The "Rock" should roll into the HOF
by Phil Gurnee on Dec 17, 2009 12:53 PM PST
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My favorite writer Joe Posnanski is at it again making the case for Tim Raines as a HOF. Having watched Tim Raines play baseball and Bert Blyleven thow a baseball I'm befuddled by the lack of respect HOF voters have had for their talents up to now. Granted on base skills are still not appreciated by those who vote for the HOF but you'd think being the greatest stolen base threat percentage wise in baseball history would resonate with the HOF voters. Given how quick they have been to decry the careers of the those tainted with steroid use you would think a player from the pre steroid era who put up numbers eerily similar to first ballot Tony Gwynn would resonate with the HOF voters. You'd think, but you'd be wrong so far.
1. Tim Raines, 808 steals, 84.6%
2. Willie Wilson, 668 steals, 83.4%
3. Davey Lopes, 557 steals, 83.0%
4. Joe Morgan, 689 steals, 81.0%
5. Vince Coleman, 752 steals, 80.9%
6. Rickey Henderson, 1,406 steals, 80.8%
7. Ozzie Smith, 580 steals, 79.7%
8. Kenny Lofton , 622 steals, 79.5%
9. Paul Molitor, 504 steals, 79.5%
10. Luis Aparicio, 506 steals, 78.8%
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Homewood, Ill., product John Ely appears to be one of the two players to be named later in the trade that sent Juan Pierre and $10.5 million from the Los Angeles Dodgers to the Chicago White Sox.
The Dodgers will choose two of three prospects the White Sox offered in the trade sometime before the first of the year, according to a Major League Baseball official with knowledge of the deal.
Tough news on Henry
Back in 8th grade we had a guy who was our biggest athlete, already stood about 6’2, thick, muscular, who was thrown out of the back of a pickup. Luckily he survived but they had to put a steel plate in his head and that was the end of contact sports for him.
Hard to picture a million dollar athlete in his 20’s riding in the back of a pickup these days.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
i dont understand how he fell out though...
was he standing up? did the driver press the brakes very hard? make a wide turn? how did he fall out?
NRIs
I haven’t seen all the details yet of all the deals, but I did find this regarding Angel Berroa’s minor league contract, per SI:
If added to the 40-man roster, he would get a split contract calling for salaries of $600,000 in the majors and $81,000 in the minors.
I’ll update the minor league deals sheet shortly.
This
is how siblings cause problems within a family. I come from a family of four brothers and was a huge instigator. You will not bring me into this no win fray.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
So you’re confirming Eric’s not your favorite writer? :)
by KellyStephen on Dec 17, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
I am not a big basketball fan
but I like when the Lakers and Clippers do well. So I just wanted to say that after seeing Kobe Bryant hit it big once again last night, it is something to remember. I don’t like the guy personally, but once he is retired, it may be a long time or never before a guy plays basketball like he does in this city. It is something to be able to watch an athlete like he is perform. Just extraordinary.
Slightly more in PA incentives
for Carroll than previously thought, per ESPN/AP:
[Carroll’s agent Jonathan] Maurer said the deal includes incentives up to $525,000 a year based on at least 275 plate appearances
We’re breaking the bank for Carroll!
It’s not going to help our pursuit of Joe Mauer next, that’s for sure. :)
275 is a good number for the dodgers...
NO way he reaches that unless dewtt isucks
I could see Carroll starting 60-70 games between 2B and 3B without DeWitt sucking, especially if Blake gets hurt or is rested more, but yeah, 275 is a good enough floor for the Dodgers.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Just pure speculation by me
But here is how the incentives might be structured:
$50k for 275 PA
$50k for 300 PA
$50k for 325 PA
$50k for 350 PA
$50k for 375 PA
$50k for 400 PA
$50k for 425 PA
$50k for 450 PA
$50k for 475 PA
$75k for 500 PA
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Lessee... $575,000... divided by...
hmm…
OK, I think the contract should be structured at $739 for every plate appearance, starting at #275, up to a makimum of $575,000 / 700 PA.
