Dodgers Lose Hoffmann In Rule 5 Draft
For a team operating against the limits of its budget, the Dodgers seem to be losing on the margins. The latest example came this morning, when Jamie Hoffmann became a Yankee with the first pick of the Rule 5 draft. Technically, the Nationals picked Hoffmann, but he was traded to the Yankees to complete the Brian Bruney trade.
There's a chance this will work out in the end for the Dodgers anyway, but losing Hoffmann was an unnecessary risk. The Dodgers had 33 players on their 40-man roster, and unless you think the Dodgers will sign seven free agents, there is no reason Jamie Hoffmann couldn't have been added to the 40-man roster. Especially when one of those roster spots is occupied by Jason Repko, an older player who isn't as good as Hoffmann, and is arbitration eligible, out of options, and likely to be non-tendered on Saturday anyway!
Per Rule 5 draft procedure, the Dodgers receive $50,000 from the Yankees (or Nationals; I'm not sure how they worked that out in the trade), and Hoffmann must stay on the Yankees' 25-man roster all season long, or they must offer him back to the Dodgers for half the Rule 5 fee ($25,000). So there is a chance Hoffmann could still end up a Dodger by season's end, but losing him in the first place was unnecessary.
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UPDATE: per Dylan Hernandez, the Dodgers plan to tender contracts to all of their arbitration-eligible players by the Saturday deadline, meaning the Dodgers actually prefer Repko to Hoffmann.
UPDATE 2: per Silverwidow's detective work, it appears Repko amazingly still has an option remaining:
- 2005: optioned for only nine days, less than the requisite 20 days to count as an optional assignment
- 2006: only in minors on rehab assignment
- 2007: on major league disabled list all year
- 2008: first option year used
- 2009: second option year used
UPDATE 3: Josh Rawitch on Inside the Dodgers had this to report:
Ned told the media today that he'd be comfortable with a healthy Jason Repko as the fourth or fifth outfielder and I know there are a lot of Repko fans in LA, myself included. He's a great kid with a lot of talent and hopefully he'll be healthy in 2010.
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In other Rule 5 news, the Giants selected reliever Steve Johnson, who was acquired from the Dodgers by the Orioles in July in the George Sherrill trade.
Also, per Dylan Hernandez, the Dodgers sent cash to the Mets for their Rule 5 pick, Carlos Monasterios. Monasterios, acquired by the Phillies in the Bobby Abreu trade, will be 24 in March and had a 3.73 ERA mostly in high A ball in 2009. The Dodgers must keep him on the 25-man roster all season long, or offer him back to Philadelphia for $25,000.
Hernandez chimes in with more news, that the Dodgers also sent cash to the Rays for their Rule 5 pick, Armando Zerpa. Zerpa, who turns 23 in February, spent five years in the Red Sox system and never advanced past high A. In his minor league career, the left-handed Zerpa averages five walks and nine strikeouts per nine innings. Like Monasterios, the Dodgers have to keep Zerpa on the active roster all season, or offer him back to the Sox.
What are the odds both Monasterios and Zerpa stick with the team? I would guess pretty low, especially with the bullpen depth the Dodgers currently have. Might a trade or two be in the works?
The Dodgers now have 35 players on their 40-man roster.
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Dodger Front Office Reaction To Losing Hoffmann In Rule Five Draft:
$50,000! Damn sweet! Thank you, Jesus!
by CanuckDodger on Dec 10, 2009 7:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Heh. Mike Scioscia’s Tragic Illness also tweeted that they’d be too cheap to pay the $25,000 to get him back if offered :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monasterios update above
Dodgers trying for Belisario II?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 7:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We made a major league Rule 5 pick!!! First since DJ Houlton!!!
by silverwidow on Dec 10, 2009 7:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if it technically counts since the Mets made the pick. We just made a trade :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 7:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Minor league Rule 5
Dodgers “lost” James Tomlin, a 27-year old OF in AA (2009 was age 26 year) to Rangers
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 7:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers took 22-year old rookie ball pitcher Raul Burgos from the Giants
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 7:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Repko
I did some digging and it turns out that he has ONE option remaining.
2005: The Dodgers optioned him on 05/25 but re-called him on 06/03, therefore he didn’t spend the requisite 20 days in the minors.
2006: No option; hurt most of the year
2007: No option; hurt in the Furcal Incident
2008: Optioned
2009: Optioned
Wow.
by silverwidow on Dec 10, 2009 7:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That makes me sick. I knew that little fucker was not going anywhere.
by delias man on Dec 10, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The continued organizational support for Jason Repko boggles the mind
I’m curious if Repko is ahead of Paul on the depth chart….
by Michael White on Dec 10, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Updated Repko news above
with a quote from Ned.
Apparently, “kid” = soon to be 29-year old
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ned was on a roll lately
he had some good quotes about Billingsley and things seemed good. And then he throws up this gem and I remember that he’s Ned Colletti.
by Michael White on Dec 10, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I should clarify
the “kid” comment was by Rawitch
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The hell isn’t Paul Xavier ahead of Repko on this damned pecking order.
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You would assume
But you never know what they are doing these days.
by delias man on Dec 10, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could you imagine how different the world would be if DePo had allowed Repko to be Rule 5’ed instead of Shane Victorino? No need for Manny, Druw, or JP, and the money saved could be spent on extending a few of the young players. I will never forgive DePo for that one.
by Nofatmike on Dec 10, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
but it’s hard to get too upset I guess.
by LA Taco on Dec 10, 2009 7:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Olney Today Says the Dodgers are the Biggest Story of the Winter Meetings...
…just by doing nothing.
by CanuckDodger on Dec 10, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s right in a lot of ways. One of the game’s proudest franchises in the 2nd largest media market that draw 4mm fans last year and is perhaps a couple of pieces away from winning the World Series… does nothing.
by LA Taco on Dec 10, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What Did the Dodgers Do At Last Year's Winter Meetings?
Nothing then either. And we went on to win 95 games and get to the NLCS. The year before that, however, we signed Andruw Jones at the Winter Meetings. And the year before that we signed Jason Schmidt at the Winter Meetings. Maybe there is a lesson here?
by CanuckDodger on Dec 10, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year the winter meetings were dominated (as was the entire offseason)
by the Manny Ramirez negotiations.
by Michael White on Dec 10, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And did we sign Ramirez at the last Winter Meetings?
We have been “negotiating” at these meetings too.
by CanuckDodger on Dec 10, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya. I don’t disagree with your position. I find a lot of the moves other teams are making are failry dumb. A lot of it seems like teams are spending just to spend…
by Michael White on Dec 10, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Say Manny Rameriz 85 times spin around say it 8 more and then do a headstand and say it three more. That was what the offseason was about last year. Even then Wolf, Hudson, a bunch of guys who sucked but added to the depth of the team and helped them through the year were added.
This year its about: maybe Eric Stults is worth another look, and what do you think we can get for Juan.
by Cool Dudes on Dec 10, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The winter meetings themselves aren't the end of the offseason
There is still plenty of time before spring training starts.
That said, there are clear signs of a financial squeeze, and that is the troublesome part. Not necessarily that they can’t get a big name FA, but more that they now think short-term and make moves to cut corners that end up cutting off the nose to spite the face.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RT @dylanohernandez: Dodgers sent cash to Tampa Bay for its pick in the Rule 5 draft, LHP Armando Zerpa.
What are the odds both pitchers stick on the 25-man all season?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 7:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Pretty low I'd think
Maybe a trade of one of our bullpen pieces is coming?
by Sam PHL on Dec 10, 2009 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you not protect him?
So you can sign fucking Noah Lowry to a NRI and hope he makes it? Durrrrr
by kensai on Dec 10, 2009 8:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Hoffmann have a clause in his contract that says he can't be added to the 40 man roster until May?
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 8:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was the other way around
that the Dodgers guaranteed that they would place him on the 40 man by May.
by Michael White on Dec 10, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffman
Every year since I left LA (that was 9 years ago) I make it back each summer to see a Dodgers game. Last summer I was back during interleague and ended up going to see an Angels/Dodgers game. At the time, Manny was suspended and for some reason Ethier had the day off.
I was excited to see Xavier Paul play, but what do you know – Hoffman got the bid to start at RF. I complained – my wife gave me shit, and then boom he hits his first career HR. I felt like an ass – now I have somewhat of an attachment to him. Oh well. Between Swisher, Granderson, Gardner, Cabrera, and most likely Damon, he won’t see much at the major league level as a Yankee.
by bearface on Dec 10, 2009 8:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Since they used the pick on him, I think he’ll be at least “seen” at the major league level.
by Michael White on Dec 10, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffman has major league experience and tools, and at 25, he’s still got room to improve. He hit .291/.390/.466 between Double-A Chattanooga and Triple-A Albuquerque, and went 4-for-22 with a homer in 14 big league games. He’s a career .285/.357/.407 hitter in 2,428 at-bats since singing as a nondrafted free agent in August, 2003.
“He’s a big, physical outfielder with big league experience,” said Yankees pro scouting director Billy Eppler. “Our scouts saw some good things in him, including good defensive ability and a good arm. He runs well for his size, we’ve got him as a 55 runner at 6-foot-3, 235. Kevin Long, our hitting coordinator, looked at him on video and thinks there’s a foundation there hitting-wise.”
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/news/2009/269257.html
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 8:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
This one could really easily go and bite the Dodgers on the ass.
I think the good thing is the Yanks are going to give him a short window of opportunity to proove himself, but if he does, obviously it was a bad decision. These are the exact type of gambles I see a team struggling with money making.
by Cool Dudes on Dec 10, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
INDIANAPOLIS – The Yankees took outfielder Jamie Hoffmann with the first overall pick in the Rule 5 Draft, but that did not exactly shake up his old team, the Dodgers.
One Dodger executive said, "I’m glad it is them because we thought we would lose him to a bad team." Translation: The Dodgers do not think a team as good as the Yankees will be able to keep Hoffmann on their 25-man roster all year, and he will have to be offered back to Los Angeles at some point. So, yes, the Dodgers do want to put Hoffmann back in their system.
A second Dodger executive said, "Unless they can fix his swing, he will not be able to stick (with the Yankees)."
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 8:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hoffmann has more value in the AL as a defensive replacement
It’s not like the NL where your bench players are all figuring to get PT as pinch hitters. With the DH, pinch hitting isn’t that important, so you can stash defensive replacements on your 25 man….
by Michael White on Dec 10, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why take the risk in the first place?
That’s my question.
by kensai on Dec 10, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because apprently causing injuries to key players such as Furcal and Ethier makes Jason Repko Ned Colletti’s ultimate kinda guy.
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only Ethier’s pride as he had to watch Jason Repko takes his starts in front of him.
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Going all the way back to April 2006???
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was joking the with the last parts. Honestly I couldn’t even remember if Repko did injure Ethier, and made some stuff up. =P
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Repko made 3 starts in LF early in 2006 (Apr 19, 30, May 1). The rest were in CF, a position Ethier can’t play.
Then Ethier was called up on May 2
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its all about the $25 K
See, they arn’t that cheap, they just want the free 25K, no the 50K they have to pay for by loosing the player they developed. Hope springs eternal!
by Cool Dudes on Dec 10, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They don’t pay $50k for losing Hoffmann; they receive $50k for losing Hoffmann.
They would have to pay $25k to get him back if the Yankees wanted him off their 25-man roster.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From Jerry Crasnick
of ESPN:
The Royals, in the market for a CF, talked to the Dodgers about Juan Pierre. But LA would have to eat too much $$ for it to work
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 8:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hate to break the news but JP isn’t an everyday CF anymore.
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s like claiming if Yunieski Bentencourt is a starting SS, or Mike Jacobs is a starting DH/1B just because the Royals are that crazy enough to do it.
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m saying, all it takes is one team to think that for a deal to work.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shhhhhhh!
Don’t tell anyone. As far as anyone else is concerned, Juan Pierre is at the peak of his career and has made serious improvements to his defensive game. He has emerged as a hard working team leader that is worth every dime remaining on his contract.
by prosellis on Dec 10, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what?
The only thing that has changed are the perceptions of him. Most players have flaws in the field (look at Ethier and Manny), doesn’t mean they can’t play that position that day.
by Cool Dudes on Dec 10, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
jcrasnick
No short-term make-good contract for Rick Ankiel. One club exec says Scott Boras wants 3 years and "big money’’ for Ankiel.
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 8:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Soriano to Rays deal is just about done
The Rays had to reach a contract agreement with Soriano before the completion of the deal. Per Rosenthal:
TB will sign Soriano for one year at 7M or slightly above. Deal will be official after usual exchange of medical records, etc.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sure, they have a lot of arbitration-eligible players, and they have to prepare for the inevitable pay increases that Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier and others will receive. But they clearly need starting pitching, because since the playoffs, they have lost Vicente Padilla and Jon Garland and, most notably, Randy Wolf, who wasn’t even offered arbitration. The Dodgers were given a chance to sign Randy Wolf — I heard he would have returned to L.A. for a two-year deal, for something in the range of $14 million to $16 million — but Ned Colletti says this was too expensive for the team, Dylan Hernandez writes within this piece.
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 9:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey Eric, so does the Dodgers buying everybody's rule 5 picks mean
they have to stay on the 25-man or we have to give them back?
by kensai on Dec 10, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It’s as if the Dodgers picked them. They have to stay on the 25-man, or be offered back to Philly and/or Boston for $25k.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
60 Day DL action, ‘Rehab’ assignments, worry about it next year!
by Tripon on Dec 10, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be willing to bet that Hoffman will not last the full year on a 25 roster of a team vying to repeat as world champions. He probably won’t even last past spring training. The real question is, will the Dodgers pony up the 25,000 to buy him back or let the Yankee’s stash him back in AAA?
