Dawning of a new age and it ain't Aquarius folks.
While some writers are just coming to grips with the Dodger payroll situation, and blaming it on the divorce, if you have been reading TBLA since the summer of 2008 you know this is not all about the divorce. As dire as the financial situation has looked this fall, with the following news, it is about to get even dire.
1. The Dodgers signed Jamey Carroll to a two year, four Million dollar deal. Yet they can't even afford to pay the 25th player on the team his full two million. Once again they are deferring money, but this time to a nickel and dime player by major league salary standards.
2. The great www.dodgerdivorce.com website writes about how the actual divorce proceedings are taking a toll on Frank's finances to the tune of $700,000 in the month of November alone. When someone asks how the divorce can impact the Dodgers this might be your answer. It is unclear if Frank is footing this bill based on his income from the Dodgers or if the Dodgers themselves are footing some of this. Either way, you can see why Frank is saying NO to any additional spending in 2010.
3. To accentuate the fact the Dodgers will not be adding payroll they apparently could add Aaron Harang by simply moving Sherrill's expected $4.3M 2010 contract for Harang's. However, the Dodgers don't have the money to add the difference in salary between Harang and Sherrill, so prospects would need to be headed the Reds way for them to eat the difference in the 2010 salary. That is right, Ohio baseball teams are again willing to eat salary to steal away Los Angeles Dodgers prospects from the team with the number one attendance figures in the NL. Luckily this deal may be dead but even still, expect something similar to happen. The Dodgers have established the pattern of selling prospects for salary relief and I expect that pattern to continue until Frank once again has money or we have run out of tradeable prospects.
The Dodgers finances might be facing the perfect storm.
1. Over leveraged debt payment where the plan has gone askew and the revenues did not keep pace thus resulting in the 20 Million drop in salary from opening day 2008 to opening day 2009.
2. Divorce proceeding are going to bleed the Dodgers or Frank dry for the next few months and aren't they the same thing? If these numbers from Nov - May hold steady you are looking at $4.2 Million in legal fees. According to court documents filed by Frank, he has little liquid assets, so how is he paying for these legal fees?
3. Robbing Paul to pay Peter, the deferred contracts that allowed the Dodgers some wiggle room in 2009, and other bad contracts, are coming home to roost as the Dodgers will be paying $14 Million to players no longer on the roster in 2010. Using simple math, if the Dodgers end up with a 100 Million dollar payroll, roughly 14% of the payroll will be paid out to players no longer on the team. Other teams may be doing deferred contracts but no one is doing it like the Dodgers. Our effective payroll is more like $86 Million or about $54 Million less then the team we are chasing. It will only get worse in 2011 when we start paying for Manny as he DH''s for another team.
4.More robbing Paul to pay Peter, selling prospects for salary relief. This might easily have the largest future impact on the club. Many of you may not want to hear this again but would you rather be paying Russell Martin $6 Million for an OPS of .700 - .750 or Carlos Santana $400,000 for an OPS of 800-850. These are just projections, but Baseball HQ's latest projection for 2010 has one Carlos Santana with a projected OPS in 2010 of .268/.388/.485. Would you rather be paying Jamey Carroll Two Million dollars for an OPS production of .636? This is right .636, for some reason 36 year old light hitting infielders don't age well. Go Figure. Or pay Tony Abreu $400,000 to put up a these numbers as projected by Baseball HQ .299/.329/.470. Of course that is based on Tony playing in Arizona but still, you'd have a top flight defensive 2nd baseman, switch hitter with some pop, playing for the minimum. When you don't have money it seems even stranger to me to be selling your cost effective assets, but that is what short term thinking will get you.
The saddest part of this whole thing is that the Dodgers have a great core of young cheap players who over the next two years could be an impact team if the Dodgers were not facing this financial crisis. As it is this core can keep the Dodgers competitive but oh what could have been with some forward thinking, or the money you'd expect a franchise like the Dodgers to be able to spend. The Dodgers could easily have matched up with the Indians for Cliff Lee last summer if they had been willing to take on salary. The reason the Indians want more, and every team wants more is because we won't take on a full salary. The Dodgers should be the team who says I'll give you this guy, this guy, and Five Million to take the son of a bitch Cliff Lee off your hands. Instead we are the team who says, I'll give this guy, this guy, this guy, and this guy, if you will pay a part of his salary.
