Juan Pierre Traded To White Sox
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 8:08 AM PST
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The Dodgers have traded outfielder Juan Pierre to the White Sox for two players to be named later, per Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports. Brown also reports the Dodgers are picking up "about half of remaining salary."
Buster Olney of ESPN reports the Dodgers will pay $7 million (of the $10 million) to Pierre in 2010, and $3.5 million (of the $8.5 million) in 2011.
General manager Ned Colletti had this to say:
Juan always put the Dodgers first, even when it wasn’t in his personal best interest. In this day, that is a rare attribute. When he and I spoke at the end of the season, we agreed that if an opportunity presented itself in which his chance to play would be enhanced, we would pursue it and that’s what we’ve done. He deserved the chance to play more.
I don't expect the pitchers to be much. This deal is pure salary relief for the Dodgers. The Dodgers have until January 7 to pick the two players from the White Sox.
Because it is a rule that when writing about Juan Pierre, it must be mentioned what a great guy he is, I will not deviate from that. Pierre is a hard worker, and by all accounts a good teammate. This is not in dispute, as I have seen it with my own eyes. This has also been mentioned for three seasons by many in the mainstream media, often before noting his acutal production on the baseball field.
In the interests of full disclosure, I will admit that the day Pierre signed with the Dodgers I sent an email to my family with the subject "God Damnit" because I was so pissed off at the signing. I hold no ill will toward Pierre the person, but I just want to lay out the facts about Pierre the player.
From 2007 to 2009, there have been 234 players with 1,000 plate appearances. Pierre ranks...
- 211th in OPS+ (84)
- 218th in SLG (.357)
OK, that's not fair. Pierre's game is getting on base and scoring runs. Among those 234 major leaguers, Pierre ranks...
- 140th in OBP (.339)
- 133rd in runs/PA (12.63%)
Heading into 2007, the Dodgers had Matt Kemp, who at the time was thought by many to be unable to play center field. The Dodgers chose to give Pierre five years rather than signing a stopgap like Kenny Lofton for one year. After 2007, the Dodgers thought so much of Pierre's defense in center field that they signed Andruw Jones. Now, both Pierre and Jones are on the White Sox, still getting paid by the Dodgers, and the Dodgers have their man in center field who has been here all along.
Thank you, Juan Pierre, for playing well for the first part of the Manny Ramirez suspension, in May, and creating trade value that wasn't there before this season.
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Pierre acquired FOR minor leaguers
by Colletti! it’s like our world is turned upside down! A parallel universe! We’re through the looking glass, people!
Any idea who the pitchers are yet?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Given the team needs OF depth
and he’s like the Thing That Won’t Die, I wouldn’t hold my breath. Right now it’s Paul, Repko, and who knows what, as outfield depth.
Maybe we’ll get Jonny Gomes now after all, eh Eric?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
PS: I do wish
Juan good luck and good health, no hard feelings against him at all.
I just hope this salary relief is actually used for something useful.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Best case scenario
The money saved is used to try and lock up Matt Kemp (I realize this alone is not enough but its a good start.)
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
This is great news!!!!
but I agree, I hope this frees up money to be used, not to go to McCourt’s loan sharks
Hey, Ken Rosenthal stole my joke. Or my point. Or whatever it was.
“White Sox now have A. Jones AND Pierre! Who’s next, Manny?”
I do feel bad for Juan on that point. Doubt he’s looking forward to seeing Goo-man.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
So I wonder what these savings are going to be used for. A pitcher, or just towards the kids’ raises.
Do you guys think we got B prospects or lower? At least top 20?
We are eating half the salary, so I would hope Ned got something decent at least.
It is exactly
what I said so TOOT TOOT
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I would say
we got nothing. Just getting rid of 1/2 the salary was the White Sox gift.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Hahahhah
There are a lot of commenters on MLBTR saying, “damn White Sox got lucky”, “I wish the Tigeres would have done this” etc.
One Phillies fan said, "Dodgers are going to finish third in the NL West now
Hope you're setting those fools straight
Yep, that’s right. Juan Pierre, the main reason the Dodgers made NLCS two years in a row. (Not that he didn’t contribute last season, because he did… But still, that perspective is skewed.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
MLBTR idiots just make me laugh
Someone posted “Juan Pierre is a force to be reckoned with” and they were serious
Yeah I finally gave in and posted something
And another guy just pointed to his high batting average last year as evidence of how good he is. Siiiigh.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Just want to say to all the naysayers
who said Pierre was untradeable – You be wrong
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The White Sox Pitching Prospects Are...
…are fairly undesirable even in the Top 5 to 15 range. I think we got warm bodies like the guy we got from the Pirates for Delwyn Young. The advantage of the deal to us almost certainly lies solely in saving $9 million.
How pathetic
is the state of financials that the biggest thing we’ve had to cheer about this winter is moving $10Million in salary when you consider that is this probably just saving some money for Frank and will do nothing to enhance the team.
