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As we wait for who the Dodgers are going to offer arbitration to, lets take a look at the prospects one last time before BA comes out with their top ten list this Friday.

Last year this was how the Dodger prospect list looked. Several weeks ago TBLA voters decided who they wanted as their as their top 15 prospects.

So here is my top 30 list. I've never liked ranking players 1 - 30 combining hitters and pitchers so I'm going to do it a little differently. This is how I've always done it but this will be the first time I'll publish it this way.  This is not what I expect BA to rank our players, this is what I think about them.

We seem quite deep in pitching, but I don't see one impact bat in our midst unless Dee Gordon turns his raw talent into Jose Reyes.

So what do I see

A starting SS in Dee Gordon, ceiling of Reyes, low side Christian Guzman. Could be an exciting catalyst with his explosive speed or simply a Jose Offerman whose defense ruined any offensive contribution he made.

A starting 2nd in DeJesus with a ceiling of Luis Castillo without the stolen bases. Castillo had no power but was able to maintain a high OB rate, however part of that was due to his excellent speed which DeJesus does not possess. The key to Ivan is maintaining his excellent plate discipline once he cracks the major leagues. If he is unable to do that then he'll never amount to much and may not even have a career as good as his father.

Robinson probably a fourth outfielder but he might just keep improving enough to be a viable major league center fielder. He made huge strides in 2009, if he continues to improve instead of plateau we might have something interesting.

Lambo might end up being nothing at all, or at best a Jeremy Hermida in LF. Thoughts of him being a 30-35 home run guy seem misplaced.  His pedestrain summer gave way to an impressive beginning to the AFL season but by the time the AFL season had ended he was sucking wind and wasn't impressing anyone who saw him. Still, only 20 in  AA he deserves the chance to prove that 2009 was just a speed bump and not a wall. As many have said he probably would have torn up the California League if he had not been skipped and we'd still be excited. My main problem is not that Lambo won't hit but that he won't hit enough to be worthwhile as a left fielder. At least not as a premium left fielder and I'm not very interested in a ho hum hitting left fielder. I'd really like Lambo to succeed, he went to High School not to far away from me, his name is Lambo and I was born a Packer fan, plus he was a trouble maker in high school and I've always rooted for the rebellious ones provided they aren't jerks.

Jonathan Garcia did his work this year as a real 17 year old and was impressive, so maybe by this time next year he will be the talk of the organization. I've never seen him, I've only seen the stats, he rated this high because of what he did at age 17. To bad we can't find any good comps for him from the Arizona League other then Adam Jones and Jonathan is not expected to stay in center field.

May had fallen off the prospect map but his big summer, excellent World Cup tournament, and solid AFL puts him back with room to spare. If he truly is improving defensively he might just have a major league career after all.

After watching so many Dodger prospect fail to impress as a Loon, it was a revelation to see what Kyle Russell did in that league when he made contact. He has an impact bat, but the question looms will his bat make enough contact for it to matter? Canuck says no way, I say don't be so quick to bury him.

Delmonico has a strong bat but has to go such a long way as a catcher that I can't really tell if he is going to be able to make the transition.

I'm probably ranking Gerald Sands to high compared to Scott Van Slyke but of the two I'm betting on Gerald Sands.

Scott Van Slyke was so bad for most of his minor league career I simply need to see more before I can get serious about him as a viable corner outfielder prospect. 

Galvez was our best hitter from the 2009 draft. We know he can destory rookie league pitching, now we need to find out if he can handle the next level. BA says no, but this guy has such a great back story, I'll be rooting for him to prove them wrong.

Baez and Gallagher took huge steps back this past season. Baez may have one more year before they turn him into the next Kenley Jansen. Gallagher had shoulder problems so he gets a mulligan but he still drops quite a ways as he gets passed by productive prospects.

As pedestrian as our hitters appear to be our pitching is loaded with high upside big arm kids.

Elbert may be dismissed by BA, but his big arm might be just what the Dodgers need in 2010 to replace Randy Wolf. He has the stuff to succeed in the bullpen if he does not pan out in the rotation. This wild ass lefty has walked 4.8 batters per nine innings during his minor league stint. Yet, in AAA last year he improved that to 3.7 in a tough hitters park. I make fun of Elbert but I'm a fan when I'm being rational and not emotional and I hope he gets a shot in the rotation.

Chris Withrow is going to be a stud if he doesn't blow out his arm. Same could be said for several of these pitchers, but of those pitchers, WIthrow probably has the highest upside. He's going to be the talk of the prospect circles next summer.