This is our current situation. I'm out of positives. I'm disgusted. Today I fear and I loathe what the McCourts have done and will do. This team will still win but we now look at every deal the way the KC Royal fans look at every deal. No mistakes can be allowed anymore, because we don't have the wherewithal to sweep those mistakes under the mat. You think I want to look at a Jamey Carroll deal in detail? I don't, we shouldn't care if the Dodgers paid value for Carroll, but we have to because 2 Million spent on Carroll is 2 Million less that we have to spend on a fourth starter. Or that 2 Million could be the difference between keeping Elbert or trading Elbert when we need a team to eat salary.
I understand that Frank is having financial troubles, and I'd be very receptive to his troubles if he hadn't brought them on himself, or if he'd quit selling our future in the form of deferred payments or prospects to pay for his current dreams. If you can't afford the players, then quit buying them. Use the prospects, don't sell them. Wait out the FA period, look for the bargains. You have no money, start acting like it and quit pretending your Eli Broad when you are nothing more then an overextended American citizen like the rest of us.
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Nice post
Pretty much sums up my feelings about the situation.
Tweet from Jon Weisman
of Dodger Thoughts:
@truebluela I really have to get it together and write something like that at some point. Good job
Nice
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
retweeted this myself
I think a lot of fans are going to be surprised and thoroughly disappointed when they find out how bad this situation really is.
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Completely Agree
A extremely young, cheap core like Loney-Martin-Kemp-Ethier-Bills-Kershaw-Broxton just doesn’t come around all at once. The Dodgers should have plenty of payroll to add pieces to that core to win multiple WSs.
by the big grabowski on Dec 22, 2009 10:49 AM PST reply actions
Now that the Yankee’s have acquired another front line starter, the Dodgers should consider grabbing Gaudin to be the bargain basement 4th starter. He’s either quite good or quite bad, just have Haeger warming up for his bad days and get him out quick but when he’s on, he’s very very good. For some reason he was also quite effective in Colorado this year.
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This is a very good summation
It just sucks being hamstrung to the point of not being able to take advantage of potential deals/bargains.
Get draft picks for Wolf and/or Hudson? Nope, we can’t take that chance because we can’t afford any chance of having a good player return on a non-guaranteed, one year contract.
Swoop in to get Harang from the payroll-shedding Reds, adding $6-8m or so to the payroll while flawed starters are getting signed for $7.5m per year? Nope, we can’t afford to add much in payroll, so we’ll deplete our farm system once more by liquidating a prospect or two.
I really didn’t mind the Carroll deal, except for the second year, but I, like Phil, was taken aback when I saw the structure was backloaded ($1.35m in 2010, $2.5m in 2011). A move like that probably doesn’t have much of a ripple, but it is eyebrow-raising nonetheless.
Wolf
The thing I don’t understand about not offering Wolf arbitration is that it didn’t seem like a risk to me. Seems like there was almost zero chance he would take a one year deal when he could get multiple years in free agency.
by the big grabowski on Dec 22, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
it's worse than that
Frank probably doesn’t want to pay for the DRAFT PICKS! There’s nothing to understand- Frank is broke, and will pinch every penny possible, so long as he gets to stand next to Pete Carroll on the USC sidelines. In fact, that’s probably why the Dodgers gave Jamey a two year contract- Frank thought they were related, and figured this would give him more access tot he USC sidelines! >:-(
Eyebrow-raising or sickening?
I feel like McC should have to be forced to sell right now. Forget waiting until after the divorce. Forget seeing if there is an agreement where he can keep the team. Get us an owner who is solvent. Right. Now.
(and yes, I do realize that is wishful thinking and not realistic, but nonetheless, felt the need to rant)
The Carroll payout structure is eyebrow-raising.
The pattern is sickening.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Look, I don't mind the selling of farm pieces
Because you either sell them when they have value (if you don’t have plans to use them yourselves) or you risk being faced with the Andy Martes of the world.
On the otherhand, I agree with what Phil said. While I don’t necessarily believe that an owner should spend more than he is taking in, I do think that if management was more transparent with their situation (and that in itself is a pipedream), then we would know exactly what the financial situation is all about.
Trading prospects
is different then selling prospects. When you trade a prospect you hope to get full value in return. When you sell a prospect you only get salary relief. You should know the difference.
