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The Yankees’ regular payroll—using 2009 salaries and prorated shares of signing bonuses—finished at $220 million. That was a drop of $2.5 million from 2008 but more than $77.8 million higher than any other team—a gap larger than the payrolls of the bottom 11 clubs.

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how does this get distributed? i always hear defenders of the current situation saying that certain teams are getting free money from Luxury Tax and not spending it.

I agree that teams should be required to spend that money on salary or give it back, but I’m just curious as to how it gets distributed. In the grand scheme of MLB, 25 million isn’t a ton of money, especially if its thinned out between teams – and as far as I understand nobody else is paying any Luxury Tax this year. Correct?

by bearface on Dec 22, 2009 8:39 AM PST reply actions  

According to article

no one else is paying luxury tax this year. The link below gives a detailed lowdown on how the luxury tax is distributed.
http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3860:yankees-hit-with-luxury-tax-bill-of-nearly-26-million&catid=30:mlb-news&Itemid=42

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

It's fun to read the comments on MLBTR

A lot of those people are morons. One person said that “nobody thinks [Derek Lowe] is an AL East pitcher.” I guess that guy never saw Lowe pitch until after 2004.

My mouth's bleedin', Burt! My mouth's bleedin'!

by Mr. LA Sports Fan on Dec 22, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

Do you think he can be an effective AL East pitcher

at his current age? I don’t.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

same with me...

no way he can do it anymore… he could barely pitch in the nl last year

by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I think if you don't have to face The Yankees

then most top-tier guys will do ok in the AL East. I think if you do have to face the Yankees, then unless your name is Josh Beckett, Cliff Lee, or Roy Halladay then you’re not going to be all that effective.

by bearface on Dec 22, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

right

but just as an example.

Andy Pettite had a 4.14 ERA this year and was considered a success in that division. Even though Lowe had a tough year this year – I think you put him on the Yankees, as a ground ball pitcher he can keep his ERA in that area.

by bearface on Dec 22, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I was fascinated by the Loney article

Mostly because it strikes the exact note I’ve been trying to argue: that Loney’s production is not now a problem and will not be a problem in 2010, no matter how he hits, but may be a problem in 2011 and going forward; still, you don’t give up on a guy with his pedigree easily, lightly, or for nothing.

My question is: does the Karros comp help or hurt Loney’s case? Yes, there’s the 145 OPS+ from ‘95, but his production in ’96 and ’97 left a lot to be desired. Looking back on it, it sure seems like the Dodgers kept waiting around for him to put up another 1995. They’d get it in 1999… But I suppose that the Karros lesson for the Dodgers was long-term deal, not the arb years. 1995 was certainly worth 1996, and then, how do you determine, in the 1996 offseason, if ’95 was a breakout followed by a down year or a fluke followed by true level?

What did Youkilis/LaRoche get in their 2nd and 3rd arb years? What is Jacobs likely to get this year? What kind of production will Loney have to put up to be worth it — 800 OPS? 850?

Also, as much as I love seeing Youkilis’s name there… I’ll note that in addition to his ability to play 3rd base, which gives him value over Loney, Youkilis (a) had two seasons of about 110 OPS+ going into his arb years, and if Loney had done that, nobody would be talking about him, and (b) Youkilis became YOUKILIS at age 29, which I believe was his second arb year; Loney will be a free agent at age 29. I know you’re not really comparing Loney to Youkilis — I’m just pointing stuff out.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2009 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

future arb years

LaRoche
arb 2: $5m
arb 3: $7.05m

Youkilis
arb 2: $6m
arb 3: $9.125m
He signed a 4/$41.25m extension plus an option which bought out two and potentially three years of FA

I don’t expect Jacobs to get much in 2010 because he really cratered in KC.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

IF/OF 6 Hairston $2,250,000
OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
C 18 Treanor $850,000
IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 37 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$112,162,432

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Players on 40-man roster used as roster
fillers until moves are made.

Current 40-man roster count: 40
(not including Belisario)

2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
27
61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
60 Matt Chico lhp
29
35 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
62 Luis Cruz ss/2b 28
33 Josh Fields 3b 29
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

*Age on June 30, 2012

NRI count: 19

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