Aaron Miller not only pitched like a first round draft but like an early first round draft pick. After impressing everyone while pitching for the Loons, he also got in some time in the AFL, and before he was shut down, scouts were amazed he was passed up by so many teams.

Ethan Martin is another big armed right hander who has a huge ceiling. Some would say he has a bigger upside then Withrow. I'm just glad we have both of them.

Lindblom quietly put together a solid year considering it was his first complete professional season. He didn't wow people but he was effective in the tough AAA PCL environment. DeJon said he's still being considered as a starter even though he pitched mostley in relief at AAA. Not as high a ceiling as many on this list but if I was going to be a conservative better I'd bet that he has the best chance of having the longest major league career.

Hard to believe but Allen Webster might have as good as stuff as the number one picks WIthrow and Martin even though he was snagged in the 18th round in 2008. He wore out at the end of the year, can't wait to see what he does in 2010.

Nathan Eovaldi another big armed right hand pitcher. At times he looked better then Martin this year and could easily end up being the best of this lot.

In 2010 we will see what all the hoopla is regarding  Gould, for now he's ranked here simply on his reputation.

So we have gone eight deep and each of these pitchers has a fairly high ceiling. Lindblom probably has the lowest ceiling but might have the best chance of reaching that ceiling.

Kenley Jansen has only thrown a few professional innings and I'm probably ranking him to high but when he does throw, he throws gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssss.  Pure petrol.  Wait until spring training, fans are going to go gaa gaa over this guy. He strikes out two for every one he walks but he walks about one hitter per inning. That will need to change but if it does then watch out.

The rest of the group could be decent pitchers, none of them have the upside of the top eight. Danielson has been percolating in the rookie leagues and really put some quality innings together in 2009. Next year we will see if he is going to keep improving. Frias was a big fan of DeJon Watson, made some big strides, could be comer. Aquasviva might be a solid man out of the bullpen along with Schlichting. Miller is here because I'm not giving up on his heavy sinker and Wallach is here because of where he was drafted and how he peformed in a small sample size this summer.

As unexcited as I am about our hitters that is made up with the anticipation of what these big arms could accomplish over the next few years.

Los Angeles Dodgers Top Prospect Ranking
Order Hitter Pitcher
1st Dee Gordon Scott Elbert
2nd Ivan DeJesus Chris Withrow
3rd
Trayvon Robinson Aaron Miller
4th Andrew Lambo Ethan Martin
5th Xavier Paul Joshua Lindblom
6th Jonathan Garcia Allen Webster
7th Luke May Nathan Eovaldi
8th Kyle Russell Garrett Gould
9th Anthony Delmonico Kenley Jansen
10th Gerald Sands Danny Danielson
11th Steven Caseres Carlos Frias
12th Scott VanSlyke Geison Aguasviva
13th Brian Cavazos-Galvez Jon Michael Redding
14th Pedro Baez Brett Wallach
15th Austin Gallagher Justin Miller
HON Gorman Erickson Travis Schlichting

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Wild prediction.

Austin Gallagher becomes a top 5 hitter after next season.

Also, the pitchers list is so much better. Depth wise, talent wise, however you measure it. Kanley Jansen felt so bad that he was a Dodger hitter that he switched to a pitcher so he can finally stop feel like he was worthless.

by Tripon on Dec 1, 2009 12:20 AM PST reply actions  

My Top 30 Prospect List

01. Scott Elbert, LHP
02. Chris Withrow, RHP
03. Andrew Lambo, OF
04. Ethan Martin, RHP
05. Allen Webster, RHP
06. Trayvon Robinson, OF
07. Dee Gordon, SS
08. Aaron Miller, LHP
09. Josh Lindblom, RHP
10. Nathan Eovaldi, RHP
11. Ivan DeJesus, Jr., SS
12. Garrett Gould, RHP
13. Scott Van Slyke, OF
14. Jonathan Garcia, OF
15. Jerry Sands, OF
16. Brett Wallach, RHP
17. Carlos Frias, RHP
18. Javy Guerra, RHP
19. Xavier Paul, OF
20. Geison Aguasviva, LHP
21. Kenley Jansen, RHP
22. Matt Magill, RHP
23. Danny Danielson, RHP
24. Elisaul Pimentel, RHP
25. Pedro Baez, 3B
26. Lucas May, C
27. Travis Schlichting, RHP
28. Steven Ames, RHP
29. Tim Sexton, RHP
30. Kyle Russell, OF

by CanuckDodger on Dec 1, 2009 1:11 AM PST reply actions  

Why so low on Kyle Russell? He has just as much talent as the 13-15th best prospect on your list.