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Don't you think they would have loved to sell
Orenduff or Greg Miller or even Preston Mattingly. Like it or not, players are the team’s only assets and sometimes that asset can only be measured in cash value.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 22, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Come on
cherry picking prospects who failed can easily be countered by saying they are happy as hell they did not sell Loney, Martin, Kemp, Broxton, Kershaw, or Billingsley. The one man they did sell might have more future value then any of those players except Kemp.
BH – teams don’t sell prospects. It is just not common. Until we started in the summer of 2008 I don’t think you can find me one instance of the Dodgers selling a prospect in a major league deal. By that I mean, moving a prospect for salary relief.
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I will say this though
Orlando Hudson’s pride might have ultimately won out but it is sure quiet for him in terms of anyone signing him to make more than what he made last year (and I mean before incentives).
Glut of 2nd baseman
and don’t think that Torre benching him for Belliard has not had general managers scratching their heads and wondering what Joe knew that they don’t.
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Don't really understand this Morrow trade right now.
MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian tweets that minor league outfielder Johermyn Chavez will go to the Mariners in the trade. Chavez, who turns 21 next month, hit .283/.346/.474 last year in A ball.
why not
seattle probably think morrow cant last in the rotation which is what i also think, so they traded him for a really filthy reliever and a potentially great outfielder
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Per Baseball HQ
League has stuff for larger role …Best BPV in the 2009 Blue Jays bullpen? Not Frasor, nor Downs, rather Brandon League (RHP, TOR). For the second year in a row, League couldn’t get the results to match his lofty peripherals:
Year IP ERA xERA Ctl Dom Cmd hr/9 hr/f h%/s% GB% BPV
==== == == == = = = == == === = =
2006* 96 2.80 2.68 2.3 6.2 2.6 0.3 7% 33/78 73 99
2007--only 12 IP due to shoulder and oblique injuries———-
2008* 67 3.78 2.98 3.5 6.7 1.9 0.7 17% 32/75 67 70
2009 75 4.58 2.89 2.5 9.2 3.6 1.0 15% 32/65 56 130
*includes MELE
With this Ctl/Dom/Cmd trend, it’s only a matter of time. Among the reasons to sign up now:
* First, his xERA has lived below the 3.00 threshold for the past two seasons.
* Second, he’s suffered through unfortunate h%/s% combination over the same period. As they stabilize, League’s ERA will go down.
* Third, he’s had two straight seasons of unreasonable hr/f rates piling on.
* Fourth, notice the perfectly normal hr/9 rates of 2008 and 2009. An elite GB% has kept his ERA from being worse.
* Fifth, he’s 27 and just entering his prime, and his skills indicators—Ctl, Dom, Cmd, BPV—couldn’t have stronger trends or a better history (including a 2009 2H of 4.3 Cmd and 156 BPV).
Though Frasor and Downs will likely get the first shot at Blue Jays saves in 2010, they’ll also get the bulk of the pre-season hype. League, on the other hand, has the best peripherals and will come at the cheapest price. Buy skills.
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
hes filthy
96 mph fastball with one of the best changeups in the mlb with a 62 percent GB rate striking out 9 per 9 innings… what else would you want from your pitcher?
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Number 9 ranked BlueJay Prospect per Baseball HQ:
9. Johermyn Chavez OF…..21….R/R…..2004 FA (Venezuala)
Team (LG) AB AVG OBP SLG HR SB Eye
==== = = = === == == ====
Lansing (MWL) 508 283 346 474 21 10 0.29
Strengths: Plus bat speed/power/BA ability. Average arm. Average speed.
Weaknesses: Contact-hitting. Pull-conscious. Strike zone judgment. Range.
Comments: Athletic outfielder repeated Low-A and finished second in MWL in HR due to plus bat speed. Can hit for BA despite drawing few walks and striking out frequently. Can be pull-conscious and needs to recognize breaking balls better. Potential to be average defender, but only has an average arm with average speed.
MLB Debut: 2012
Potential Rating: 8D
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
21 homers in the mwl
thats a huge accomplishment..
this guy has potential to be a grreat player..
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a monster bat. A 20-year-old who rakes in the Midwest League? Ridiculous potential.
by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
He'd be like our
best offensive prospect wouldn’t he?
