The Juan Pierre era comes to an end
thus putting the final touches on one of the Ned Colletti's worst deals as the Dodger GM. It is the deal that set many against him before he even got started.
The lightning rod Juan Pierre has probably had the largest effect on the current financial state of the team than any other player. When his first year was complete it was apparent to Ned that he was not the center fielder they envisioned when they gave him that five year deal. So they went out and got what they thought was the answer in center field in Andruw Jones. To say the least that did not pan out either. Pierre was moved to LF to make room for Andruw and he was also found wanting in LF so Ned then went out and completed his best deal when he acquired Manny to play LF and slide Juan into the role of fourth outfielder. While Ned was playing free agent center fielder, the best center fielder turned out to be an internal option whom they finally turned to when Andruw Jones failed.
During his time with the Dodgers, Juan Pierre has been a good Dodger if not the most productive one. For one month he gave us the unforeseen Beast Mode but most of the time he did exactly what he'd always done. He played hard, he stole bases, he ran the bases extremely well, was rarely hurt, hit for some average, didn't get on base at a very high clip, didn't have much of an arm, didn't play center field very well given his speed. He was exactly as advertised, the only problem with that is that he was paid much to much for what he did.
His value has always been right about 1/2 of the contract the Dodgers gave him. The Dodgers will continue to pay for that mistake this year and next but the White Sox will be getting a fairly valued Left Fielder.
I wish Juan Pierre nothing but good will as he can now begin his quest again for 2,000 hits.
The Dodger roster keeps growing with players we are paying to not be Dodgers. WIth the news from Eric that the Dodgers will be paying $7 Million for him to play with the White Sox the Dodgers are now paying $17 Million toward players not on the roster in 2010.
2010: $17,590,000
Juan Pierre: $7,000,000
Andruw Jones: $3,200,000 (deferred salary)
Nomar Garciaparra: $1,125,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Jason Schmidt: $2,625,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Will Ohman: $200,000 (option buyout)
Orlando Hudson: $$1,440,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Randy Wolf: $2,000,000
Possible Players Acquired, with scouting reports by Baseball HQ:
12. Jon Link RHP.....26.....2005 (26) Virginia Commonwealth by San Diego Padres
Team (LG) W-L ERA IP CMD K/9 oppBAStrengths: Plus 88-94 MPH fastball. Hard slider. Changeup. Pitch movement.
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Charlotte (IL) 1-2 3.99 56.1 2.4 10.5 256
MLE 1-2 5.67 56.1 2.0 9.2 292
Weaknesses: LHH. FB command. Control. Inconsistent slider.
Comments: Powerful reliever has closing experience and could evolve into legitimate late-innings option in Majors. Possesses three average to above average offerings with sinker, SL, and CU. Erratic mechanics and release point hinder control and needs to set up piches better.
2010 MLB Role: Short reliever
Potential Rating: 7B
14. John Ely RHP.....23.....2007 (3) Miami-OH
Team (LG) W-L ERA IP CMD K/9 oppBAStrengths: Plus curveball. 87-92 MPH fastball. Groundballer. Strong frame. Aggressiveness. Deception.
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Birmingham (SL) 14-2 2.82 156.1 2.5 7.2 241
MLE 14-2 3.86 156.1 2.0 6.2 274
Weaknesses: Changeup. Stiff arm action. Effort in delivery.
Comments: Short and strong pitcher with fringe-average velocity, but keeps hitters off-balance with sinking changeup. Complements moving fastball with plus curveball and mixes pitches well. Commands plate and induces groundballs, but doesn't dominate. Effort in delivery may lead to durability issues.
2010 MLB Role: Middle reliever
Potential Rating: 7C
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So we shall see
endless conjecture and then the two players will be so meaningless that the fact we wasted our time guessing on who they might be would seem to suggest we had better things to do.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sign Bedard,
and see if the Mets want to eat 90% of Castillo’s deal, otherwise have DeWitt and other in house guys battle it out. 5 starter to Elbert, and call it a day.
mattkemp27
Everybody knows I’m gonna miss my dog J Pizzel. He taught me alot of things about the game, especially taught me how 2 stay n BeastMode!!!!
