Dodgers Farm System Among Lower Half Of MLB, Per Baseball America
by Eric Stephen on Dec 3, 2009 11:47 AM PST
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PrintBaseball America will announce their choices for the top ten prospects of the Dodgers tomorrow, and I'm sure Phil Gurnee will have plenty to say about that, but in the meantime editor in chief John Manuel gave a glimpse to Sports illustrated as to how each franchise stacked up. Outside of the top five and bottom five farm systems, the other franchises were split into two groups.
The Dodgers were lumped in the 16-25 category, with the following quote from Manuel:
L.A. has spent less on draft picks the last two years than any club, and it shows.
The Dodgers' success the last few years has been fueled largely by their own homegrown talent, and it is understandable that their ranking would drop given all the prospects who have graduated to the big leagues. Still, I can't help but wonder how much better the system might look if it had...
- Likely Indians' top prospect Carlos Santana, sent to Cleveland in lieu of a lesser prospect in order to pay roughly $2 million of Casey Blake's remaining 2008 salary
- Unsigned 2006 draftee Alex White, who went to college instead and became a first round pick of the Indians in 2009
- Unsigned 2007 draftee Kyle Blair, who also went to college and will likely be a first round pick in 2010
Well, at least the Dodgers have four extra picks in the 2010 draft to replenish the system as a result of offering arbitration to Randy Wolf and Orlando Hudson. Oh wait...
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SIIIIIIII
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH,,,,,
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Yeah
this is a bit of a departure for me, as I usually hate to harp on old moves (i.e. Cody Ross, Jayson Werth, et al), but Tuesday’s decisions have brought out my angry side.
There is no more benefit of the doubt as far as I’m concerned.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 3, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't fret to much about where BA puts us
because of our past transgressions, it is all spilled milk that will make you sick if you lick it to much.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It is a subjective matter.
So I don’t hold too much interest in how a writer ranks the Dodgers farm system during one single year.
For the most part, the BA rankings are a collaborative effort
by Eric Stephen on Dec 3, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Not quite true
the rankings are based on information culled from scouts, and it is their job to take that information and put it to use. Part of the problem is knowing how to trust the internal scouts of a team who have an agenda and the scouts of the competition who also have an agenda.
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Do they take into account
in their formula how many serviceable players are graduated to the big leagues by each teams system when calculating these rankings? Let’s say the previous 5 years are used?
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
They only
care about the current group of prospects in the system. When they do the team writeup they will mention how many players have been promoted and why that has effected the rankings of the farm systems.
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Cool.
I understand how the lack of offering arb to Wolf and Hudson has cost the Dodgers 4 potential draft picks and how that can be damaging to the farm system in the future. Are there ways to make up for those lost draft picks in the coming near future?
Even without those draft picks, the Dodgers still will have some picks in the draft….They can make up ground there.
How can the Dodgers make up ground for those lost draft picks?
Also, is there a rule where the Dodgers would lose those draft picks from Hudson signing elsewhere if the signing team is a lower tier team?
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
For this year
they have no way to recoup the draft picks. They only thing they could do is draft players who have fallen due to unsignability issues and sign them but given the history of the McCourts in the draft that will not happen. Those future picks are gone and we won’t even know the value until we see how the 2010 draft class works out.
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If the Dodgers had offered Hudson or Wolf arbitration, and they had signed with a team with one of the worst 15 records in 2009, the Dodgers would have received their 2nd round pick rather than their 1st rounder (in addition to the supplemental pick between rounds 1-2).
Or, if a team signed multiple Type As, they give up picks in subsequent rounds based on the Elias rankings. So if the Yankees, as an example, signed Hudson and Bay, the Sox would get the Yankees’ 1st round pick and the Dodgers would get the Yanks’ 2nd rounder, because Bay ranked higher.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 3, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
What potential free agents out there
if signed by the Dodgers this offseason would cost them those draft picks anyway? Does it work like that?
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Marco Scutaro is the only name that’s been floated.
There’s also the possibility that a Type A reliever is signed, but Eric kinda put that to bed yesterday with the $ factor.
Not same picks
Dodgers currently have the 28th pick. If they sign one of the 9 Type As remaining, they give that pick to the old team.
