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The Juan Pierre era comes to an end

thus putting the final touches on one of the  Ned Colletti's worst deals as the Dodger GM. It is the deal that set many against him before he even got started.

The lightning rod Juan Pierre has probably had the largest effect on the current financial state of the team than any other player.  When his first year was complete it was apparent to Ned that he was not the center fielder they envisioned when they gave him that five year deal. So they went out and got what they thought was the answer in center field in Andruw Jones.  To say the least that did not pan out either.  Pierre was moved to LF to make room for Andruw and he was also found wanting in LF so Ned then went out and completed his best deal when he acquired Manny to play LF and slide Juan into the role of fourth outfielder. While Ned was playing free agent center fielder, the best center fielder turned out to be an internal option whom they finally turned to when Andruw Jones failed.

During his time with the Dodgers, Juan Pierre has been a good Dodger if not the most productive one. For one month he gave us the unforeseen Beast Mode but most of the time he did exactly what he'd always done. He played hard, he stole bases, he ran the bases extremely well, was rarely hurt, hit for some average, didn't get on base at a very high clip, didn't have much of an arm, didn't play center field very well given his speed. He was exactly as advertised, the only problem with that is that he was paid much to much for what he did.

His value has always been right about 1/2 of the contract the Dodgers gave him. The Dodgers will continue to pay for that mistake this year and next but the White Sox will be getting a fairly valued Left Fielder.

I wish Juan Pierre nothing but good will as he can now begin his quest again for 2,000 hits. 

The Dodger roster keeps growing with players we are paying to not be Dodgers. WIth the news from Eric that the Dodgers will be paying $7 Million for him to play with the White Sox the Dodgers are now paying $17 Million toward players not on the roster in 2010.

2010: $17,590,000

Juan Pierre: $7,000,000
Andruw Jones: $3,200,000 (deferred salary)
Nomar Garciaparra: $1,125,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Jason Schmidt: $2,625,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Will Ohman: $200,000 (option buyout)
Orlando Hudson: $$1,440,000  (deferred signing bonus)
Randy Wolf: $2,000,000

 

Possible Players Acquired, with scouting reports by Baseball HQ:

12. Jon Link RHP.....26.....2005 (26) Virginia Commonwealth by San Diego Padres

Team (LG)         W-L ERA    IP  CMD  K/9  oppBA 
============== === ==== ===== ==== ==== =====
Charlotte (IL) 1-2 3.99 56.1 2.4 10.5 256
MLE 1-2 5.67 56.1 2.0 9.2 292
Strengths: Plus 88-94 MPH fastball. Hard slider. Changeup. Pitch movement.
Weaknesses: LHH. FB command. Control. Inconsistent slider.
Comments: Powerful reliever has closing experience and could evolve into legitimate late-innings option in Majors. Possesses three average to above average offerings with sinker, SL, and CU. Erratic mechanics and release point hinder control and needs to set up piches better.
2010 MLB Role: Short reliever
Potential Rating: 7B

 

14. John Ely RHP.....23.....2007 (3) Miami-OH

Team (LG)         W-L ERA    IP  CMD  K/9  oppBA 
============== === ==== ===== ==== ==== =====
Birmingham (SL) 14-2 2.82 156.1 2.5 7.2 241
MLE 14-2 3.86 156.1 2.0 6.2 274
Strengths: Plus curveball. 87-92 MPH fastball. Groundballer. Strong frame. Aggressiveness. Deception.
Weaknesses: Changeup. Stiff arm action. Effort in delivery.
Comments: Short and strong pitcher with fringe-average velocity, but keeps hitters off-balance with sinking changeup. Complements moving fastball with plus curveball and mixes pitches well. Commands plate and induces groundballs, but doesn't dominate. Effort in delivery may lead to durability issues.
2010 MLB Role: Middle reliever
Potential Rating: 7C

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Don’t forget Wolf and Hudson, who are getting deferred money in 2010 too.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

Added more info to the trade story

Dodgers have until January 7 to pick two players

by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

So we shall see

endless conjecture and then the two players will be so meaningless that the fact we wasted our time guessing on who they might be would seem to suggest we had better things to do.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 15, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Sign Bedard,

and see if the Mets want to eat 90% of Castillo’s deal, otherwise have DeWitt and other in house guys battle it out. 5 starter to Elbert, and call it a day.

