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How about some good news?

After that negative column by Phil about the awful financial state of the franchise we need some good news so I'll try to deliver.

 

Many people use many projection systems. I stick with two, the Baseball Forecaster From Ron Shandler and the Pecota system from Baseball Prospectus. Between the two of them I usually get a good idea of what my expectations should be for the year in question. Most of the time I use these projection systems for my roto leagues and they must be doing something right because I'm humbly very good. This is not to say that I take what they say and take it to the bank but I do look at the process. Baseball HQ doesn't just average out the counting numbers, they look at the peripherals that created the counting numbers, they understand hit percentages, park factors, and many other peripheral stats that help make up the counting numbers.

So what does that have to do with the Dodgers? Well I received my forecaster last week and while these are just projections we should like what they say.

Good News:

1. We love our outfield, well let me tell you, they love our outfield.

On Kemp

Excellent growth season was fully supported by BPIs. BA has now exceeded xBA 4 years in a row. Power surge supported by rise in FB and HR/FB rates. Extending the 2nd half... UP: 35 HR, 120 RBI

On Andre

A breakout w/full skill support. And he did it despite deep struggles vs. LHers and on road (.238 BA, .389 Slg). PX trend and FB spike say there's more power on the horizon. UP: 40 HR, if he masters LHers.

On Manny

Before 50-game suspension, his BPI's were otherworldly. After he returned, BPIs reverted to his typical worldly level. From here, it becomes a yearly battle between skill versus age, health and motivation.

Actual Projections

Name Home Runs Avg OBA Slug%
Manny 27 301 410 546
Kemp 29 299 353 513
Andre 28 285 357 521

 

Okay we know the outfield was golden. Also remember that HQ only puts those little "UP" details in if they really think that player has a chance for that breakout. So now let us wander down to the infield. James Loney and his future is debated endlessly here. Eric just finished a story this week about how James has to start delivering on the promise he showed in 2006 and 2007. His PX (power index) had dropped from 132 to 117 to 91 to 70 but HQ see's some glimmers of hope.

Carbon-copy production masks some skills growth: a few more BBs, ct% trending upward. With minor recovery in h% and PX, there's a career year lurking: UP: .325, 20 HR

The actual projection is no great shakes but even if you discount the UP they are expecting an increase in the slug% from .399 to .439 (40 points).


Even 2nd base is not as dismal as I'd expected. Like many of us who looked deeper at the DeWitt season in 2009 they found that he suffered from some tough luck.

2-4-.204 in 49 AB at LA Eye provides strong foundation. What if h% was bad luck (30% in minors career)? Then he deserves a chance to recapture other skills. At age 25, has time to do so.


The projected slug% is still low but if the worse that DeWitt can do is put up a .710 OPS it will have to do. As least he's not making several million for that kind of production like Jamey Carroll will be doing. No good news here.

Consistently high LD% has helped him maintain elevated h%. xBA, ct% trending in wrong direction, though, and at age 36, SX is likely gone for good. Singles hitters with no legs have no value.


Now remember when they say "no value" they mean roto wise. Carroll has plenty of value for a bench player in MLB. His projections are nearly identical as DeWitt's except in the slug% where his .313 is about as bad as you can get. He dang well better be able to field.


Rafy Furcal looks to get a little bump back.

Easy to see now that small-sample 2008 was a fluke. 2009 was a repeat of 2007, when SX was just average (and SB variance was all in the opps). 2H provides hope that 2005-2006 can return, but SBO trend points to tired legs.


Most of the improvement is in the expected bump in his slug%.


I expected Casey Blake to get hammered in the projections given his age and health but surprisingly he's holding steady.

Hamstring problems wore him down in 2nd half. Previously healthy, so a winter's rest should fix that. Doesn't usually outperform xBA this much, so expect some BA correction. Skills are aging gently so far.

Finally we come to Russell Martin the focus of much consternation. I have to give HQ some props, they told me in the winter of 2008 that Martin did not have the peripherals to back up the power he showed in 2007. I told them they were full of hooey but they were right. Things like this are why I pay attention to HQ.

Wait, isn't he supposed to be peaking? XB hits in '09 were half of '07 totals, so both size & duration of power outage are worrisome. As a heavily used CA, are double-digit SB next? At least 2H gives a bit of hope.