Hudson or Wolf would have involved picks from different teams, plus supplemental picks between 1st and 2nd rounds
by Eric Stephen on Dec 3, 2009 1:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If Eric is going to play the angry cop, I’ll have to flip flop and play the good cop. We already know that BA does not respect Elbert and Lindblom, are unimpressed with Lambo’s future, and in general don’t have as high opinion of our recent drafts as some of us do. Let us not forget that as they bow at the feet of Carlos Santana and Josh Bell, when those players were Dodgers they also got very little respect when it came to their “rankings”. So don’t fret tomorrow when they unveil their rankings and some of our favorite prospects don’t make the light of day, it is very possible they are just wrong. They were always wrong about Kemp and Andre the backbone of the current team.
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i do remember that
ahh that carlos santana guy a california league product, skeptical about him bla bla
the horrible trade = legit power, excellent contact, patient hitter
josh bell below avarege runner, a move to first base the most likely position for him
the trade = plus plus power, excellent fielder
by hirambocachica on Dec 3, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
And that's what counts
I can care less what pedigree a player has received from the talking head crowd as long as they perform. Kemp and Ethier are excellent examples, and there are many more I’m sure. The Phils would certainly point to Werth and Victorino…
Fair points
Made me feel slightly better. ;-)
And I think some of us here have higher hopes for some players that are either still underrated or too obscure, in the Dodgers farm system. May be some sleepers who break out in ‘10. We’ll see.
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2006 - the good old days...
John Sickle’s evaluation of the Dodgers system, in 2006. “The best farm system in baseball”
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2006/2/18/15336/2136
By my count – 18 of the 20 prospects have major league service time. John seems to be the most objective of all the analysts, in my opinion.
Dodgers were #1 by Baseball America too (although I believe Arizona passed them after Justin Upton finally signed (he hadn’t signed yet when the book came out).
BUSTS
Joel Guzman, SS-3B-OF, Grade A-
Justin Orenduff, RHP, B
Travis Denker, 2B, B-
Blake Johnson, RHP, B-
Justin Ruggiano, OF, C+
Anthony Raglani, OF, C+
Josh Wall, RHP, C+
the only busts on that list are
orenduff and guzman..
Blake Johnson and Josh Wall were drafted
high enough to be busts but I get your point, the rest of the group were over-achievers who just stalled out.
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yeah wall
you could call a bust only if you were to say "hes a bust cause he was a 2nd rounder pick..
Aaron Miller
Do you guys think theres a chance he starts 2010 in the bullpen for the Dodgers?
Consider that last year Lindblom nearly played his way onto the opening day roster, Miller is coming from a pretty similar background.
Will Miller be invited to spring training? I guess that is the proper place to start…
Long shot I think
Miller might be able to play is way into major league camp, though, and you never know.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 3, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
No
Lindblom pitched in AA at the end of 2008, Aaron Miller was pitching in the playoffs for the Low A team. I see no scenario where Miller will be on the major league roster in 2010 until after the all-star game.
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Unless we trade him
for a Marlin 2nd baseman.
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Anyone agree with Beane’s analysis of pitchers (i.e. Ks and K/9 are the best indicators of success)?
Maybe I should clarify; it was taken from an interview about their farm system. He said those numbers are the first thing he looks at.
Ha Ha
they are the first thing I look at, but if I was a GM I think I’d actually take a peak at them pitching.
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I would guess our position prospects is what drag us down, our P prospects should be in the upper group.
by LA Taco on Dec 3, 2009 12:34 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
So when was the last time the Civil War
decided the Pac 10 Rose Bowl Entrant?
Any Duck or Beaver fans here?
Did Portland State knock off Portland in basketball after tearing the Bruins a new one? Is that the Bruins in last place in the Pac – 10 with a 2 – 4? Has that ever happened during the Lavine era? DId the Gonzaga Bulldogs just beat the last undefeated Pac – 12 team? No, the Huskies are still standing.
Let me see if I got this right. The Huskies crushed Portland State 111 – 55, Portland crushed the Bruins 74 – 47, Portland State beat Portland 86 – 82. Meanwhile the Gonzaga Bulldogs have already played Michigan State while the Bruins have been getting busy playing the Portlands of the world and they still have a 2 – 4 record. At least they have Kansas on tap next. That should be fun for them. I think the next time the Bruins play the Bulldogs there won’t be someone crying after the game. To bad the Bruins don’t have the balls to schedule the Bulldogs during the season. Then again when you can’t beat Long Beach State or Pepperdine or Portland, they probably are right to stay away from good programs. I guess the Howland philosophy of recruiting one and done players is not working out so well for the long term health of the program?
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I don't know if that is a philosophy
Really there were only two that people thought were one and done (Love and Holiday) and one of them was part of a team that made a Final Four.