At least we can do away with what bad contract we could trade Juan for. No more Castillo, Arroyo, Harang, or Meche. No we simply have to either trade prospects for rotation on buy cheap on the free market.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Thats what I was thinking...
it is pretty pathetic, especially the fact that this is the most exciting part of the off-season and we didn’t even get a shitty starter back.
can someone recalculate the amount that the dodgers owe now?
exactly how much salary are the McCourts paying to folks who will never wear the blue again?
White Sox outfield is going to be Pierre in Left, Rios in Center, and Quentin in Right with Andruw Jones as their backup
That just sounds funny
Lot of upside
in Rios and Quentin but if they do 2009 again they are in trouble.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
By the way, this isn't a bad move for the White Sox
I mean, 2 years, 9 million when you basically have only one outfielder than can play there without dying. It’s a fine contract.
It's a good move for both teams frankly
but saving 8million is about the best the Dodgers could have hoped for.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
What's the point of a PTBNL during the offseason?
It’s not like players need to clear waivers (like with Abreu last year)
The Dodgers might have a list from which to choose two players, and they just haven’t yet picked the players.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
So in that case, since there is a six month window, do you wait until April or May to do some scouting and then pick two guys, or do you get them into the Dodgers system now and start the year fresh?
Depends on what they agreed upon. Most likely they set a date by which the Dodgers have to pick the players, most likely sometime before spring training.
Only way it would be six months is if it was indeed 2009 draft picks.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
PTLB's Have To Be Named Within Six Months
And nobody drafted in 2009 will be eligible to be traded within the next six months.
If we're talking about MLBTR
Anyone who has an account there, be sure to pile on to the Jays fans who were just so certain last month that the Dodgers were stupid for not wanting to part with Billingsley and top prospects for Halladay.
Haha, look what you ended up getting you fuckers…
I often read the comments on that site
but it is very difficult to post anything because a very strong majority know nothing.
For instance, several people still don’t understand that the Phillies are trying to keep a strict payroll and that’s why they are trading Lee. They are calling Philly cheap and stupid.
Another guy wrote, why don’t they just non-tender Blanton ( who is not in arbitration years)
There are others who think the Dodgers now suck because we traded Pierre, and those same people think the Dodgers are going to be getting two good B prospects.
Someone on there wrote the Phillies are idiots for getting an OF (referring to Gillies) who has no power and bad plate discipline when Gillies had like a .430 OBP the last couple years.
And NO ONE on that site knows anything about prospects, although they all think they do. Basically they read BA’s top 100 list and think anyone one there is awesome and no one else is worth discussing.
Aye
They are overrating Drabek quite a bit over there. Top of the rotation Ace potential? Mkay, I guess you could say that about alot of players then.
by Capt Obvious on Dec 15, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
We would be saying the same of Withrow so I have no problem with Phillie fans thinking he has that potential.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It’s an MLBTR thing. If it’s a Dodgers prospect, he’s no good, or overrated at best. Just last month they were saying Bills is overrated because he wasn’t even trusted to start in the playoffs so dealing him and our best prospects for Halladay was a fair deal, but could be easily beaten by other teams like the Red Sox.
It’s that attitude that I’m mocking here. Quite simply, the haul the Jays fans expected to get didn’t materialize. They can be happy with Drabek all they want but he’s no Chad Billingsley.
by Capt Obvious on Dec 15, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Not just Phils fans but Jays fans, some of whom were shitting on Billingsley just last month.
by Capt Obvious on Dec 15, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Phillies and for some reason Jays fans LOVE Drabek for some reason.
It was pointed out yesterday that both Kershaw and Billz outperformed Drabek at same age at AA. Plus Drabek has already had a TJ surgery.
The problem with these Juan Pierre comments is that they always misdirect the blame
Where is written that it is Colletti who gave him the contract that is now worth 44% of what he paid, when Juan really played pretty much like his previous stats would indicate?
Signing Pierre for two years for 8 million seems like a good signing to me. Signing Pierre to that mammoth contract, which was probably worth at most about 66% of its value as soon as the pen had dried was the problem. It doesn’t help that that is the exact same time they got rid of Werth.
Juan Pierre sure as hell hasn’t hurt this team. He has played well and done his part in contributing to the team. He has done the most of taking advantages of opportunities given him (like saying hell yes to a 5 year 50 million year dea, stepping up for Manny, helping us in the playoffs) and I wish him well and I disparage him no ill will that huge mountain of Dodger cash he is taking with him to Chicago. Colletti and management hurt the team with a bad contract. Where is all of the outrage to Colletti and management that have never ever seemed to really take the responsibility for that contract? Stupidity like that and the AJ signing is exactly why the the team is almost bankrupt. Even the guy who eventually worked out, Manny, has been way too expensive when you add Juan Pierre’s loss of 56% of his contract value and 99% (the 1% being money recovered from the Rangers, not any performance on the field) loss of contract value from AJ and all of that was to replace a player they already had. Werth-Pierre-AJ-Manny, really why is there not more blame directed at this pattern?