The news is not exactly good here. He is expected to bounce a little but his projections still leave him woefully short of his Golden God era.
Actual Projections.

Name Home Runs Avg OBA Slug%
Loney 16 290 356 439
DeWitt 8 256 320 388
Furcal 7 287 357 404
Blake 18 275 349 459
Martin 10 266 354 375

Good thing we have a great outfield. A lot does ride on James Loney moving up his game a level. I'll do the pitching tomorrow.

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I find it unbelievable that we are even talking of the possibility of Andre hitting 40 home runs, playing in Dodgers Stadium, in the post steroid world where 40 home runs really means something. I really did think he’d be a 285, 15-20 home run guy. When you are down on Loney just think of where Andre was at the same age.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 4:36 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for this

Do you have Kershaw and Billingsley’s projections?

by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, that will be coming tomorrow I see…

by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

No one seems to be expecting

big things from Kershaw next year. Mostly because of his walks. Kuroda was actually the best pitcher based on the projections.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

.284 / .350 / .452 / .802 / 105 OPS+ – Ethier’s age 25 season (2007)
.281 / .357 / .399 / .756 104 OPS+ – Loney’s age 25 season (last season)

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 22, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If Andre Ethier hits 40 HR and masters LHP, then his nickname has to change from “3.5” to “1.”

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions  

No, he’ll change his name to “Jason Bay money please.”

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Good thing he has to play three more season to gain FA.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 22, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Starting to seem unlikely

that any of our kids will ever get a contract doesn’t it?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

The new ownership will not come soon enough for that.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 22, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Andre Ethier would be entering his age 31 season for 2013, and around a 128 OPS+. Maybe he’ll be a Met.

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Yankee. Fulfills the Paul O’Neill comparison destiny.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 22, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

…with James “Bernie Williams” Loney in CF :)

by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Matt Kemp and Ethier might be a package deal for the Yankees.

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m beginning to feel my lunch rise.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 22, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Rule 13!

Oh, wait … sorry – wrong room.

by JonWeisman on Dec 22, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Worst case scenario:

Chad Billingsley becomes a Red Sox, Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier become Yankees, James Loney become a Mariner, Jonathan Broxton becomes a Cub.

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

At least we wil still have Kershaw

or in your doomsday scenario did he go Frank Tanana on us and blow out his arm?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m only going to 2013, but I assume Kershaw would have a salary around $11 million or so by then.

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The Dodgers will also have Carlos Zambrano in 2013, but will only have to pay $2 million of his $19.25 vested player option thanks to trading four of their top six prospects to the Cubs in order to eat salary.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You think it will still be business as usual under Eli Broad?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 22, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Worse

Dodger payroll is $100 million… of which $80 million is deferred salaries to players no longer on the Dodgers

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant to mention the negative side

of the HQ projections. They totally love Carlos Santana. A .863 OPS in his rookie season if he does indeed make it to the big leagues. Even more disturbing was the Tony Abreu love. A .799 OPS mostly driven by a .470 slug % from a defensive whiz at 2nd base.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 5:32 PM PST reply actions  

Santana becomes Ethier 2009 as a rookie. Nice trade!

by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

On the other side of the coin

it is just projections and you should have seen what they thought Jay Bruce was going to do.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Where's my season ticket renewal form... oh, here it is, in the shredder.

Nah, I’m not serious. 2010 will be a fun season.

But I fear that starting in 2011-12, the Dodgers will put out an inferior product. When they do, I will have to question where my limited entertainment dollars will be spent.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

The Dodgers won’t be able to afford everyone salaries because the arbitration board won’t allow the Dodgers to defer half of the players salaries. :)

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

They don't go to arbitration if the player agrees to a contract.

“Matt, we love you, and honestly, we think you’re worth the 6 million that you’ll be submitting to the arb board. In fact, we think you’re worth more — how does $1 million per year over the next seven years sound?”

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

this interview

confirms how utterly f*cked we are, what a bunch of b.s. and fluff from Mannion, his attempt to cover up the financial problems just made it even more obvious. I really hope the whole city reads right through this, and the fans call for his head soon. Please God bring us Cuban or Broad

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Dec 23, 2009 3:10 AM PST up reply actions  

mannion

talks/types a lot…but says very little.

stupid interview.

by npurcell on Dec 22, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

We're screwed

This Mannion guy is a BUFFOON. He makes it sound like they’d rather spend money on portable concession stands than amateur talent.

by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a cliche in PR: “If you don’t tell your story, someone else will tell it for you.” That is why you participate in an interview like this — you have a chance to spin the story your way.