From ESPN
The Dodgers will select two pitching prospects from a list furnished by the White Sox, a source told ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. The names on the list are all pitchers who could reach the big leagues by 2010, the source said.
Have to admit
I’m pleasantly surprised if they get these two pitchers.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Well not really
but the fact he can play 2nd would make him quite useful as a fourth outfielder, switch hitter, and can play 2nd.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Not that his departure wasn’t ill-advised or at least ill-planned
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
I still miss seeing “DYoung” in the box score.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 15, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Crazy amount of money for Holliday isnt’ it?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Every Cardinal fan must think of Holliday around this time of the season when they the Nutcracker Suite.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Dec 15, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Its crazy that he has not accepted! Thinking they might get more from the Yanks maybe? He better get on that before it gets pulled. Man is Boras one greedy bastard
Two player are going to gobble up their payrolll
If we yield now, all is over; but if we fight, there is yet a hope that we may stand upright
So..............
Do the Dodgers stay with Repko/Paul as the fourth outfielders or pursue the likes of Gomes?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I would love Gomes, but I think they go with one or two of Repko, Paul instead
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I just don't think we have the money
to go after Gomes with such glaring holes elsewhere.
Not sure if mentioned -
but ESPN is saying the AGon to Boston talks are back on.
Adding Lackey to Beckett, Lester, Dice K, and A Gon to the lineup – borderline unfair
Some of us were speculating yesterday
that the Cameron signing was a precursor to the Red Sox trying to package Buchholz, Ellsbury and others for AGon
And honestly that might be why Boras and Holliday didn't jump all over the Cards' offer
because if that gets done, the Yankees reaction might be to offer Holliday something big.
This is my own wild speculation of course. But if it happens, you heard it here first hahah
From the L.A. Times article on Pierre being traded.
What a joke. Dodgers pay the white sox to take Pierre? Didn’t Pierre hit over 300 stole bases and played good defense. MAybe he was unhappy but they need him, more than you think. Manny will not play 160 games, he sucked after the suspension. Manny can’t take steriods, so he will lose his bat speed and power. We are stuck with a 250 batter hitting 20 homers and getting paid 20 million. Is that better than paying Juan 9 million for batting 300 and 30 stolen bases. This sucks
Posted by: cam | December 15, 2009 at 08:43 AM
That's why Jon Weisman is needed at the LAT
His best quote in his Dodger Thoughts story is this:
Let me emphasize this point: Pierre has never in his career had a season as good as Ramirez had in 2009
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Well
that quote is like comparing apples with oranges. Both players do two different things, which is obvious. I don’t understand the constant need for writers and bloggers to remind themselves of this.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 15, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
It points out the obvious
and comes off as condescending. To me.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 15, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
It needs to be stated because there are many fans and writers who think Juan Pierre is better than Manny Ramirez.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Tell me you giggled when you typed that
by Julio Nievas on Dec 15, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I think that's a stretch
The vast majority knows Manny is the better player. There is a minority who thinks the Dodgers should play Juan instead of Manny, but more because some type of fake moral outrage than because of ability.
true, but that doesn't mean Jon Weisman's comment is necessarily true
Plus, for someone who is normally good about putting things in perspective, the relatively small number of people that talk about how Pierre should play instead of Manny seems to really irk him. (There are people disappointed with Manny, myself included, but the majority of people still think Manny should be in left field)
But getting to the comment itself, in addition to comparing apples and oranges, it is VERY debatable whether Pierre EVER had a season as good as Manny’s 2009. People have different measurements of what makes someone a “good” player than they used to just 15 years ago, and Juan Pierre, by most measures, doesn’t fit the newer definition. But still- let’s not forget that this is a guy who finished 10th in MVP voting in 2003, and was instrumental in helping his team win a World Championship. I’m not saying this to argue JP over Manny- I’m just addressing Jon’s comment, if it’s to be taken 100% literally (which I’m sure is how he meant it).