Why $739?
Er… it’s Jamey’s lucky number.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
We could have another Turk Wendell on our hands. He might want $739.99 for each PA :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, I'm bad at arithmetic.
That should be $1,352 per plate appearance.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Alternate reality 2012 Dodgers:
C Mauer
1B Pujols
2B DeJesus
3B DeWitt
SS Gordon
LF Lambo
CF Kemp
RF Ethier
King Felix
Kershaw
Withrow
Billingsley
Elbert
lol at dejesus..
man is this guy overrated here on this blog.. all his value ties into taking a walk and when mlb pitchers find out the man has no power AT ALL, they will throw him pitches in the strike zone all day…
Well, since the Dodgers would be spending like $200MM on a slugging first baseman and catcher
It might not be a bad idea to let DeJesus play the 2B spot.
by Michael White on Dec 17, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Ha
I didn’t even see him down there.
Ya, that team would be fun.
by Michael White on Dec 17, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Who Owns the Alternate Reality Dodgers?
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 17, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
C Mauer – $25 million
1B Pujols – $30 million
2B DeJesus – $400,000
3B DeWitt – $3 million
SS Gordon – $400,000
LF Lambo – $400,000
CF Kemp – $10 million
RF Ethier – $12 million
King Felix – $23 million
Kershaw – $7 million
Withrow – $400,000
Billingsley – $10 million
Elbert – $3 million
Payroll: $124,600,000
Still has to build a bench and bullpen.
mauer 30 mill
pujols 35..
how is pujols not gonna be number 1 paid in mlb.. you gotta give him more then a-rod..
and same with king felix.. he needs more then 25 mill..
I can't believe that team is only 24.6 MM higher in payroll than last years.
Well I guess maybe $40 MM more if you include bullpen and bench. I mean shit, the Phillies have $140 MM to spend
Kershaw would only be his in first year of arbitration, and Billingsley would be in his last year of arbitration. Elbert is also a bit low since I put him at his first year of arbitration.
Im not saying that I can't believe its possible
I’m saying look at whats possible if you have a GM that makes all the right decisions!!
LOLLL
17 year old girl is pitching in the arizona winter league!!! throws a 50 mph knuckle ball
Not sure what's LOL here
17 years old?
Girl?
50mph knuckle ball?
Arizona Winter League?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
what is so LOL
about the arizona winter league?
Answer the question with a question
What’s so LOL about a 17-year-old girl pitching?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
huh?
that is funny a 17 year old GIRL who stand 5’1 trying to get signed by a pro team.. HAHAHA
1946 blog comment
There is a dark skinned fellow playing with Montreal LOL
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 3:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, OK.
First of all, “let’s all laugh at the girl” is pretty small.
Second, from a five-second read on her Wikipedia page, she’s already a pro. She plays for the Japanese Independent League. Not the big leagues in Japan, but she did pitch an inning against the heart of the Hiroshima Carp — big league — lineup. She got a foul out to catcher, allowed a double and a single, then got a double play. This, I’ll add, is from the quickest of quick web searches.
Third, maybe I’m wrong about this, but it sure seems like most of the people seeking jobs in the Arizona Winter League have big-league dreams that are just as unlikely to be realized as this woman’s. But somehow they’re different because they’re male?
Last, and most importantly, regardless of this girl’s chances to make the US major leagues, I firmly believe that — are you a young guy? — in your lifetime, you will see a female pro baseball player. Even if she isn’t a star*, the 25th guy on the roster — the Adam Hyzdus and Brooks Kieschnicks of the world — are so fungible that I have to believe that somewhere out there among 3 billion women is one with the talent and skill to play major league baseball.
*And I want to note that I’m not ruling this out.
What’s more is that this is exactly the kind of thing teams should be looking for. Yeah, it’s unlikely that a girl 5’1" with a 50-mph knuckler could make it. But all that matters is if she can get people out. Why not see if she can? What do they have to lose?