That is not what happened in this interview. Mannion screwed the pooch. He was not properly prepared.

Whoever set up the interview will suffer.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill Shaikin isn’t exactly a bulldog. He is not T.J. Simers. Hell even T.J. Simers will allow you tell your story(Whatever you think about his Jamie McCourt interview, she did get her point across. )

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

That's precisely my point.

He had a great opportunity here. He blew it.

Maybe he’s just inexperienced at being the point man in interviews. Or maybe he wasn’t prepared.

Either way, whoever set up the interview — whether they deserve it or not — will suffer.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Shaikin might not be a bulldog

but for the most part, he asked precisely on point questions – and followed up. I’m not sure what went on with Mannion, but Shaikin didn’t give him a cakewalk.

by JonWeisman on Dec 22, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Where was the followup?

He made a huge general comment about all the reasons why we think the Dodgers have financial problems and Mannion failed to address any of them. And then says actions will allay those concerns, well Mr. Mannion your actions are the points that Bill was talking about.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Example of a followup

“Are you saying your choice could be between spending on amateur talent and spending on portable concession stands?”

Look, if you’re looking for a “You can’t handle the truth!” moment, it’s not there. Everything’s relative. But this is the biggest grilling that a Dodger executive has had in some time. Mannion is not an incompetent man – I don’t think it’s an accident that Shaikin got him to say incompetent things. I don’t think it’s an accident that Mannion, who clearly entered the interview with the intention of painting a rosier picture of the Dodgers, left the interview having painted a muddier one.

by JonWeisman on Dec 22, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes
that followup was excellent and one Mannion will regret for years, especially if the Dodgers invest in portable concession stands in the near future.

I just felt that Shalkin asked the right questions but when Mannion avoided most of them he didn’t come back for specifics. I know many of us are asking what is the deal with the Schmidt report. I still have no clue what that was all about and I’d loved to have heard more about that point.

Still I don’t think I was complaining about the interviewer, he certainly did ask the right questions. I don’t know to many Dodger fans who can come away from this interview and feel very positive about the fact Mannion is now running the day to day operations of the team.

I know I’m depressed.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that asked the tough questions,

and I think the total bs responses Mannion gave definitely confirm how bad the situation really is

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Dec 23, 2009 3:14 AM PST up reply actions  

And is it worth a premium draft pick? That’s also showing bizarre behavior, in my opinion, in terms of teams bidding against themselves for draft picks. That’s been going on for a while on the amateur side of the business. But it’s happening now on the international side, with guys you don’t know anything about.

Frightening

by Julio Nievas on Dec 22, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

  • Didn’t re-invest $19 million from the Jason Schmidt insurance payment and the Manny Ramirez suspension into baseball operations

This is the most damning I think. Why aren’t they touching the Schmidt insurance money? Is Shaikin suggesting McCourt just pocketed it?

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh Jesus Christ, his comments about the draft and international signings? Keep this guy awwwwwwwwwwwwwwway from baseball operations. I don’t care if he doesn’t understand why baseball picks are valuable, if he blocks one because he doesn’t get it, its going to get even more frustrating.

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/columns/story?columnist=jackson_tony&id=4755875

Tony Jackson asks where is Manny. Uh, in Florida where he lives off season?

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

Mannion
Is there anything other than action in your mind that is going to be able to convince fans that this organization is not limited by severe cost controls, given all the things we’ve talked about?

I think actions are the only way to speak to it.

Are you convinced you’ll be able to show enough action soon?

I would hope so.

And to quote Bill Shalkin even though it looks like he took some of this right from us. These are the actions that the fans have seen. So Dennis if these are your actions the fans already know what the situation is. Spin away, were not idiots.

* Deferred more than $45 million in player salaries, most of that with Manny Ramirez

* Traded top prospects in lieu of picking up contracts

* Declined to bid on virtually every top free agent

* Declined to bid on top international prospects

* Spent fewer dollars than any other club in the last two drafts

* Delayed playoff ticket refunds this year

* Fired more than a dozen employees

* Didn’t re-invest $19 million from the Jason Schmidt insurance payment and the Manny Ramirez suspension into baseball operations

* Deferred renovations to the loge and reserve levels, beyond center field and in the clubhouses

No one action raises a red flag, but doesn’t the totality of events suggest the Dodgers are experiencing financial trouble?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

New information:

1. Delayed Playoff Refunds
2. Didn’t reinvest 19 Million from the Jason Schmidt insurance payment and the Manny Ramirez suspension into baseball operations.