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I have a feeling Lambo will be awesome in his repeat of AA. He is only a few months older than this guy.
by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
If Ned somehow trades Lambo, we’re screwed for many years with zero impact bats close to the majors.
by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
i cant wait to see how robinson does next year in AA
i think he will be great.. and rise to top 5 dodger prospect..
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Needs to stick in CF and strikeout less. If he can accomplish that, then we might see him in 2011.
by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
i dont see why he cant stick in CF
i think hes a CF long term..
the only issue with him is Ks… get those Ks down and hes a Top 100 prospect in mlb..
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Hard to describe
Lambo as an impact bat at the moment.
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Only the beginning
by the end he was no big deal when compared to his peers and the offensive setting of the league.
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
true..
he started out blazing like he usually always does…
and then he just cools down all the way back to the pack..
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Dave over at USS Mariner apparently is not a fan of the deal.
“Chavez is Toronto’s version of Greg Halman – toolsy RH outfielder with power and terrible plate discipline, hit well repeating low-A ball as a 20-year-old last year. Upside, sure, but a long way from the majors and lots of flaws. If true, this is the first deal Jack has made that I truly dislike. Full analysis when its official.”
by the big grabowski on Dec 22, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
yuyp..
everyone thinks jack got fleeced on this one.. but i disagree..
morrow is a reliever not a starter… he has BIG time durability problems and BIG time command problems..
now you get league who is probably as good as a rleiever and a very good prospect in chavez… not a bad deal
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Wish we could
have traded Sherrill and Kyle Russell for Morrow.
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
would you have done
belisario and trayvon robinson for morrow?
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
No
I’m not sold on him but I would have gambled Sherrills contract and Kyle Russell but not a shut down relief pitcher and a possible future CF.
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
well isnt
league and chavez
a shut down relief pitcher and a possible future CF.
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
I never thought the Dodgers would be one of
those salary dump teams. Thank you MLB for allowing a broke owner to buy the Dodgers in the first place and now use it towards paying his own extensive debts. It’s sickening to me that the Dodgers could do so well at the gate and the fans will see a negative return on their investment for 2010.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
For Matthewmafa
who loves the changeup.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/chat/_/id/30042/dodgers-clayton-kershaw
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HAH
lol I asked him a question about his slider… and when did he get it and how did it come out of nowhere and stuff… i looks like he didnt pick it..
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
His Uncle discovered Pluto
how about that.
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Love this
who is the funny guy in the dugout?
Clayton Kershaw
(1:04 PM)In the clubhouse, you kind of see James Loney being the funniest guy…just not on purpose. He’s kind of out there and does his own thing. If you watch his antics for 20 minutes, you’re completely entertained.
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chad billingsley
clayton said chad is faster then him
!!!! the thick legged, non conditioned fat guy….. chad
Did anyone wince
when Clayton said he plays football with his friends?
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
seriously!!!!!!
when he said that im like… ummmm do the dodgers know about this football playing..
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
He’s prolly just hiking the ball to the QB. Nothing to be concerned about.
by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Nice arsonist bullpen
they are building with Fuentes and Rodney
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I like Harang
and think he would do fine in LA. I don’t want to give up a top ten prospect for him, though.
There were 77 pitchers in MLB w/300 IP in 2008-09. A.Harang ranked…
24th in K/9 (7.66)
23rd in BB/9 (2.41)
17th in K/BB (3.09)
but 77th in HR/9 (1.53)
That HR rate is pretty high, and it’s not even a product of the ballpark.
2008-2009 HR/9
Home: 1.46
Away: 1.62
the guy has sucked on the road...
and done good at home.. its pretty wierd..
Part of the difference has just been luck
the past two years:
Stat / Home / Road
BB/9: 2.31 / 2.54
K/9: 7.69 / 7.62
The ERA difference is big (4.15 at home, 4.96 on road), but his FIP is closer (4.28 at home, 4.60 on road).