Without going into a lot of detail, think of it like Logan White’s first two drafts. The players that came up from those drafts were succesful or at least adequate (Loney, Broxton, Martin, Chad and Kemp) and even ones who did not succeed were able to do some things. Howland’s first two classes, Farmar, Afflalo, Shipp, Mata, Collison, Roll, Luc Richard, Aboya, all were (and in Roll;s case is) NCAA Division 1 players and they made impacts right away. Plus, at least they showed signs of buying into the system. After that, he has signed some really good players, Westbrook, Love and Holiday (each of whom were drafted higher than any of those previously mentioned) but since then, his latest recruits are still finding their way. I don’t think you can turn down a Kevin Love or Holiday, but you also have to realize that not every player is ready at 18. That is what is going on right now, among other things.
Technically, the Civil War determined the entrant last year too (sort of)
Had Oregon State won, they would have gone to the Rose Bowl. They lost, so USC went.
This is the first time the winner of the Civil War game goes to the Rose Bowl.
The wounds are too fresh for me (regarding the disaster agaisnt Portland State last night) for me to talk about that yet.
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
All I know,
is that it sounds like one exciting football game that I will be watching tonight!
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
it's simple
Howland’s 2008 class was a total bust. 1 transfer, 1 one-and-done who sucked anyway, 1 center with questionable motivation, 1 poorly scouted PG, and 1 solid player in Malcolm Lee. Since the 2007 class is either gone (Love) or transferred (Stanback) and the only 2006 holdovers are nothing more than role players (at best), the whole team is relying on these under performing sophomores with little experience and freshmen with no experience.
Also, Portland is a very good team. They may have lost to PSU but that doesn’t take away from who they’ve beaten this year. They’ll challenge gonzaga for the WCC title. Count on it.
It’s gonna be a rough year, but anyone who wants to take shots at the Bruins better do it now. In 2010, UCLA’s back in the top 25 with this freshmen class plus who’s coming in next year.
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Dec 3, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
They’ll challenge gonzaga for the WCC title. Count on it.
I support this position 100%.
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Saint Mary's
thought the same thing last year.
Can’t recall a time when both UCLA programs were terrible at the same time.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If the end result is the same as St. Mary's last year
(an NCAA title birth) that will work for me too.
I haven’t ever seen Portland beat Gonzaga. The last time they did it was my sophmore year in college, and it was in Spokane (back before all these games were televised) so I heard about it the next day. So that’s really all I want, at least a split with Gonzaga and an NCAA title birth. Can’t see UP going to the tournament if we lose to Gonzaga three times this year.
And several teams have recently won the WCC title bid other than Gonzaga. San Diego, San Francisco, and (I think) St. Mary’s has done it. It’s good for the conference, since Gonzaga always gets an at-large bid anyway.
That all being said, I’m much more down about the prospects of getting to the tournament then I was yesterday at this time. Oh well, Portland still has 1 big non-conference game left (at Washington) so hopefully we’ll pull out a better effort.
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Beating the Huskies
would certainly help. If the WCC keeps whipping the California Pac – 10 they will stop playing you. Notice not one Pac-10 school in California will put Gonzaga on their schedule but they have no problem scheduling the rest of the WCC.
Gonzaga will be playing Duke in a few weeks after playing Michigan State earlier in the year and almost beating them. Year in and year out they play one of the toughest out of conference schedules in the country. Never good enough to be a final four team but always good enough to scare anyone.
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Funny you should say that
After last season Oregon State decided to not continue the home and homes with UP.
Oregon just lost in Portland a few weeks ago which concluded an 8 year home and home agreement. They have decided they will not be extending that.
Our game at Washington (we beat them last year) will be the second leg of a home and home. They do not want to continue after this year.
It’s not just the California Pac-10 teams.
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Washington State
must be pissed they have to play Gonzaga every year. It is sad that teams don’t want to play good programs because of the worry over their rankings. The George Mason’s of the East will have to play the Portlands of the West when they go out of conference.
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In Karl Dorrell’s first two years (2003-2004) the football team went 12-13 and lost in two really crappy bowl games, Silicon Valley (Fresno St.) and Las Vegas (Wyoming). The 2002-2004 basketball teams (Lavin’s last and Howland’s first seasons) went 10-19 and 11-17, respectively.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I was hoping this was something new
thanks for reminding of worser times. That is right I said worser even with the spell check underline telling me that it is not a word. Live with it.
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Given the state of the Bruins and the Dodgers, worser seems right to me.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I may have had worse weeks
but I’ve never had a worser week. Blake Griffin now out until the new year, which in Clipper talk means he’s out until the all-star game.