WTF on item 2. As Tripon said, what does that mean? Where else could the money go? McCourt can’t just pocket that money, he’s bound by the salary according to provisions in the loans with BofA. Any help from someone on this item would be beneficial.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps

It went toward the bottom line to cover a balloon payment or something of the sort amidst McC’s massive debt load….

by BFDC on Dec 23, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

So .much for this being a good news post

I guess that is what you call a fluid post, as we figure out best where to use our TBLA assets. We are going to defer some of our posts until 2010 as we recalibrate where we stand. TBLA may need some portable concession stands.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 9:52 PM PST reply actions  

I was looking at the 2010 draft order and was amazed to see that the Angels currently have * FIVE * picks in the top 37, including 3 in the top 30. That’ll re-stock a farm system.

by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions  

The Angels had like 6 picks in the top 100 last year as well.

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

They will need to

given the loss of talent at the big league level. Just in the last two years
1. Teixeira
2. Vlady
3. Figgins
4. Lackey
5. Frankie

Man that is a good part of an all-star team.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 22, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The Angels didn’t give up much talent to acquire Teixeria, Vlad, Figgins. And they developed Lackey and Frankie in house. Its not as if they built the last 5 or 6 years on severely leveraging the farm.

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

There's only 3 Type A free agents left

Holliday
Bay
Valverde

Obviously, we’re not signing the first two. So our 1st round pick is safe, unless…..nah, nevermind.

by silverwidow on Dec 22, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions  

Dodgers never looked to build an expensive bullpen. Even when Gagne was making $8 million a year, everyone else was making the near minimum.

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

jamey carroll

why didn’t he keep that $4 million too? for some reason this signing just incenses me… pierre, andruw jones, even mark f*king loretta you could at least understand what they were TRYING to do….

this signing was, dare I say, sabeanesque?

by lchristmas on Dec 22, 2009 11:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Doesn’t make much sense. Could it be that the price and years was the cost of Jamey agreeing to defer?

by Bob Hendley on Dec 23, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

“His intellectual shortcomings are obvious,” one political observer notes. “We don’t know of one project that Raul Mondesi has submitted.”

First elected in 2006 to the Chamber of Deputies — the Dominican equivalent of the U.S. House of Representatives — as a member of President Leonel Fernandez’s Dominican Liberation Party, or PLD, Mondesi jumped to the opposition Dominican Revolutionary Party, or PRD, during his second term.

The PRD rewarded that decision by backing his campaign for mayor of San Cristobal, surrounding him with a cabal of lawyers and professionals who arrived for a campaign meeting at Mondesi’s nightclub and car wash recently wearing crisp white polo shirts with the candidate’s name on them. Mondesi, looking as trim and fit as he did during three consecutive 30-home-run seasons with the Dodgers a decade ago, arrived nearly an hour later in a glistening white Mercedes S600, wearing a button-up shirt and a fishing hat and wanting to talk about alleviating poverty.

“Most of the people, they don’t have anything,” said Mondesi, who grew up in crushing circumstances just a few miles away. “I know what they need, how they feel.”

Asked for specifics, however, and the closest he comes to a campaign pledge is repeating a desire to build a basketball court in every neighborhood.

Facepalm.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-dominican-mondesi23-2009dec23,0,105815.story

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 11:31 PM PST reply actions  

Holy shit, Mondesi’s political opponent is Jose Rijo. Yes, the one who was caught up in the betting scandal.

by Tripon on Dec 22, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Imagine if a bunch of so-so retired major leaguers were in the US government today! We would be even more screwed.

by delias man on Dec 23, 2009 1:13 AM PST up reply actions  

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

IF/OF 6 Hairston $2,250,000
OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
C 18 Treanor $850,000
IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 37 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$112,162,432

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Current 40-man roster count: 40
(not including Belisario)

2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
27
61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
60 Matt Chico lhp
29
35 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
62 Luis Cruz ss/2b 28
33 Josh Fields 3b 29
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

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