by Tripon on Dec 1, 2009 1:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice list

I am quite curious about how Ames does as he faces more experienced hitters.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 1, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Elbert

damn it torre
just give him the job

by hirambocachica on Dec 1, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Kyle Russell

Tripon,

I have been thinking about how to reply to your comment about Russell’s “talent.” Imagine if there was a young boxer who had just as much talent as Mike Tyson. He has all the technique. He punches as hard as Tyson, moves just as quick. Just one problem. In any given match, all it takes is one punch, not even a hard punch, to the face and that is it — he’s KO’d. Does he really have as much talent as Tyson, then? Should we say instead, “Okay, he’s no Mike Tyson, but he’s just about as good?” No. The guy has a fatal flaw that makes him completely useless as a boxer. He can’t box — period. What he can do well is irrelevant because he is so bad at one thing that a boxer can’t be THAT bad at and still be a boxer.

If Kyle Russell could make a whole career out of being a low A baseball player he would be set. at it. He will help a team at that level win a lot of games. But we count minor league players as prospects only if they have major league potential. Russell played in low A at age 23. Two years too old to be in low A at all, but if he had been born only a little bit later 2009 would have counted as only his age 22 season, so that alone we won’t make too big a deal out of. But now add that he managed to lead the Midwest League in strikeouts (180 in only 481 AB’s) at the same time that he was usually facing pitchers younger than him. It is the combination of age, level of competition, and strikeout rate that forces one to say that if he were a boxer he would be a guy with a “glass jaw.” It is a fatal flaw. How much power he has doesn’t matter if he can’t get the bat on the ball. He is old enough that he should have been facing much better pitchers than he did in 2009, but he couldn’t. Van Slyke was in his age 22 season and played a level above Russell, and while he struck out too much, he still struck out a lot less often than Russell (128 in 496 AB’s in high A). Sands struck out too much in low A (32 in 104 AB’s) but he was in his age 21 season. Make no mistake: Van Slyke and Sands strike out too much and unless they do something about it their major league hopes are in danger, but Russell’s problem is so much WORSE that I have NO faith that Russell can ever get his act together. I really hate even ranking Russell as HIGH as #30. I don’t like putting anybody on my annual Top 30 list unless I have some hope they can be major leaguers. But nowadays it is impossible to come up with thirty names of Dodger prospects who really deserve to be on a Top 30 list, so I included Russell just so anybody reading my list would say, “Hey, you forgot Russell.” No, I certainly didn’t forget him. He just doesn’t have what it takes to project as a major leaguer.

by CanuckDodger on Dec 1, 2009 2:43 AM PST reply actions  

Well

Kyle Russell may have also simply gone off in the Cal League this year. He’s only had one year of professional tutoring so the hope is the that they will be able to do enough with his approach that he can cut the K rate about 5% and still maintain the aggressiveness. As I said before I think you are writing his skill set off much to quickly, he is so good at every other aspect of playing baseball that I have some hope his athleticism and work ethic will allow him to make just enough modification in his swing that he becomes a valuable component. The odds are long but I don’t think they are nearly as long as Scott Van Slyke’s being a useful corner outfielder.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 1, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Totally off topic

I think Jason Grilli signed with the Indians, on a minor league deal. He has been posting on Twitter for a week or two saying he signed with someone but declined to say which team. The other day he posted a picture of the contract here:

Note the team representative signing the contract is “Director, Baseball Administration.”

I looked at the front offices of every MLB team, and there are only three teams that list that exact phrase as a front office position:

Phillies – Susan Ingersoll Papaneri
Cubs – Scott Nelson
Indians – Wendy Hoppel

The A’s, Braves, and Royals all have positions with titles that slightly vary “Director of Baseball Administration” or “Director – Baseball Administration.”

But check the signature line for the team. We can only see what loops down below the signature line, and it looks like the y in Wendy and the two p’s in Hoppel could fit.

Today, Grilli tweeted:

Contract sent out.Irony is the team I signed with could still lose me.Rule 5 draft is coming up. I like where I am at but out of my control

Indians’ 40-man roster is currently at 40, which suggests the contract for Grilli was a minor league one, which would fit his morning tweet.