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+1
and so true
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Dec 3, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
more
ducks last in rose bowl in ’94 (my first year there); beavers last in in ’64. never been for all the marbles before.
Ki Jana Carter and Kerry Collins
that Penn State team was legit. Put a beating on Oregon.
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Any of you dudes
know if I can get the Hollywood Bowl Museum by Redline? Is it walking distance from the Highland stop?
If the museum is at the bowl
Yes you can walk from the Highland stop.
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks!
I am trying to figure out the best way for getting there at 10:30 in the morning. I don’t want to be jogging two miles uphill in a suit and tie to then have an interview.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Well, it is uphill
but its not nearly two miles. Plenty of people ride the redline to the bowl, so its certainly doable….
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
I'd go after the interview if you are concerned about the suit thing
Its a doable walk but there is a lot of cars going up and down highland.
The interview is at the Hollywood Bowl Museum
So I wanted to make sure I didn’t arrive sweaty and out of breath. I am familiar with the area, except I have never got off at Highland and then walked up the Bowl. The Bowl is one of those things that has confused me for years.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
We've done it a few times
and while uphill, an easy walk with no sweat in the fall if you are in decent shape.
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I am in good shape. For the most part.
If only everything in life was so convenient!
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Saito’s deal with ATL is $3.2 million, plus $2.3m in incentives ($1.8m of which are based on games finished), per Ken Rosenthal
I miss that fist pump.
He always looked like it was his birthday when he got a save.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t sound like a depressed market. That’s a good deal for a 40-year old reliever showing signs of decline, although he was pretty good last year:
Year – BB/9 K/9
2008 – 3.1 11.5
2009 – 4.0 8.4
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Seems like a shocking amount of money to me
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Decent NRI
for bullpen support. He’ll be the Strickland of 2010 for the Isotopes.
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The report is out
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/12/01/farm.systems/index.html?eref=twitter_feed
Sorry if this is a repost.
Phillies #4
This just solidifies my opinion that their FO is consistently outplaying ours. And they have the luxury of having a much larger budget. Scary.
I think the Phillies system is overrated by BA. Giants too. To me, each have a couple potential stars (which is great) but really thin out after that.
I said it earlier, but BA always seems to overemphasize a system that has a couple standouts without paying much attention to the depth.
The way the guys on this blog make it sound
the Dodgers have two handfuls worth of pitching prospects. This causes me to have visions of the Braves or A’s when they were bringing up great pitchers with regularity. Glavine, Avery, Schmidt, Millwood, Mulder, Hudson, Zito.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Well we already have
Kershaw and Billingsley so we only need to do one of two things. Sign someone like Maddux like the Braves did or hope that one of Elbert/McDonald/Lindblom/WIthrow/Miller can turn them into a trinity like the A’s home grown group.
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I like the chances of that happening
with that group of five you have listed. Plus there are some other guys like Martin, Gould and Webster to throw in the mix there too.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
By the time the teen-agers are ready
Billingsley will already be gone which is why I did not include them. They may to create a new trinity.
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Chrissie Hynde says yes
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 3, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
That seems like a pretty easy song to re-write for the current Dodger situation: I went back to the Ravine, but the all the money was gone…… “Parking spaces” is already in the lyrics!
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You have your story
now just fill it in.
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Are song lyrics parodies really that interesting?
There’s a whole blog of them over here.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Wait a cotton picking minute
There is
1) a guy named Eric
2) who is a Dodger fan
3) who has a blog
4) who writes song parodies
5) who is not me?
What. The. Fuck.
Some of the Phils prospects
I saw I wasn’t that impressed with but my overall feeling stems from their FO being able to 1) draft well, as this ranking shows even though 2) just like the Dodgers, they’ve already had some prospects turn into full time players like Howard, Rollins, Utley, Hamels (with Howard and Utley being far far superior to any position player the Dodgers have drafted this decade), 3) picking up players like Victorino and Werth off the scrap pile and watching them turn into All Stars, 4) being shrewd in the FA market (Ibanez), and 5) being even more shrewd in trades (Cliff Lee!).
All of that and they still get to operate with a budget a good ways north of where the Dodgers will end up.
Not to overdue it, but damn they look like a club running on all cylinders in the last few years.
nitpicking, but
…it’s not so much a luxury as a comparative advantage. Luxury sort of implies that it’s something that they just had handed to them, instead of something that they’ve worked to achieve. The insane but indisputable fact that a team playing in Philadelphia has a much larger budget to work with than a team from Los Angeles is yet another glaring example of the McCourts’ stunning incompetence. Not that anyone around here needs a reminder that the McCourts are incompetent, but it just feels good to say it…again.
