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TBLA Final Vote for the 15th best Prospect in the Dodger Organization

1 Chat and Vote Chris Withrow
2 Chat and Vote Dee Gordon
3 Chat and Vote Scott Elbert
4 Chat and Vote Ivan DeJesus
5 Chat and Vote Ethan Martin
6 Chat and Vote Andrew Lambo
7 Aaron Miller
8 Chat and Vote Josh Lindlbom
9 Chat and vote Trayvon Robinson
10 Chat and vote Nathan Eovaldi
11 Xavier Paul
12 Chat and vote Garrett Gould
13A Allen Webster
13B Kyle Russell
15



Dead heat after two votes so they both get to call themselves the TBLA 13th best prospect. Final vote is now up for the 15th TBLA best Dodger prospect.  I don't know how the rest of you vote but I do it on what the ceiling is and if I expect them to reach the ceiling. So for me Lucas May will be no more then a backup catcher, while Jonathan Garcia could be Adam Jones (a comparable for his age in the Arizona League) offensively or just another fast starting kid who is swallowed up by advanced pitching.

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TBLA 15th Top Dodger Prospect
Lucas May
36 votes
Jonathan Garcia
49 votes
Scott Van Slyke
30 votes
Gerald Sands
10 votes
Jon Michael Redding
7 votes
Tony Delmonico
36 votes

168 votes | Poll has closed

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#Angels prospect Tommy Mendoza replaces Strasburg as starter in #arizonafallleague Rising Stars Showcase. I’m sure ratings will be the same

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

Hrm

With this group I feel like the Dodger prospects list may officially have jumped the shark. ;-)

Before it was tough but now it feels like slim pickings…
Btw, why no Songco here?

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 6, 2009 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

Because I think

Garcia is clearly better then Songco from the same draft.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

That is why we are stopping at 15

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

That seems a good call

:-)

(Btw, I voted for Garcia. I just like Songco at least down the road. Maybe if this would keep going he’d be in the top 20 at least…)

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Not concerned with Songo’s struggles when he was promoted last year?

I’m not really either, but I’m wondering your take on it.

by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not. Yet.

Well, a little. But I am still high on his upside. Want to see what kind of progress he makes next year.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 6, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I'm still enamored

with his bat speed and think he’ll make a leap next year. But we shall see.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 6, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Tony Delmonico, because he might actually be a starting catcher.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions  

In Jim Callis' MWL chat a month ago

on Baseball America, he answered a Delmonico question. Which was interesting if not that surprising.

Jon (Peoria): Were there any catching prospects that stood out? What was the assessment of Tony Delmonico as a catcher?


Jim Callis: No catcher was close to making the Top 20 list. Delmonico was probably the best catching prospect in the league, but he still has a long way to go defensively after making the transition from second base.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 6, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s why I said might. Even if catching doesn’t work for Delmonico, he might be able to reconverted back into a middle infielder, while Lucas May has no position if he can’t catch.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

And I’d definitely rank him over May at this point too.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 6, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

At this point I might even consider voting for Travis Schlichting

His ceiling is probably middle reliever, and although he just finished his age-24 season, it was only his fourth season pitching, and he did get a cup of coffee mid-season with the big club, which I think is a little clue as to his standing with the organization.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 6, 2009 1:01 PM PST reply actions  

He also only had two mop up relief showings. Not the greatest confidence booster.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

If he never makes it back to the big club

he can always say:

Yeah, I was in the show. I was in the show for 21 days once – the 21 greatest days of my life. You know, you never handle your luggage in the show, somebody else carries your bags. It was great. You hit white balls for batting practice, the ballparks are like cathedrals, the hotels all have room service, and the women all have long legs and brains.
Well, it was only 20 days for Travis. Close enough.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 6, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

When we finish this last vote

I’ll make one final post about the prospects and then ask for those who are interested to post their own top 30 lists.
Top 15 Hitters
Top 15 Pitchers
I’ve always liked segregating the two and not combining them.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

Do we even have 15 hitters? :) 5 maybe, but not 15.

by Tripon on Nov 6, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Not in any order but yes we do

DeJesus, Lambo, Hoffman, Paul, Robinson, May, Giles, Van Slyke, Caseres, Sellers, Perez, Sands, Gordon, Delmonico, Russell, Silverio, Gallagher, Baez, Jacobs, Ortiz, Galvez, Akins, Garcia, Wise, Erickson, Buss, Grider, Blake Smith, Ruggiano, Pedroza, Songco, Yount, Hernandez,

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Somewhere among that group

are 15 hitters who can be ranked.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

If only Casio Grider had an “n” in his name (no, not for Casino), John Hart would really love the guy!

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted May

since I’m pleased with the way he’s been hitting the ball as of late and holding out hope that he can become a somewhat competent defensive catcher.

by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

delmonico

I voted for him because he has potential to start as C in about 2 yrs..May is more of a BU to me, a little like Ellis.I would have placed May about #20-25 well after Delmonico.

by coloblue on Nov 6, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

Galvez

I am surprised here that Galvez’s name has not come up as candidate yet.. This guy is a hitter…and should be ranked above Garcia. The guy rakes and maybe doesn’t draw many walks but hits for average,has power and has a rocket of an arm in RF.

by coloblue on Nov 6, 2009 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

If you are high on Galvez

wouldn’t Sands be just as high? He raked even more then Galvez did at Odgen, and then also hit when he returned to the MWL, a very tough league compared to the Pioneer League. I don’t rank Pioneer League performance by anyone over 20 until I see what they do elsewhere. At least not 1st year professional players, I’ve been burned by them to many times.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I like sands

 Both Sands and Galvez are in top 20 imho. Galvez is a contact hitter and K’s very little.
Sands has a little more power and responded well in A ball and has a good eye and can play CF.. I rate them about the same..maybe Glavez one up on Sands..

by coloblue on Nov 7, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Question for those voting in the later rounds

What are your information sources, scouting reports? Have you seen the players this far down the list (with the obvious exceptions) play in person?

by LA Taco on Nov 6, 2009 4:52 PM PST reply actions  

Scouting Reports for me. And minor league stats.

I’ve never seen anybody play unless they showed up with the ML team.

by Michael White on Nov 6, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Same for me, for the most part

I did see Withrow, Trayvon, and Van Slyke play a game or four (not Withrow, just once for him) with the 66ers though.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm surprised

Cavasos-Galvez never got a mention. Is he not that good?

by Capt Obvious on Nov 6, 2009 5:01 PM PST reply actions  

How can we tell based on 1/2 a year in the Pioneer League? He didn’t even make the BA top 20 prospect league leaders even though he dominated the league offensively. At least Garcia as a 17 year old was the ninth best prospect in his league, even if it was rookie ball.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

galvez is a top prospect

BA neglected Galvez which is ridiculous.
Galvez is Topps player of yr in Pioneer ball and league mvp.
Garcia has a lot of talent and looks to be a steal like Galvez ..

by coloblue on Nov 7, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

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