by oshea2002 on Dec 15, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions  

mattkemp27
  
Everybody knows I’m gonna miss my dog J Pizzel. He taught me alot of things about the game, especially taught me how 2 stay n BeastMode!!!!

by Tripon on Dec 15, 2009 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

hahaha

Matt Kemp is the man.

by Ivdown on Dec 15, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

From ESPN
The Dodgers will select two pitching prospects from a list furnished by the White Sox, a source told ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. The names on the list are all pitchers who could reach the big leagues by 2010, the source said.

by Tripon on Dec 15, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Wow

that is a lot better than I thought they would do .

by LA Taco on Dec 15, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Have to admit

I’m pleasantly surprised if they get these two pitchers.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 15, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Especially the first paragraph.

by Cool Dudes on Dec 15, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

Anyone missing D Young now?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 15, 2009 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

Well not really

but the fact he can play 2nd would make him quite useful as a fourth outfielder, switch hitter, and can play 2nd.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

To be honest, not really.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Not that his departure wasn’t ill-advised or at least ill-planned

by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I have moved on to missing Tony Abreu :)

by LA Taco on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I still miss seeing “DYoung” in the box score.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 15, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Crazy amount of money for Holliday isnt’ it?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 15, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

insane

potentially one of those franchise-killers if Holliday spends a lot of time on the DL.

by LA Taco on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Every Cardinal fan must think of Holliday around this time of the season when they the Nutcracker Suite.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 15, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Its crazy that he has not accepted! Thinking they might get more from the Yanks maybe? He better get on that before it gets pulled. Man is Boras one greedy bastard

by BFDC on Dec 15, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

When they re-sign Pujols in 2012

They are going to be paying a lot of $$ for aging players.

by delias man on Dec 15, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Two player are going to gobble up their payrolll

If we yield now, all is over; but if we fight, there is yet a hope that we may stand upright

by Sordid on Dec 15, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

So..............

Do the Dodgers stay with Repko/Paul as the fourth outfielders or pursue the likes of Gomes?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 15, 2009 10:01 AM PST reply actions  

I would love Gomes, but I think they go with one or two of Repko, Paul instead

by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I just don't think we have the money

to go after Gomes with such glaring holes elsewhere.

by oshea2002 on Dec 15, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure if mentioned -

but ESPN is saying the AGon to Boston talks are back on.

Adding Lackey to Beckett, Lester, Dice K, and A Gon to the lineup – borderline unfair

by oshea2002 on Dec 15, 2009 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

Some of us were speculating yesterday

that the Cameron signing was a precursor to the Red Sox trying to package Buchholz, Ellsbury and others for AGon

by BFDC on Dec 15, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

have to say that would be a good basis for a package for the Padres.

by LA Taco on Dec 15, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

And honestly that might be why Boras and Holliday didn't jump all over the Cards' offer

because if that gets done, the Yankees reaction might be to offer Holliday something big.

This is my own wild speculation of course. But if it happens, you heard it here first hahah

by BFDC on Dec 15, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

From the L.A. Times article on Pierre being traded.

What a joke. Dodgers pay the white sox to take Pierre? Didn’t Pierre hit over 300 stole bases and played good defense. MAybe he was unhappy but they need him, more than you think. Manny will not play 160 games, he sucked after the suspension. Manny can’t take steriods, so he will lose his bat speed and power. We are stuck with a 250 batter hitting 20 homers and getting paid 20 million. Is that better than paying Juan 9 million for batting 300 and 30 stolen bases. This sucks

Posted by: cam | December 15, 2009 at 08:43 AM

by Tripon on Dec 15, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions  

That's why Jon Weisman is needed at the LAT

His best quote in his Dodger Thoughts story is this:

Let me emphasize this point: Pierre has never in his career had a season as good as Ramirez had in 2009

by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Well

that quote is like comparing apples with oranges. Both players do two different things, which is obvious. I don’t understand the constant need for writers and bloggers to remind themselves of this.

by Ian Capilouto on Dec 15, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

It points out the obvious

and comes off as condescending. To me.

