Wolf, Hudson are Type A Free Agents
The Elias free agent rankings have been released and, as expected, the Dodgers have two Type A free agents -- Randy Wolf and Orlando Hudson. Ken Gurnick dropped the news today, which confirms the projections from Eddie Bajek, who has been tracking these rankings all year.
The Dodgers' Type B free agents are Ronnie Belliard, Jon Garland, Guillermo Mota, Will Ohman, and Vicente Padilla.
If offered arbitration, Type A free agents net two compensatory picks: a first rounder (most of the time) plus a supplemental pick in between the first and second rounds. Type B free agents only net a supplemental pick.
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wolf will be offered for SURE!
Hudson in the middle and towards the end looked like he would too for sure… UNTIL the benching and i really doubt that he will be offered now… and none of the type Bs are gonna get offered besides Maybe ronnie belliard
It seems obvious
but I can see them being risk averse and not wanting to be forced to pay Hudson somewhere between $7-10 million or so if he were to accept (which I don’t think he will)
Yeah - Dodgers are way too cheap to risk him accepting
not how a big market team should be doing business, but oh well. It’s not like we’d be screwed or anything if he accepted, but you are right, they won’t offer.
hudson.. he made overrall more then 8 mill this year correct..
so there is no way the arbitrator would lower his salary and i think he would make at least 10 mill.. am i right or is that wrong?
He made $7.99m in 2009, but of course it was an incentive laden deal. A case could be made that he is too much of an injury risk going forward (he averaged only 137 games played over the last seven years, and only cracked 150 games once). If Hudson asks for too much, it could be an easier case for the Dodgers to win.
oh alright..
so its just like with ethier last year… where ethier submits a figure and the dodgers submit one? and the arbritatror picks which one wins/?
Pretty much.
The way I think it works is, both sides make their case to the arbiter. After the arguments are heard, the two parties (the Dodgers and the player) submit what they would like from the contract. Without seeing those bids, the arbiter also writes down what he/she thinks the Player is worth. Whichever one is closer to the arbiter, wins.
The logic to this method is it forces both parties to put in a reasonable offer for fear of losing outright.
by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
The two sides exchange salary figures in advance of the hearing. They need to submit salaries between January 5-15, and the hearings aren’t until February.
Each arbitration hearing is a 3-man panel, and the arbiters are given a list of every MLB player’s salary and service time as of August 31 of the previous season.
What confuses me
is that if he’s so certain to leave, why not take the risk? I know this is Ned we’re talking about though.
cause ned would be like
we are gonna get a pick from whoever signs wolf and we dont need more then 3 picks early in the rounds cause it’ll cost too much…
i seriously think he thinks this… cause of the mccourts or whatever the situation is..
Yes...
…no doubt in my mind the Dodgers would see it as a financial burden having too many early draft picks.
yes but
the A’s had a ton of early pics through the late 90’s and into the early ’00’s and saved boatloads of money by drafting people they could get away with paying little for.
by Seanny Rotten on Nov 6, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
It will be interesting to see if the market is so weak that both Wolf and Hudson fall back into the Dodgers laps just like last year. Maybe all parties realize they are the best match for each other.
by delias man on Nov 5, 2009 10:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I can see Wolf coming back, but as for Hudson, did Tina Turner go back to Ike? :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 5, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but did Ike lie to Tina about being hurt?
Come to this century and use Bobby Whitney references!
by delias man on Nov 5, 2009 11:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’d offer both Wolf and Hudson arbitration. I wouldn’t worry to much about the extra draft picks, we don’t have protected status so if we sign A free agents we’d lose our own pick. I’d love to have them both back for one year at arbitration rates if we were lucky enough to have them accept but I’d be willing to gamble that neither would accept arbitration. Wolf because he should be able to get the deal he wanted last year and Hudson because we have probably burned our bridge with him by benching him for the playoffs and with the Sanchez deal on the books he should be able to get at least the same deal.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
You say yes
Frank says no
Ned says why
I say I don’t know …
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 5, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
I say exactly why not? Draft picks mid-priced 2nd baseman, fan favorite, what’s not to like. Price 8 million max.
Frank Says:
Having Boston/Indians/Arizona pay my players salary: Priceless.
I wonder if Ned ever feels like a vagabond at his power lunches with other GMs:
Are you going to eat that?
Is Hudson upset at being benched in the playoffs or
that he was benched in the last month? He hit .227/.354/.364/.718 in Sept/Oct while Belliard was white hot, what did he expect to happen?
If he’s only upset at the playoffs benching, he has a gripe there.
I want my $8,000,000.00 so I can get pissy too.
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 5, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt he’s pissy, he probably just really wanted to play in the playoffs, which is what you’d expect.
Simers quoted him not long after the All Star break.
Dude said he was definetly not returning.
Maybe a female employee tried to hit on him and he didn’t appreciate it?
More likely he knew there was no way he was getting a multi year deal in LA going in.
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 6, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Yes I remember that
He was quoted sometime in August saying he wasn’t coming back. It was a quick blurb in response to Manny shouting around the clubhouse that he was definitely going to be back next year.
It’s as if Hudson just wasn’t happy here and there’s more to that than his benching.
Good point above on why the Dodgers will decline offering Hudson
they don’t want the draft picks. We are dead last in bonus money paid the past 3 years or so.