I feel like Columbo.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 1, 2009 8:35 AM PST reply actions  

Excellent detective work

I love the fact that you looked up the front offices for every MLB team to uncover Jason Grilli’s new team.

Were you concerned it was the Dodgers?

by Michael White on Dec 1, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I wasn’t too concerned that it was the Dodgers, but once he posted a pic of the contract I decided to look it up just for fun.

Apparently a commenter on MLBTR said the other day that it was the Indians too, because he had talked to a family friend of Grilli, but I didn’t know that before this morning (after I looked all this up).

I tweeted to Grilli that I thought it was the Indians with a “check the sig” and a link back to his contract photo, but he hasn’t responded yet.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 1, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It was more of a challenge or a puzzle to me. I thought there was a chance he might sign with the NL West, so I decided to dig deeper.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 1, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I enjoyed the sleuthing, but it was just an odd choice.

But I guess that is what detective work is all about. Grilli may just be your average MLB pitcher, but in real life, he migh tbe the most interesting man in the world. Kind of like Mo Berg or something.

by Ian Capilouto on Dec 1, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s more that he is a very active tweeter, so his story was more in my face if you will.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 1, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

High ranking woman

our Lady now has competition for breaking that glass ceiling.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 1, 2009 8:38 AM PST reply actions  

Off topic

but every Los Angeles basketball fan should watch this video
http://www.clipsnation.com/2009/11/29/1178603/missed-the-22-point-comeback-my-tv

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 1, 2009 9:00 AM PST reply actions  

It was even better in person ;)

Thanks for hooking me up. I looked up for you to see if you had left or not. Too bad you missed it.

My wife was asking if I wanted to leave early or stay for the whole game. I said I wanted to stay for the whole game, but she decided to go to the bathroom just in case I wanted to leave early. She left it was an 18 point game and by the time she got back the lead was down to ten and Staples Center was buzzing. I couldn’t believe the run they went on from then on…

by Michael White on Dec 1, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Great article, Phil. You guys are really doing a great job providing us fans with quality content during the offseason!

Stanley Cups won: Raymond Bourque 1 - Marty McSorley 2. Suck it, Chowderhead!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 1, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

nice article phil

we do appear to have an abundance of high ceiling arms in the system.

Also nice to see a little positivity as i have a felling the next several days alot of us are going to have some bad feelings over todays arb offer decisions.

by MammothDodger on Dec 1, 2009 9:17 AM PST reply actions  

just cause i am feeling the positve side

I predict Arb offers to
Wolf
Hudson
padilla

and I also predict that all 3 will decline.

by MammothDodger on Dec 1, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

Padilla?

That’s a bold prediction considering his very high salary.

Wolf and Belliard for me. That’s it.

by silverwidow on Dec 1, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

he is a FA though right?

so the 80% rule does not apply. We could go the arb hearing at around 5-6 mil, he asks for 12 panel decides our number is closer to market value.

by MammothDodger on Dec 1, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Tim Brown of Yahoo

reporting likely no arb for Hudson:

Dodgers likely will not offer Orlando Hudson salary arbitration.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 1, 2009 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

is that reporting or

fortune telling?

no sources not even “people who work close to people who are next door the guys who are 3rd cousins of the guys who will make the decision”

by MammothDodger on Dec 1, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Tim Brown has inside sources and he’s been doing this for years.

by silverwidow on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

i know

maybe it is just i am not yet used to the tweeting of news since they by their nature are very short, I just like at least a little attribution

by MammothDodger on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Hard to put a full story in 140 characters :)

by Eric Stephen on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

he used about 70 in his sentence he had at lest a little room for some vague source reference.

And I know it is me showing my age, but in the constant news cycle we live in, journalist have got so far away from what used to be some very basic tenets of their profession, that i am skeptical of all of it.

by MammothDodger on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I have been tweeting about O-Dog this morning

quite a bit.

http://twitter.com/truebluela

Here’s my latest 3-part tweet to explain the O-Dog situation:

You are going out with Portia de Rossi, but she decides to play for the other team. As she is packing, if you offer to help she will give you the number to 2 of her friends. Those friends may work out or may not, but instead of helping Portia move, you decline to pay for the U-Haul, and are left alone.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 1, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

Hey

Andrew is tweeting with you:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 1, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Dodgers don't offer arb to ANYBODY

Obviously they have no money.

2010 is gonna be wasted.

by MattBakerJr on Dec 1, 2009 2:11 PM PST reply actions  

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