Easy to outplay the comp when you have a Utely, then again Werth and Victorino were absolute steals. Wonder who they snagged them from? Hope it wasn’t from their competition.
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just to pour MORE salt on the wounds
Let’s not forget that Utley was drafted by the Dodgers too! Of course, that’s not nearly as frustrating as Werth and Victorino, as he was just an unspectacular high school kid at that time. Nevertheless, it just seems fitting somehow that it worked out that way.
...and to be fair
The Padres let Victornio slip through their hands, too, and at least for the moment, they could’ve used him a whole lot more than the Dodgers.
Not really fair
when the Padres had him he was much to young and clearly not ready. The Phillies got him at the exact time when he was ready to be a major league ballplayer. While I decried the Dodgers losing Victorino when it happened, my expectation was they had let a solid fourth outfielder go for nothing, I had no expectation he’d be an all-star centerfielder for a World Champion team. He’s quite a story.
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I didn't forget
Just saying when the Padres picked him in the Rule Five he wasn’t ready and they gave him back. When the Phillies picked him up in the Rule Five he was close to ready but they still needed to stash him in AAA and the Dodgers said no. My point was that the Padres didn’t really make a mistake, he wasn’t even close to being ready to helping a major league team when they picked him in the rule Five.
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When you start going down that path
Then why not say that Cliff Lee could have been picked up on waivers 2 years ago.
All teams make good and bad decisions, hopefully the good outweigh the bad.
The summary of the Red Sox (ranked 6th to 15th):
Red Sox: System is very young, but SS/RHP Casey Kelly, OF Ryan Westmoreland could be special.
Couldn’t the Dodger summary similarly be:
Dodgers: System is very young, but SS Devaris Gordon, RHPs Ethan Martin and Chris Withrow could be special. Or something like that.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Manuel admitted as such, in that he favored top-heavy, star talent.
Most likely he doesn’t view those Dodger 3 as highly as Kelly/Westmoreland, etc.
they say westmoreland
has all the tools of a grady sizemore… but hes EVEN better!!!
LOL i dont know how thats possible from a guy who is in A ball tho… lol…
and Kelly tops out at 91 mph as a starter!!!! LOL..
Just sayin…
Our don't have surnames of famous generals.
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 3, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Withrow
is so under the radar right now it is amazing.
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He'll get a lot more pub
When he is dealt for Carlos Zambrano (just tossing out a name).
I will now wait for Silverwidow to demand I get banned.
Come now Craig
you know we cannot afford Zambrano:)
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That's true
But it is amazing ho Baseball America seems to latch on to guys after they are dealt. We should do a poll on who will be the most likely player to really make that kind of comeback. Is it Pedro Baez?
LOL
I already got under his skin a couple weeks ago with a tongue-in-cheek suggestion that, judging by history, the Dodgers would fill their 2B hole by trading Withrow for Kelly Johnson.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
hes not that under the radar on Minor league call on SB nation..
they are now kinda calling him overrated there/…
Interesting
about how excited you are about the BA top 10 when you consider the fact they are just going to piss you off.
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It won’t piss me off unless Withrow has an absurd rating. I fully expect my favorite prospect to be #2.
You think
Eovaldi is going to be number 2?
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My *favorite* prospects
1. Withrow
2. Eovaldi
3. Lindblom
4. DeJesus
5. Martin
6. Elbert
7. Gould
8. Miller
9. Lambo
10. Gordon
I bet you Eovaldi does not make the BA top 10
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My guess
Gordon
Withrow
Martin
Miller
Elbert
Robinson
Lambo
Lindblom
Gould
DeJesus
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i doubt it too...
the strike outs probably concerns themm and they probably think he will be a reliever..
prove em wrong nate…
Am I mistaken or didn’t he start out the year tearing it up? And then later the walk totals started going up and K’s down?
If that was the case (as I have in my head for some reason) might it be that he just needs to build up arm strength?
no it was the exact opposite...
he started out the year horribly… Like HORRIBLE…then in his last 20 to 25 appearances he had a great ERA of under 3.00
but then totally
sucked at the end of the year, leaving me worried about his arm.