Shaikin's article Wednesday
which ignored the context of where the Dodgers were picking of course
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-shaikin4-2009nov04,0,5095602.story
The Dodgers have paid $8.5 million in signing bonuses for draft picks over the last two years — the lowest figure among all major league teams, according to Baseball America.
The Dodgers, so proud of their heritage in Asia and Latin America, today are a non-factor in bidding for top amateur players abroad. In 2008, according to Baseball America, major league clubs combined to sign 115 such players for bonuses of more than $100,000. The Dodgers did not sign one.
“They’re definitely not the pioneering team they were,” Baseball America editor John Manuel said. “They’ve squandered that advantage.”
The international stuff is much more relevant, IMO
I think Shaikin was implying that the Dodgers won’t pay top money for their draft picks. The Red Sox and Yankees pick on the bottom of the rounds each year but they constantly pay over slot for their players.
Well, the Red Sox more than the Yankees, but it shows that they realize that its an investment.
If that was his angle
he should have brought up Alex White, Kyle Blair, et al. I don’t think Shaikin was delving that deep.
I do agree, though, that the Dodgers should be utilizing their big market advantage in the signing of amateur players.
For instance, I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to compare the Dodgers, who didn’t have a first round pick, to teams with high picks or multiple picks.
Also, it seems disingenuous to complain that they won’t spend money on the draft when they committed to between $3.38 million (the base of Hudson’s contract) to $8 million for O-Dog rather than keep a pick that would have netted somewhere between a $1.7 million bonus or so.
Until the rules change
big market teams HAVE to own the draft $$$ wise. Boston totally gets it, and NY does too. Mix in our complete apathy internationally right now, and it’s not a great picture. I’m still bitter about the Blair deal.
You said three years which is why I asked for the link
since it is easy to do that comparison for two years since it excludes the 2006 Kershaw bonus and ignores the fact we had no 1st round pick in 2009. I’m not defending the McCourts but the quote
We are dead last in bonus money paid the past 3 years or so.is what bothered me.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
JonathanMayoB3
It’s official: #Brewers send JJ Hardy to #Twins for OF Carlos Gomez. Guess the Alcides Escobar era will begin in Milwaukee.
good deal for both teams I guess
don’t know much about Gomez except that he’s cheper and younger than Cameron. Hardy might rebound and in any case he plays good defense or at least used to.
Gomez is very, very, very fast. Might be the fastest player in baseball. Very good defensively too.
Of course, he hasn’t hit, at least not yet (73 career OPS+), but who knows he might turn it around.
How divorce proceedings impact MLB ownership interests?
by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
So instead of being about the McCourts as mwhite06 suggested, it’s about Arte Moreno?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
If you trace his family tree far enough, back to the when his great-…-great-grandparents crossed the land bridge, now covered by the Bering Straits, from Russia to Alaska, sure he’s Asian!
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
D'Backs pick up Webb's option.
I find it funny that the D’backs were at least entertaining paying Garland more than Webb in 2010 for a while. )
Ah the Daily Debris
I used to throw that rag at houses from the handlebars of my Schwinn StingRay
by MammothDodger on Nov 6, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Fantasy World
Dodgers sign Bay and Holliday. Bay to left, Holliday to 1B.
Never happen.
Manny, Loney and prospects for top of the rotation pitching.
Luckily there are wonderful makeup artists in the LA area.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe we can trade for Hamels
since they Phillies fans are all butt-hurt about his lack of heart and grit.
Blake Dewitt for Hamels!
by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Last Year it was Manny 24/7 and this year its McCourts 24/7 which seems like a downgrade
What Would Jack Bauer Do?
Big downgrade
by Tuesday we will already have the Manny question answered, so then the only question will be how much of a payroll will Frank roll with in 2010.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The only fun part wil be to bag on Ned when he picks up the flotsam and jetsam
But I guess that will be harder for you guys.
Until the McCourts announced they were going to fight tooth and nail over the team I was looking forward to seeing if the Dodgers go through free agency to get a big name pitcher (John Lackey?) or via trade (Roy Halladay) or if they would look into extending guys like Ethier and Kemp. Now our biggest “joy” will be seeing if Dewitt will be our 2B or if we will resign Belly or go elsewhere.
Thanks in advance, Frank.
It’s funny, I’m pleased that I don’t have to worry that the Dodgers will make boneheaded signing of giving John Lackey $90MM or trading the farm for Halladay.
That’s why I’m not really bothered by Frank not spending money. When he’s spent (Pierre, Jones, Schmidt) it has been a failure.
Of course, when he’s traded to save money, it has also been a failure (Santana.)
by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
No Strasburg on MLB-N
RT @BenBadler: Strasburg scratched from tomorrow’s AFL Rising Stars start with strained neck, acc to Washington Times http://bit.ly/1yEXc1
by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 12:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
See what happens
when you throw 100 MPH for hour:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Craig Calcaterra’s take on Tim Lincecum being busted with some pot and a pipe:
Lincecum pitched a two-hit shutout last June 29th, but this was his first career one-hitter.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Well Since We Are Going to Be Talking Totally Hypothentically Anyway when It Comes to Signing Anyone Younger than 45
Why even bother Lackey?
Let’s get Linecum, Wainright, and Halladay.
We can sign Harden as insurance to save the Eric Stults the trip to and from triple A whenever someone trips over their shoelaces.
I’ll miss Pierre, Hu, and Blake for those trades, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
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