Higher BABIP on the road, too:
2008: .294 at home, .337 on road
2009: .302 at home, .368 on road
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see how it works for Cincinnati if they have to eat all that money.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Accroding to Cot's
Harang is owed $12.5M for 2010, but "if traded, 2011 option becomes mutual option at $14M ($2.5M buyout)". Ned/McCourt will fear than Harang will exercise that option, putting the total owed to $26.5M – money they likely don’t have. If they feared Wolf going to arb, they’d really fear that mutual option, one would think. I don’t see Cincy eating enough money over two years to make any deal work.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Either side can decline a mutual option. Jon Garland also had a mutual option, but with varying buyouts based on which side declined.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
The “mutual” part refers to both sides needing to agree to exercise the option.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose that makes sense. What word is used for a option that either side can exercise? Or does no one do that?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Makes sense. What kind of situation could there possible be where both sides would decline the option, i.e., the player thinks he’s clearly worth more on the open market but team thinks he’s worth so much less they don’t want him back at that price and would rather lose him?? Outside of a cash-strapped, mismanaged situation like the current Dodgers that is.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
as angry as we are at McCourt
let’s not forget that McCourt is who he is, and it should have been MLB itself (ie. Selig) that should have taken one look at him and his business plan, and said, “Have a complimentary snack on your way out the door. Looks like you’re gonna need it.” But Selig has been to Major League Baseball over nearly a generation (and who knows how much longer?!) what McCourt has been to the Dodgers for a few years. At this point, I’m kind of amazed that MLS hasn’t taken MLB over in popularity!
True words
I don’t really hold any animosity toward the McCourts. They thought they could do it and to a point they have. I’m none to happy about them buying houses with Dodger money while selling Santana but it is their money to do with as they see fit. Okay maybe I do hold some animosity towards them.
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+1
If McDonald’s, Subway, and every other franchising brand can make sure prospective franchise owner’s have sufficient operating capital, there is no reason MLB can’t do this. I understand the reluctance to get more Steinbrenner’s running around, but to give a major market team to someone who can’t make payroll is a far worse crime.
Dodger fans shouldn't forget this story
when they feel the urge to grumble about what an awful GM Ned is! :)
Looks like O-Dog
will have to settle for another one-year deal. Not much of a market beyond the Nats.
yeah, Selig's definitely the real villian
lets not forget this gem, the one and only time someone confronted him about the divorce:
“There’s no reason to get into any debate about what’s going to happen,” Selig said. “The Dodgers will be in Los Angeles for as long as we’re alive and for many generations to come.” (source: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw-shaikin-dodgers19-2009nov19,0,7474714.story)
Thanks, Bud, because keeping the Dodgers in Los Angeles is what this debate is really about. And you think MCCOURT’S not being straightforward!
Anyway, this obviously concludes the thread, since Bud says there’s no reason to debate what’s going to happen. How we’ve been able to continue talking about this so long when there’s no reason to debate is beyond me!
I'm glad he got a gig
nothing would suck more then to be a writer with no one paying you to write.
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Uh oh (non baseball)
from Beto Duran:
Pacquaio-Mayweather in jeopardy bc Pac refusing to Olympic style drug test 30 days prior as rqsted by Mywthr bc of superstitions
Great article Phil, I wholeheartedly agree with you
The shenanigans the front offices must engage make it very difficult to be optimistic about the franchise long term, at least until the McCourt are in the must-sell position. The current team still has plenty to root for, and the on-field product this season should still be worth the price of admission, but the repositioning moves, e.g., filling the bench, adding a key need, that every team needs to make in the off-season looks like they will get harder and harder for the McCourt Dodgers to make.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Rule 5
I would like to see one major aspect changed. Instead of the player remaining on the 25-man roster all season, there should be a mandatory re-call date (say, June 1st). The way it’s currently set-up really isn’t feasible these days.
Rule Fives
are for teams not in contention. Based on your comment how many recent rule five picks have been offered back compared to historical norms?
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NPUT
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/12/22/1213254/how-about-some-good-news
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This is just crazy
As a Rockies fan, I frankly didn’t know who Frank McCourt was until this past March when he appeared at Camelback Ranch in ST. He was treated like a celebrity. Fans posed for pictures with him and he signed Dodgers memorabilia for everyone. After the game, he appeared from his suite and caught and signed items from his balcony. Fans seemed to love McCourt.
I had no idea MLB owners would be treated that way. Remember, when the Rockies won the NL Pennant, there was a resounding boo at Coors Field when the Monfort brothers were announced. Times can change fast.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 23, 2009 8:48 AM PST reply actions
arggh
Doesn’t look great, but you have been pointing this out for some time now; in situations like this it sucks to be right.
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