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huh?
he did not totally suck at the end of the year/…
Split IP TBF BB/PA K/PA BABIP GB% ERA
July 20.0 84 6.0% 25.0% .351 54% 1.35
August 18.1 83 15.7% 14.5% .278 58% 2.95
Well the K Rate dropped quite a bit and for the whole year he had a walk rate less then 9% other then April and it more doubled in August from July. His ERA was fine but the drop in the K rate and the increase in the walk rate is what worried me about his arm. He finished in fine style with one good game in Sept.
Suck was to strong a word, I do take that back, but he did struggle in August.
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but its expected from a kid coming off TJ surgery
in his first full year and in his 100 inning mark…
i am not at all worried and i am very excited for next year when he will be pitching 5 innings a start..
Hard hitting Jake Fox was traded to Oakland
Im curious as to what prospects the cubs got in return
by SeanMillerSavior on Dec 3, 2009 3:22 PM PST reply actions
Oakland A’s have acquired Jake Fox, second baseman Aaron Miles and cash from the Cubs for P Jeff Gray, OF Matt Spencer and P Ronny Morla
They must be ready to let Cust walk
so does Fox become what Daric Barton was supposed to become? Fox was amazing last year, proving that older AAA can actually it in the majors if given the chance.
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Wouldn’t they just keep Cust, put Fox at 3B once Chavez is inevitably out, and ignore defense at those two positions?
Cust is going to be fairly expensive
I didn’t even notice because of the Dodger stuff, did the A’s offer Cust arbitration?
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Cust still has two years before FA. No decision needs to be made until December 12, AKA Potential Jason Repko Cut Day
Id think 3B is for Bret Wallace
Maybe have Fox take over as DH or play the OF
by SeanMillerSavior on Dec 3, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure, but they also picked up Dallas McPherson – maybe he’ll get a shot at 3B if/when Chavez cant play
People are claiming on MLBTR
that Jim Hendry’s twitter account is saying the deal is for Michael Ynoa and Aaron Cunningham…
I dont tweet
D-Backs on the FA prowl?
Their 40-man roster way full until they just…
D-backs outright RHP Kyler Newby and C Luke Carlin to Triple-A Reno
per Steve Gilbert of MLB.com.
Wonder what pair of FA they have in the pipeline
Ive heard Steve Johnson of the O's is unprotected in the rule 5 draft
any chance someone bites on him?
by SeanMillerSavior on Dec 3, 2009 3:39 PM PST reply actions
Less than 50 IP experience above A+ ball. Seems like a bit of a longshot, but there are a couple teams that are super-desperate such as the Nationals, that might put him in the back end of pen and hope for the best.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
great . . .instead of offering arbitration
the dodgers hire more assistants
by SeanMillerSavior on Dec 3, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
What do you think that guy will make? High five, low six digits, tops?
Besides, Ned needs more scouts than ever to identify the best set of NRIs he can bring in dirt cheap.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I'm guessing not that much in relative terms
His signing is not going to impact any spousal support claims.
Besides
He just fired like half of the front office, at least one or two must have had actual jobs that need to be done.
And here we thought he was a jerk for firing all of those guys, turns out he was just broke and incompetent. Sometimes you shouldn’t judge people to quick.
What is the special assistant count number up to?
D4P was all over this last year.
by Michael White on Dec 3, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Lot of “special” people in that Dodger front office. Might have a spot for Kevin Malone soon and I don’t mean our old friend Kevin Malone.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Okay, sometimes little gems amuse me
Creed Bratton was a member of the pop rock group the Grass Roots. I find this funny because as a kid I liked those guys. Light weight stuff that 10 years olds like and are freaked out when they become 16 and listen to AC/DC that they ever liked such songs.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
OK you got me confused and I have been thinking about this for a while now.
were you somehow relating Kevin Malone with the Grass Roots and then AC/DC? Was there a guy named Kevin Malone in the Grass Roots?
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I should check out the link
to understand what is being talked about.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Oh ok.
I don’t watch that show so I didn’t understand the reference whatsoever.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 3, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
The guy who plays Kevin Malone is a Dodger fan
wonder if that played into naming his character at all!
Dodgers did get one honor from BA today
Ken Young (ABQ), Executive of the Year
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/awards/executive-of-the-year/2009/269234.html
(per Dylan)
Who honored
TIm Wallach with PCL manager of the year?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
So the Cards signing Padilla is a
a)over reaction to losing to him in the NLDS.
b) a great over reaction to losing to him in the NLDS.
c) they actually think he has it to be pretty decent.
I think that just makes sense
If you have a 1 and a 2,
you go after a good 3 or 4.
Makes sense to me.
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