Anyway good luck with your new team Juan and enjoy your cash.
I and many others have spent three years, here and at Dodger Thoughts, ripping Colletti for the Pierre move.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
Colletti has never been given a free pass. In fact, a lot of the good moves he has made since then have probably gone underappreciated because of how badly he screwed up the Pierre contract.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
I Know You Have, but I Disagree, You Are a Minority, Not the Majority
But let me just say, that the people who constantly harp about how Juan Pierre sucks over and over again on the internet are the equivalent to those at Dodger stadium who yell “(Visiting Team) Sucks” and I see them as no better than Phil sees those who do that at Dodger stadium.
The people who don’t understand why people like and clap for Juan as a player really just don’t get it.
But let me just say, that the people who constantly harp about how Juan Pierre sucks over and over again on the internet are the equivalent to those at Dodger stadium who yell "(Visiting Team) Sucks"
And I don’t need conjecture to prove you wrong. I’ve been to games with DT folk and TBLA folk, of which I’d say about 90% are unimpressed with Juan Pierre as a starting ballplayer and not one of them would ever chant “team sucks”.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’m saying to me, that’s the internet equivalent, not that that’s an indication that their behavior would be like that at DS. Its obnoxious to me. That’s all, not that those people would ever utter any chants in real life. I’m saying people saying Juan sucks over and over are as annoying to me as those making that chant in DS are to you.
Its more of a personal opinion, so you can disagree with it, but I can pretty much vouch for its accuracy.
Okay
that is clear, your other post was not.
We also find those who continue his hard work just as annoying.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I'd say its quite the opposite though
oddly enough, give a standing O to Pierre every time he came up to bat became as natural to fans as booing andruw jones or chanting “(visiting team) sucks”
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Crazy trade day
From Buster Olney:
It’s all moving fast: As soon as Halladay deal is done, the Jays are going to trade Michael Taylor to Oakland for Brett Wallace
Haven’t seen the final trade, but I don’t think it will technically be a 3- or 4-team trade because all the Seattle prospects are going to Philly. So that part is like two “companion” trades, as I saw people call it last night.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
Two young minor league power hitters
Traded for each other? Random.
Billy sure flips
the young prospects he trades for kind of quickly. He wouldn’t need Michael Taylor if he had kept Carlos Gonzalez in the first place.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Yep
Crazy…too bad we can’t be real players in a market like this. We’re so excited about dumping less than half of Pierre’s salary for a 3 legged dog…
by Capt Obvious on Dec 15, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
Even when we were players for big time free agents
(Manny last year qualifies) we would have been happy with unloading Pierre.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
diamond83
RT @jonmorosi One source says John Ely and Jon Link are the pitchers heading from #WhiteSox to #Dodgers.
Per Sickels for Ely and Southsidesox.com for Link
John Ely, RHP, Grade C: I know scouts hate him but he just keeps getting people out. Passed Double-A Finesse Pitcher Test with flying colors.
Jon Link: The lack of a September call-up for this member of the 40-man roster is telling. I previewed Link before the season and pointed out that while he strikes out a good amount, he also walks a good amount. Literally, nothing changed this season at Charlotte from last season at Birmingham as he had identical 2.44 K/BB ratios. While the 10.5 K/9 is sexy, you just can’t walk that many guys and expect to be successful in the majors. The scouting reports remain encouraging but, at some point, you have to match with performance.
I was hoping both would be non-40-man types, but Link probably has a season to see what he can do in the PCL.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Saved $8M
Should be enough money to sign a league average pitcher for one year. If we so choose.
vr, Xei
How do you figure?
We only saved 3 Million this year and that might get us a non – tendered 2nd baseman.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I don’t think the ceiling is $92m, but I am prepared to be disappointed
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
but only $3 Million this year, so why are you counting the saving next year into the payroll for this year?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
You said we could
now afford an $8 million dollar pitcher or am I misunderstanding your post?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I just don’t think the Dodgers will use all $8m this year. They might have already had $5m in the budget to sign a guy, and now they have $8m, but I don’t think they are counting on spending all $8m saved this year
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
This news made my day
FINALLY! If one of our OF goes down for any length of time, we’re not hamstrung by having to play Pierre.
I’d like to get some more info on Ely and Link though.
Ely was 23 at AA last year: 14-2 in 27 starts, 2.72 ERA, 2.9 walks, 7.2 strikeouts per 9
Link was 25 at AAA last year: reliever, 3.99 ERA 4.3 walks, 10.5 strikeouts per 9
Link is on 40-man, Ely is not
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Ely was drafted in 2007, doesn’t have to be put on 40-man until 2011
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Ely’s 2009 FIP was 3.23. Link’s 2009 FIP was 3.51
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
New Post Up Top
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/12/15/1201631/the-juan-pierre-era-comes-to-an-end
with a baseball hq scouting report on the possible acquisitions are the bottom.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
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