by Ian Capilouto on Dec 15, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

It needs to be stated because there are many fans and writers who think Juan Pierre is better than Manny Ramirez.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Tell me you giggled when you typed that

by Julio Nievas on Dec 15, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that's a stretch

The vast majority knows Manny is the better player. There is a minority who thinks the Dodgers should play Juan instead of Manny, but more because some type of fake moral outrage than because of ability.

by Cool Dudes on Dec 15, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

true, but that doesn't mean Jon Weisman's comment is necessarily true

Plus, for someone who is normally good about putting things in perspective, the relatively small number of people that talk about how Pierre should play instead of Manny seems to really irk him. (There are people disappointed with Manny, myself included, but the majority of people still think Manny should be in left field)

But getting to the comment itself, in addition to comparing apples and oranges, it is VERY debatable whether Pierre EVER had a season as good as Manny’s 2009. People have different measurements of what makes someone a “good” player than they used to just 15 years ago, and Juan Pierre, by most measures, doesn’t fit the newer definition. But still- let’s not forget that this is a guy who finished 10th in MVP voting in 2003, and was instrumental in helping his team win a World Championship. I’m not saying this to argue JP over Manny- I’m just addressing Jon’s comment, if it’s to be taken 100% literally (which I’m sure is how he meant it).

by sarcastro9 on Dec 15, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I have not been irked by anything today.

But I do think there are enough people out there who prefer Pierre over Manny that I don’t see why I can’t say the opposite. It might not be a majority, but it’s far from an insignificant number.

I don’t see how comparing the two top left fielders from the 2009 Dodgers is comparing apples and oranges.

by JonWeisman on Dec 15, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That's Actually A Good Thing about Today that I hadn't Thought about

I might actually be able to read the comments to Dodger Thoughts now.

Previously it irked me how it was accepted dogma that Juan Pierre was absolutely terrible and should not be playing major league baseball and that any attempt that someone made to say they like Juan Pierre was instantly castigated by hating throngs. It was like an mention of Juan Pierre was positive somehow challenged the central dogma. That changed a bit after May, but I thought it to be a detriment to many of the good writings and humor there.

by Cool Dudes on Dec 15, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

As a longtime fellow reader and commenter at Dodger Thoughts, I think you are being way too sensitive in this regard.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

You Could Be Right or I Could Just Rely on Swearing A Lot

Its a lot easier to “clense” your feelings and move on on this blog because of the “literary” freedom :)

by Cool Dudes on Dec 15, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

There is plenty of context in Jon’s article to remove any hint of condescension.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say the whole article was condescending.

Just those parts. I think a lot of what people like about Pierre over Manny is the whole PED suspension thing and their perception of Pierre being a good guy. While Manny Ramirez will forever be the better player, most fans are going to prefer Pierre over Manny on morality grounds. As a fan, I can respect that viewpoint. Anyway, I am glad for the trade.

by Ian Capilouto on Dec 15, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Both players do two different things, which is obvious

But both players play LF. So the decision to play one or the other needs to be made, so management needs to compare them.

by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess comparing a HOF player

with a grinder type of player seems like too easy of a comparison. I think even your average Joe fan understands that Manny Ramirez is an elite player. If Ned Colletti felt there was more value in Pierre, than it would be a problem.

by Ian Capilouto on Dec 15, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Somebody give that guy a tissue

I rather have a guy who can supply runs and give me an OPS above .900 than a dude who regularly bats with an ops of .700

by Julio Nievas on Dec 15, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

That poster just doesn't get it.

If we yield now, all is over; but if we fight, there is yet a hope that we may stand upright

by Sordid on Dec 15, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

And the majority of the posters in the article are pro-Juan/anti-Manny.

by Tripon on Dec 15, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Keith Law – great stuff on LA (pretty negative though) from our local ESPN yesterday. Can access it through his twitter – http://twitter.com/keithlaw

by oshea2002 on Dec 15, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

John Ely

BHQ has his changeup as his weakness, yet, BA has his changeup as the best of the farm system. Hm.

by Julio Nievas on Dec 15, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

yeah, like I said Sunday

I like Pierre more than most around here, but I am all for this if it really means an increased chance in locking one or two of the “kids” up- and it will certainly help if those two players to be named later actually do something positive at the major league level! We shall see…

by sarcastro9 on Dec 15, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

Every time I see the way the payroll has been butchered I want to stab Ned in the face.

On the World Champion Lakers Basketball Network...

by sumo390 on Dec 15, 2009 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

Them too

But still, Ned didn’t help the situation any.
So in conclusion, stab the McCourts 5 times, stab Ned once.

On the World Champion Lakers Basketball Network...

by sumo390 on Dec 15, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Disclaimer, I am in the camp that Rosenthal and Morosi throw shit against the wall to see if it sticks, but still...

Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports says there’s no guarantee the Dodgers will spend the money they saved in the Juan Pierre deal.

by BFDC on Dec 15, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions  

well of course there’s no “guarantee”. It’s quite possible their budget is not directly tied to Pierre in any way.

by LA Taco on Dec 15, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I can almost guarantee it was already spent

Andruw Jones: $3,200,000 (deferred salary)
Nomar Garciaparra: $1,125,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Jason Schmidt: $2,625,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Will Ohman: $200,000 (option buyout)
Orlando Hudson: $$1,440,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Randy Wolf: $2,000,000

This was more a “get me through to May” deal. In return Colletti gets to sign one vet.

by Cool Dudes on Dec 15, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

It seems Jon Link could be a bullpen weapon if he can harness his control.

We also picked up two potential relievers off the rule 5. I wonder if we are just stockpiling hard throwing relievers (which is never a bad idea) or if this is a precursor to trading some of our existing bullpen…

by BFDC on Dec 15, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

Blast

Unfortunately, I can’t edit that fanpost from the mobile. Or at least I’m not going to try w/o having access to multiple windows. At least I have 3G coverage here. But Dreifort will be getting a raise now.

by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 15, 2009 2:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

MSTI

posted that before the two prospects were finalized, they wondered if one of them would be Justin Fuller. LOL!

by sarcastro9 on Dec 15, 2009 4:26 PM PST reply actions  

That would have been funny. :)

by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

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San Diego 76 59 .562 0 Lost 10
San Francisco 76 61 .554 1 Won 2
Colorado 72 64 .529 4.5 Won 3
Los Angeles 69 68 .503 8 Lost 2
Arizona 56 81 .408 21 Lost 2

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2010 Dodger Payroll

Pos No Player 2010 Salary
C 28 Barajas $117,486
1B 7 Loney $3,100,000
2B  13 Theriot $909,290
3B 23 Blake $6,000,000
SS 15 Furcal $8,500,000
LF  21 Podsednik $640,710
CF 27 Kemp $4,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $6,000,000

SS/2B/3B 14 Carroll $1,475,000
OF 5 Johnson $850,000
2B/3B/1B 3 Belliard $825,000
OF/1B 31 Gibbons $155,738
C 12 Ausmus $850,000
C 17 Ellis $332,241

SP 22 Kershaw $440,000
SP 58 Billingsley $3,850,000
SP 18 Kuroda $14,100,000
SP  29 Lilly $1,696,721
SP 44 Padilla $4,025,000

CL 56 Kuo $950,000
RHP 51 Broxton $4,000,000
RHP  26 Dotel $636,612
RHP 74
Jansen $159,563
RHP 54 Belisario $297,541
RHP 38 Troncoso $297,792
RHP 36 Weaver $800,000
LHP 52 Sherrill $4,500,000
RHP 37 Monasterios $460,000

DL 59 Schlichting $185,792
DL 55 Martin $5,050,000

Manny $7,267,760


Pierre $4,000,000


Andruw $3,600,000


Schmidt $2,000,000


Wolf $2,000,000


Hudson $1,440,000


Nomar $1,250,000
Anderson $409,699
Ra.Ortiz $349,727
AAA 45 Miller $292,623
DeWitt $266,612


Ohman $200,000
AAA 49 Haeger $195,393
AAA 47 Wade $194,514
AAA  48 Ely $161,749
AAA 30 Paul $131,147


Repko $122,951
DFA 33 Castro $118,033
Green $96,175
Ru.Ortiz $63,934
AAA 50 Link $48,087
DFA 35
Taschner $39,344


Zerpa $35,000
McDonald $28,771
AAA 60 Hu $13,148
AAA 57 Elbert $6,557
AAA
Hoffmann ($25,000)


Stults ($400,000)

Totals
$99,109,950
 
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