I have not been irked by anything today.
But I do think there are enough people out there who prefer Pierre over Manny that I don’t see why I can’t say the opposite. It might not be a majority, but it’s far from an insignificant number.
I don’t see how comparing the two top left fielders from the 2009 Dodgers is comparing apples and oranges.
That's Actually A Good Thing about Today that I hadn't Thought about
I might actually be able to read the comments to Dodger Thoughts now.
Previously it irked me how it was accepted dogma that Juan Pierre was absolutely terrible and should not be playing major league baseball and that any attempt that someone made to say they like Juan Pierre was instantly castigated by hating throngs. It was like an mention of Juan Pierre was positive somehow challenged the central dogma. That changed a bit after May, but I thought it to be a detriment to many of the good writings and humor there.
As a longtime fellow reader and commenter at Dodger Thoughts, I think you are being way too sensitive in this regard.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
You Could Be Right or I Could Just Rely on Swearing A Lot
Its a lot easier to “clense” your feelings and move on on this blog because of the “literary” freedom :)
There is plenty of context in Jon’s article to remove any hint of condescension.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't say the whole article was condescending.
Just those parts. I think a lot of what people like about Pierre over Manny is the whole PED suspension thing and their perception of Pierre being a good guy. While Manny Ramirez will forever be the better player, most fans are going to prefer Pierre over Manny on morality grounds. As a fan, I can respect that viewpoint. Anyway, I am glad for the trade.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 15, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Both players do two different things, which is obvious
But both players play LF. So the decision to play one or the other needs to be made, so management needs to compare them.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
I guess comparing a HOF player
with a grinder type of player seems like too easy of a comparison. I think even your average Joe fan understands that Manny Ramirez is an elite player. If Ned Colletti felt there was more value in Pierre, than it would be a problem.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 15, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Somebody give that guy a tissue
I rather have a guy who can supply runs and give me an OPS above .900 than a dude who regularly bats with an ops of .700
by Julio Nievas on Dec 15, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
That poster just doesn't get it.
If we yield now, all is over; but if we fight, there is yet a hope that we may stand upright
Keith Law – great stuff on LA (pretty negative though) from our local ESPN yesterday. Can access it through his twitter – http://twitter.com/keithlaw
John Ely
BHQ has his changeup as his weakness, yet, BA has his changeup as the best of the farm system. Hm.
yeah, like I said Sunday
I like Pierre more than most around here, but I am all for this if it really means an increased chance in locking one or two of the “kids” up- and it will certainly help if those two players to be named later actually do something positive at the major league level! We shall see…
Every time I see the way the payroll has been butchered I want to stab Ned in the face.
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Disclaimer, I am in the camp that Rosenthal and Morosi throw shit against the wall to see if it sticks, but still...
Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports says there’s no guarantee the Dodgers will spend the money they saved in the Juan Pierre deal.
I can almost guarantee it was already spent
Andruw Jones: $3,200,000 (deferred salary)
Nomar Garciaparra: $1,125,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Jason Schmidt: $2,625,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Will Ohman: $200,000 (option buyout)
Orlando Hudson: $$1,440,000 (deferred signing bonus)
Randy Wolf: $2,000,000
This was more a “get me through to May” deal. In return Colletti gets to sign one vet.
It seems Jon Link could be a bullpen weapon if he can harness his control.
We also picked up two potential relievers off the rule 5. I wonder if we are just stockpiling hard throwing relievers (which is never a bad idea) or if this is a precursor to trading some of our existing bullpen…
Blast
Unfortunately, I can’t edit that fanpost from the mobile. Or at least I’m not going to try w/o having access to multiple windows. At least I have 3G coverage here. But Dreifort will be getting a raise now.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 15, 2009 2:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions
MSTI
posted that before the two prospects were finalized, they wondered if one of them would be Justin Fuller. LOL!























