels!

by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This offseason...

is gonna suck so much….

by UCLAClass82 on Nov 6, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. Very boring.

by delias man on Nov 6, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Last Year it was Manny 24/7 and this year its McCourts 24/7 which seems like a downgrade

What Would Jack Bauer Do?

by Sordid on Nov 6, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Big downgrade

by Tuesday we will already have the Manny question answered, so then the only question will be how much of a payroll will Frank roll with in 2010.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The only fun part wil be to bag on Ned when he picks up the flotsam and jetsam

But I guess that will be harder for you guys.

by Cool Dudes on Nov 6, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Until the McCourts announced they were going to fight tooth and nail over the team I was looking forward to seeing if the Dodgers go through free agency to get a big name pitcher (John Lackey?) or via trade (Roy Halladay) or if they would look into extending guys like Ethier and Kemp. Now our biggest “joy” will be seeing if Dewitt will be our 2B or if we will resign Belly or go elsewhere.

Thanks in advance, Frank.

by UCLAClass82 on Nov 6, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s funny, I’m pleased that I don’t have to worry that the Dodgers will make boneheaded signing of giving John Lackey $90MM or trading the farm for Halladay.

That’s why I’m not really bothered by Frank not spending money. When he’s spent (Pierre, Jones, Schmidt) it has been a failure.

Of course, when he’s traded to save money, it has also been a failure (Santana.)

by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No Strasburg on MLB-N

RT @BenBadler: Strasburg scratched from tomorrow’s AFL Rising Stars start with strained neck, acc to Washington Times http://bit.ly/1yEXc1

by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 12:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs

See what happens

when you throw 100 MPH for hour:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Craig Calcaterra’s take on Tim Lincecum being busted with some pot and a pipe:

Lincecum pitched a two-hit shutout last June 29th, but this was his first career one-hitter.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 6, 2009 1:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The DA already dropped the charges.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Damn these liberal justice system why didn’t they throw the book at him. Don’t people realize Lincecum is a dangerous menace to society( By society I mean Dodger’s hitters).

What Would Jack Bauer Do?

by Sordid on Nov 6, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs