Young Slugging Dodger Outfielders
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:00 PM PST
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PrintHighest slugging percentage by a Dodger outfielder, through age 24 season (minimum 1,000 plate appearances):
| Dodger OF Through Age 24 | |||
| Player | Years | PA | SLG |
| Raul Mondesi |
1993-1995 | 1125 | .504 |
| Duke Snider | 1947-1951 | 2232 | .497 |
| Pete Reiser | 1940-1942 | 1379 | .496 |
| Matt Kemp | 2006-2009 | 1801 | .480 |
| Tommy Davis |
1959-1963 | 2191 | .467 |
Highest slugging percentage by a Dodger outfielder, through age 27 season (minimum 1,000 plate appearances):
| Dodger OF Through Age 27 | |||
| Player | Years | PA | SLG |
| Babe Herman | 1926-1930 | 2898 | .567 |
| Duke Snider | 1947-1954 | 4189 | .541 |
| Pedro Guerrero | 1978-1983 | 1974 | .512 |
| Raul Mondesi | 1993-1998 | 3085 | .508 |
| Frank Howard | 1958-1964 | 2321 | .495 |
| Andre Ethier | 2006-2009 | 2227 | .490 |
Thanks, as usual, to the amazing Baseball-Reference.com for the info.
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who will hit more homers next year??
kemp or ethier and how many??
i gotta go with Tie!!! 35 EACH!!
Kemp and Ethier both had 9 "Just Enoughs" according to HitTracker
I think Kemp will hit more next year because of his raw power.
I think Kemp will still need some time to harness his power
He’ll probably top out at around 29 or so.
My mouth's bleedin', Burt! My mouth's bleedin'!
by Mr. LA Sports Fan on Dec 14, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
You think Ethier will regress?
My mouth's bleedin', Burt! My mouth's bleedin'!
by Mr. LA Sports Fan on Dec 14, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Only slightly. I think he will hit more doubles.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Ethier hit 31 HR this year though.
Or did you mean same amount of doubles?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
i mean to say
ethier will hit 35 homers..
but he will do it in a more even fashion.. like 18 at home 17 on the road..
he went like 22 and 9 this year home road.. so if he ups his road homers he can hit 35
I would have guessed Women's Artistic Gymnastics.
or maybe We Are God’s or possibly Welsh Assembly Government or even Widely Attended Gathering
I like Widely Attended Gathering
it could also be “Wives And Girlfriends,” as used on Hot Clicks & other places.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
I expect Ethier's average to improve
barring another Manny suspension
My mouth's bleedin', Burt! My mouth's bleedin'!
by Mr. LA Sports Fan on Dec 14, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
There are nearly 1100 comments on MLBTR about the Halladay/Lee deal
Pretty funny, considering no real prospects have been named and especially considering how moronic most of the people are on there.
As the HalLeeday world turns
From MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki:
Sources say only Phillies would receive Seattle prospects for Lee. None would be shipped to Toronto. Kyle Drabek is involved
A good start you mean?
Considering what they were asking from us…
Call me crazy, and I know it’s not my money to spend, but if I were the Phillies and I had enough to trade for Halladay on my own, I would allow a $10m increase in payroll for one year for a unique opportunity to have both Halladay and Lee at the top of the rotation (oh yeah, followed by Hamels).
I say this without knowing the return they are getting for Lee, of course.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
if the Stark rumor is true that the Blue Jays are paying $6m of Halladay’s $15.75m of course.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
I honestly think they would be better off sticking with Lee and keeping their prospects.
The upgrade to Halladay is probably less than 1 win. Lee pitched great for them down the stretch and in the playoffs.
True
But I can see where they are coming from, to a point. Lee didn’t want to sign a long-term deal, but Halladay will. They want a guy at the top for the next few years of their window
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Except Halladay likely wouldn’t be available then…Toronto would probably end up trading him to the Yankees and he’d sign there.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like only 3 years, and he’s choosing to go to a place he feels has an excellent chance to win.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
I also read somewhere that he specifically likes Philly. Not sure exactly why, but it may be that he would prefer to stay out of the NY or Boston media frenzy, while still pitching for a winner on the East Coast with Florida spring training.
Seems like a steep price to pay for the opportunity to sign him to an extension.
Halladay, Lee, Beckett, Vazquez and Webb will all be free agents next offseason as of now.
No doubt. I would have kept Lee as well.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
From all the reports, I'm starting to think that other GM's must really like Ruben Amaro.
I mean he must be one hell of a guy, because he seems to get other teams to reduce their asking price.
For example, I think the Indians basically got a bunch of crap for Lee, and if the package is close to what Stark is now reporting for Halladay (Taylor, D’ Arnaud and Happ or Drabek) then once again, the Jays would be getting a lot less than what they were asking for from other teams.
Baseball America had those three Phillies’ prospects as their 2-3-4 (Brown is #1).
Earlier today, Ben Badler said on Twitter that Taylor is probably still a top 25 prospect in MLB, FWIW. Not sure of his personal list, but if it jives with the rest of BA, that would mean Drabek is also a top 25 prospect.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
darnoaud being 4th
shows how thin their system is though after the top 3
Seriously they are going to have nothing but Brown after this trade. I guess they’ll have whatever they get back from Seattle, and then they have a future Juan Pierre that Phillies fans hype up named Gose, and a potential good reliever name Chapman and thats it as far as I know of. Not sure who they got in this past draft though.
Not to harp on the point
but if these rumors are accurate, I’m still very surprised that the Jays would settle on just three guys even though Taylor and Drabek are both highly regarded.
They wanted Buchholz, Kelly/Westmoreland + others from Boston
They wanted Jesus Montero, Joba or Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson + others from Yanks
They wanted 5 or 6 guys from us, or to include Billz + others
Getting just these three guys from Philly doesn’t make sense to me.
Especially if the report is true that Toronto is also paying $6m to Philly.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
asking price is higher in division
and they wanted to drive the price hgiher for others..
If they were driving the price up on others, it didn’t work, because apparently the price has gone down.
well did you really think they were going to get montero plus joba and jackson
no way..
or buchholtz westmoreland?
no
they got 2 guys in the top 30 prospects in all of baseball in taylor and drabek
well just on the point of Yanks and Sox
you’d have to imagine the asking price is higher in division
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
But they didn't get all those guys they wanted
To “want” guys that nobody will give you doesn’t make any sense.
It comes to a point where you take the best offer.
by Michael White on Dec 14, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
As I said on the other thread
Those deals were never gonna happen. Jays chose to deal with reality.
by Capt Obvious on Dec 15, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
based on that report
seattle gets cliff lee
while only giving up gillies and a reliever aumonte..
That is a raping. I’m sure the final deal will have more details, and more players. Lots of conflicting info out there.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
but gillies is real good
hes exactly like ivan dejssus except gillies has 80 speed out of 80 and gillies plays CF. both take walks, high OBP not much power but can hit the ball out
He’s not good enough to justify the Phillies only getting two players for Cliff Lee
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
yeah defintly..
especially with the other just being a reliever.
he hit 9 homers this year
so he can at leasst hit a homer..
i really think hes dejesus 2.0.. they have many things alike. except speed and position
Yeah
and High Desert in particular is an extreme hitter’s park (in Adelanto)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
8 HR at home, 1 on the road for Gillies
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
alright i have a ?
if high desert is an extreme hitters park… can i know why?
what makes it a hitters park.. just wonderin
Mostly altitude (roughly ~3000 feet above sea level I believe), with some high winds at times too.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
alright..
well his game isnt power anyways.. so i think the air might have hurt him too.. by not letting some balls fall down and drop in front of defenders..
Hahah
You are a staunch Gillies defender… Are you friends with him or something?
nope
just some crazy speed and stats..
.430 OBP last 2 seasons..
fastest guy maybe i nthe minors..
The park factor for everything but triples is above average in Adelanto though. More singles, more doubles, more homers are hit there.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
I do think the park affected him though
Check out Gillies’ home/road splits:
Home: 10% LD%, .194 ISOp
Away: 16% LD%, .095 ISOp
Looks like he changed his game for his home park. Tried (successfully) to launch the ball at home, was more of a line drive guy on the road.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Gillies was at the High Desert / 66ers games I was at in June, and his speed did stand out. He was really close to trying for 3B (from 1B) on a normal wild pitch. I think he would have made it, too.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously
If this ends up being true, the M’s are making out like bandits, then the Phils, and I would say the Jays are the losers. They are going to get a probable backup catcher, a good starter (who has already had Tommy John) and a potentially good OF.
A few months ago, they could have gotten at least four if not five prospects top prospects.
i wouldnt say the jays are loosers..
darnoud can still become a good major league catcher.. he has great Defense already and still needs to work on his hitting.
taylor is a big time power hitter at 6-6 and has produced monsterous numbers the last 2 years in the minors..
drabek is a Future 1 or 2 starter accoording to many..
Yeah
They may have been able to get more, but as it stands now as rumored, the Jays will get more for Halladay than…
the Twins got for Johan
the Indians got for CC (½ season)
the Indians (½ season) or the Phillies got for Lee
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
Checked Drabek
on BR, his age 21 AA season was quite a bit off from Kershaw’s age 20 AA season, FWIW.
by Capt Obvious on Dec 15, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
Drabek didn't even outperform Billingsleys age 20 AA season.
Not to mention Drabek has already had Tommy John. Not sure if that is a flag to teams anymore, but I was browsing a list of players who have the surgery, and it seemed that most of the ones who got TJ at a young age turned out to be injury prone throughout their careers (although there are some successful exceptions)
anyone knows
where to find kemp’s hit chart. Please not the mlb one
seems to me he change his swing since 2006, like a lot.
proof
ESPN has it here, but it’s behind the Insider wall.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
damn kemp crowded the plate like crazy
still does but not as much
Those nameless unis were ugly
My mouth's bleedin', Burt! My mouth's bleedin'!
by Mr. LA Sports Fan on Dec 14, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
listening to 610 WIP (Philly sports) now
It’s so funny listening to these Philadelphia fans complain about the owners not willing to spend to have Halladay AND Lee. Try being us for a few days, guys!
Well justified moping notwithstanding, I do see their point. If the latest reports are true, it’s intersting that the Phillies are NOW willing to part with the same prospects that they weren’t willing to at the trade deadline for Halladay. Guess losing to the Yankees really leaves a toll!
classic. Have McCourt own the team there for a week – then they’d really know what cheap is all about.
If we hired Isiah Thomas to run the show I think that would force McCourt to sell sooner, but of course the results might be a bit more catastrophic.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Well, we did switch from the earlier post to this new one. So it was a post move, of sorts :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
also, you may be interested to know
Philly fans are greatful that they kept Halladay away from us. Two things to take away from that-
1) They obviously don’t know everything going on here.
2) They still consider the Dodgers a threat. That made me feel a LITTLE better. I’ll take moral victories where I can get ’em…
Gillies
In 2010, I’m guessing in AA or AAA :)
I don’t think Antopolous will let Wells’ contract get in the way of him releasing him
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
D'oh
These trade rumors are turning me in knots. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Hahah there is another post up on MLBTR from Bob Elliot
It has a slightly different scenario but I didn’t even want to post it because of all the different mixes that have been reported.
Mathewmafa you'll like this...
At age four, Gillies was diagnosed with a hearing impairment that has left him with 30 percent hearing in one ear and 60 percent in the other. Thanks to the use of hearing aids and an ability to read lips Gilles has little trouble overcoming his impairment. He said this about his disability:
" I had to try harder. It made me stronger. It’s the focus – I have to focus hard on everything I do in life. On the field I depend on knowing every situation, cutoff plays, where baserunners are, because I can’t always hear people yelling. I rely on what I see and what I know about the game. I study it. I think my vision is probably phenomenal, I know I see things other people don’t. I think the lack of one sense forced me to use another more, so I see everything going on around me. I have to. "
—Tyson Gillies, thenewstribune: March 23, 2009.
damn
what a G
this guy will become a great Cf and leadoff hitter in the future.. too bad it will be for the phils
It is too bad
I never really cared about the Phillies, but now after the last two years, I pretty much hate them so I don’t like seeing them with any good prospects.
lol
holliday sucks.
holliday<kemp
we better sign up kemp long term before he will demand the same contract or even more
Well I guess we know Holliday will be a Card for a while because no one else is going to get close to that.
If Holliday signs with the Cards
which I thought wouldn’t happen, but now looks increasingly likely, the Cards vault into the NL #2 position. Yeah, we beat them in the NLDS, and could again I suppose, but our team is now weaker while theirs is about the same…assuming Matt stays.
by Capt Obvious on Dec 15, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
I’d be surprised if Brad Penny has as good of a season as Joel Pineiro had last year. They also have no fifth starter, and their internal options aren’t very good. Also, they don’t have DeRosa, leaving a hole at 3B as of now. They also have lost Ankiel, although not the biggest loss really, since Rasmus is ready to go the whole season.
Cardinals front office are the anti-Dodgers, and I don't mean that as a compliment
Paying Brad Penny slightly less than the Phils are gonna pay for Lee, and now this. They are literally going for broke.
I felt bad for Holliday after game 2 of the NLDS (it was a secondary feeling, but a feeling nonetheless), but I think this will help him get over it.
So to retain Pujols in a couple years
They would have to have around $40 Million tied up in just two players? That seems quite risky. I hope the Cards have a good farm system.
right now
they have a bottom 3 farm system in the mlb
There’s always a chance Seattle could flip Lee at the deadline for a HELL of a lot more than Aumount/Gillies.
And there’s a better chance they themselves gave up more than that.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 14, 2009 9:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Haha I knew you were kidding, but I was curious. Is he going to MLB camp with a shot at the rotation or are they planning to protect him for a year or half a year?
I know I could google this, but don’t feel like it.
i bet he starts off the year in the minors..
and if he dominates they will bring him up after the super 2 thing is over
Toronto got a solid haul here
The team that comes off looking terrible – Cleveland. What a pile of crap they took.
I am shocked by this deal!
Aumont and Gillies for Lee seems light, and I can’t believe the Jays are sending $6 Million to get those three prospects!
Your community needs your leadership and guidance
We need an epic farewell Juan post.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
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