When you look at the starting center fielders in baseball Juan Pierre can certainly start for somebody.
Monasterious probably has a better chance of sticking with the Dodgers then Steve Johnson does with the Giants. How many AA starters stick it as rule 5 guys compared to relief pitchers? Not many, Steve Johnson needs to be pitching every fifth day not rotting as the 25th man in the Giant bullpen, he’s got plenty of work to do on his game and isn’t close to being major league ready.
Zerpa’s walk rate jumped in 2009 from 2.8 in A ball to 6.4 in Advanced A.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=zerpa-001arm
Snazzy WHIP in A ball but he was 22. Tweek here, tweek there, who knows but it is interesting the Dodgers were willing to invest 50,000 in him. One thing the Dodgers seem to do well is recognize pitching talent.
Better to do nothing then to do something rash. How many moves happened at the winter meeting that anyone wishes the Dodgers had been a part of? For me:
1. I’d have signed Harden at that price
2. I would not have traded for E Jackson at that price
3. I would loved to have had Zaun as a backup at that price
4. Might have taken a flyer on Boof Bonser considering the price
5. Would have liked to add Millwood with the Rangers throwing in 3 million
6.
But not doing any of the above is okay with me. I like what Ned is saying, let us see if he follows through or if it is just rhetoric.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Dec 10, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I don’t have a problem with them not doing anything at the Winter Meetings. No reason to make moves just to make moves.
I would have probably signed Wolf to the 2/$16m deal, but the fact that the Dodgers did not tells me they won’t be spending ~$7-8m on a starter. Which means someone like Garland or Padilla probably returns in the $5-6m range for one year (unless they can swing a Pierre trade).
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Garland seems
to pricey but maybe Padilla. I think with Penny getting a base of 7.5 that Garland should be able to match that. If we end up with Padilla at 4-5 and Elbert at the five with the rest of the group hanging around I think we will be just fine. Not World Championship fine but for a team with little financial flexibility I’d still rather have that team entering 2010 then everyone but the Phillies and Braves.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Dec 10, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As scarry as it sounds
There is no other man I would want at the helm right now going into this shitestorm more than Ned. He seems to excel at polishing junk into tools. That being said, heading into a self induced shitestorm is completely stupid and uneccessary.
by Cool Dudes on Dec 10, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well
The Yankees do need a right handed guy that can play CF, since they got Curtis Granderson , Melky Cabrera switch hits but aside from 09 hasn’t really hit lefties at all. and it also depends on how they end up shaping the LF situation.
by RollingWave on Dec 10, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With the need for a 2B
I haven’t heard any mention of the Dodgers having any interest in Uggla. I know he would be expensive (how much?), but he would add some needed power to the lineup.
by Dodgers1981 on Dec 10, 2009 9:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It’s not unreasonable to think we’ll get 30 HR out of each outfield spot. I don’t think we’re desperate for power.
by silverwidow on Dec 10, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have other people's scouting reports for zerpa and monastario or whatever up
by kensai on Dec 10, 2009 9:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Dodgers seem to be taking the “hey, it worked for Belisario, why not try the Venezuelan pipeline again” route
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great. Thanks.
Not a bad idea to read up on these guys seeing as how they will be on the opening day roster…
by Michael White on Dec 10, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Why can major league teams trade a Rule 5 draft pick (as in before the pick is made and therefore its like a trade in football for a draft pick) but not trade the pick in the amateur draft?
by Michael White on Dec 10, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No idea. That may change in the next CBA though (along with no more draft compensation for FA)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good for hoffmann but WTF
and then the fucking quote of colletti.REPKO
ugh at least we have x paul
by hirambocachica on Dec 10, 2009 9:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This cracked me up
Someone named Mike Rizzi on Twitter sent me this tweet about the Rule 5 draft:
what’s the chances ethier player gets returned because the $50k check bounces?
Hilarious!
by Eric Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 9:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Now pitching... dona eis requiem
Well, if nothing else, the Dodgers pick up another excellent name, in Monasterios. I’ve heard he’s a quiet guy, likes to hit himself in the face with his playbook while he walks onto the field.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Dec 10, 2009 9:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Found footage
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Dec 10, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New Post Up Top
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/12/10/1194678/jason-repko-versus-xavier-paul
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Dec 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This offseason has been so frustrating
with the lack of resources given back to the team. I think the local A’s team has been given more flexibility to compete than the Dodgers this year.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
by S Jay Bruin on Dec 10, 2009 11:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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