Or maybe your’e right. Maybe we should just mock her. Look at the girl trying to play with the boys. LOL.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah yeah yeah
rememeber the girl who struck out the heart of the yankees order in 1920.. babe ruth and lou gerigh…
Well, I'm convinced.
Now I see it. You’re right, I’m wrong.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
no..
there is no right and there is no wrong..
oh i see.. you are very sensative..
It’s no big deal if you think a woman will never play ball at the highest level. But it’s better if you explain your reasoning. For example, they don’t have the arm strength to compete with the best players in the world.
I met the woman
who went the furthest in American pro ball. I think she was a 2B. Great range, solid arm, but couldn’t hit enough. I think she topped out at AA.
Here's a big -- maybe the biggest -- reason why I might be wrong
If you’re a talented girl in middle school, you get shuttled into softball. And why wouldn’t you? If you develop, you can get to the very top of your sport. You can go to college for free on a scholarship – a free education. Maybe you’ll go to the Olympics. Plus, you’re twelve, thirteen years old — generally you’ll do what adults tell you to do.
To succeed in baseball, the girl will have to say to hell with all that. She will have to go from being a star on her team to just another player. She will have to watch as her teammates and opponents get bigger and stronger than she is. She will have to endure taunts. And even if she gets through all that and still develops her skills, she will be up against an old-school baseball mentality that still can’t quite see fit to give Kim Ng a GM job.
It’s asking a lot of a 12-year-old to be Jackie Robinson. And really, that’s where it will have to start — if not earlier.
But if, say, Serena Williams had decided that hardball was her game… all I’m saying is, you be the one to tell the young Serena that she’s not gonna make it.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There has already been a professional woman hockey player
She was a goalie
by Michael White on Dec 18, 2009 6:25 AM PST up reply actions
She played in two preseason games.
Never made it into a real NHL game. Unless there is someone besides Manon Rheaume that you are referring to?
You are absolutely right
Baseball is the one sport where fat out of shape fat guys can still excel.
Same with scrawny short guys.
Skill can make ups for strength to a point, and I have no doubt it will eventually happen.
Especially if you get one of those high testosterone models who can play baseball.
Probably, unless he steps back from his contract demands ($11m+ per year)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
The real question is
will Nick Johnson stay healthy enough to DH for a full season?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Yankee starters
per Cot’s Baseball Contracts (one of the best websites ever):
2010 Salaries
C – Posada: $13.1m
1B – Tex: $20m
2B – Cano: $9m
3B – A-Rod: $34m (includes $2m signing bonus that was spread out)
SS – Jeter: $21m
LF – Melky: arbitration (probably $2.25m or so)
CF – Granderson: $5.5m
RF – Swisher: $6.75m
DH – Johnson: $5.5m
Total – $117.1m
And that’s just for the lineup! The Dodger outfield will be more expensive though, so hah! :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
they are going to settle for melky in left??
i think they should sign someone who offers a little more on offense to be their left fielder..
if they sign a bay or holliday or even someone lesser like damon.. wow imagine that… damon swisher or cano would be their 9th place hitter…wow what a lineup
Just who they have now. I have no idea who they will sign
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
That lineup
could throw Ila Borders into left field and have enough offense.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Harang hang up?
Tim Brown of Yahoo reports:
As for a possible Harang deal between Dodgers and Reds, said a source from one of the clubs: “Not happening.”
its not happenining
until it happens. Dodgers always deny deny deny until its official.
True
Plus, maybe Tim Brown asked the nameless team official a question like “How would you describe my outfit, if we were in the 1970s?”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
If he is acquired, I can just imagine the 12-31 W-L over the last two years inspiring Plaschke into quite the Harang harangue.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I expect T.J. Simers in particular to have a field day with the 12-31 record.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
harang
I think harang would be a solid move. He’s been a pretty decent workhorse besides last year. If he’s over some of his injuries, i like the move.
Yeah, I like him too. Wasn’t last year just appendicitis that shut him down? I’m OK with that going forward.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yes it was. As Rob Neyer wrote:
it’s highly unlikely that he’ll have another appendix removed
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
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