Report: Dodgers Interested in Pineiro
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 9:10 AM PST
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Buster Olney of ESPN reported this morning that the Dodgers are interested in Joel Pineiro:
Heard this: The Dodgers, who desperately need some help for their rotation, are in the chase for Joel Pineiro, who is the best starting pitcher in the market. The Mets and Angels have already been in the mix for the right-hander.
Pineiro had a fine season with the Cardinals, despite not striking out anyone, because he also limited home runs and walks better than just about anyone else. Of the 78 starting pitchers with enough innings to qualify for the ERA title, Pineiro was first in BB/9, fifth in HR/9, and 75th in K/9. Pineiro was also a groundball specialist, leading the majors by inducing grounders with 60.5% of his balls in play.
If the Dodgers wanted the Reds to pick up $10 million of the $15 million due Aaron Harang, in addition to dumping the potential $4 million of George Sherrill, as reported, just how much can the Dodgers afford in year one of any type of a contract? Will Pineiro take a heavily back-loaded contract with other suitors out there? More importantly, is he even the type of pitcher worth giving a multi-year contract? For my money, if the Dodgers are going to sign a low-strikeout pitcher, give me Jon Garland over Pineiro every day of the week.
But enough with all this low-strikeout talk. Let me cleanse your palette with this list, the highest career K/9 rates in the 126-year history of the Dodgers.
| Pitcher | IP | K | K/9 |
| Frank Wurm | 0.1 | 1 | 27.00 |
| Jose Nuñez | 7.1 | 11 | 13.50 |
| Sid Fernandez | 6.0 | 9 | 13.50 |
| Bruce Brubaker | 1.1 | 2 | 13.50 |
| Mal Malette | 1.1 | 2 | 13.50 |
| Jonathan Broxton | 317.0 | 420 | 11.92 |
| Takashi Saito | 189.2 | 245 | 11.63 |
| Jim Romano | 6.1 | 8 | 11.37 |
| Gary Rath | 3.1 | 4 | 10.80 |
| Jeff Hamilton | 1.2 | 2 | 10.80 |
| Mike Trombley | 23.1 | 27 | 10.41 |
| Eric Gagne | 545.1 | 629 | 10.38 |
| Hong-Chih Kuo | 205.1 | 236 | 10.34 |
| Scott Elbert | 25.2 | 29 | 10.17 |
| John DeSilva | 5.1 | 6 | 10.13 |
| Troy Brohawn | 11.2 | 13 | 10.03 |
Jeff Hamilton could really bring it, but he was no Frank Wurm!
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Agreed
Any type of a multi-year contract to a starting pitcher makes the Wolf non-arbitration offer all the more ridiculous.
Oh yeah, and the fact that Pineiro shouldn’t be given a multi-year deal. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't worry too much
I’m sure our uber-deferred offer won’t compete with the Mets or Angels
If we want an extreme groundball pitcher
then I would rather we target Wang as a high risk/reward pitcher. I think what Colletti wants is someone he can pencil in for 200 IP and I wouldn’t mind that if we also took a gamble on a Wang/Bedard type.
Both would probably be cheaper, but will they be ready by April, or even May? I don’t think either can be penciled in for 150 IP, let alone 200.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Right
What I am ssying is, it would be fine to bring in Garland/Padilla/Piniero (guys who are likely to hold up for 200 IP) as long as we also bring in a high risk/high reward guy like Wang/Bedard. We have plenty of options to cover April and May knowing Wang/Bedard won’t be ready.
Ahh…OK. I missed the “also” part of your comment. I would love Bedard, but I’m not sure why he would get less money than Rich Harden.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Bedard will cost less than harden because he will NOT play til about late july/august- so he should cost about $4-5m max…with bedard we get quality ( with risk) and can offer incentives that go against next yrs payroll…plus we can sign him of r 2011 as well with incentive laden contract.
I think offering a backloaded 2-year deal is the way to go with Bedard, but they will probably still sign another starter if they do that, so the question becomes is there enough for that? I don’t think there is.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Pure speculation from a speculator.
I am not worried, since it appears they could not afford him anyways.
It was an excuse for a new post, and I wanted to run the highest K/9 list anyway :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
If I remember the story
didn’t he practically hold a gun to their heads for this extension in the first place? It seems he wants TTU more than they want him
I think he just used finger guns like he does when they score or leading the team on the field.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
This was my favorite tweet of the day regarding the Leach firing:
Interesting. Craig James has the distinction of destroying 2 football programs
Now, that’s funny.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
i dont get it...
whose craig james and what did he do
Google “Craig James”, “SMU”, and “death penalty”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I so wished Sid Fernandez had remained a Dodger. I watched his crazy K rates as he progressed up the minors and then when I saw him pitch it was like who throws like that? Unique pitcher and I’ve never seen anyone like him since.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I always remembered watching Fernandez, and being surprised when he would always be among the league leaders (with Nolan Ryan) in H/9 and batting average against. You are right, he was very unique. That 1986 Mets’ staff was so damn young:
Gooden (21)
Darling (25)
El Sid (23)
Old Man Ojeda (28)
Aguilera (24)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
If we sign Joel Piniero
after the Wolf deal, Eric may need to keep running this blog himself. I expect this is just an agent trying to make it appear he has alternatives but I doubt if anyone is taking him seriously.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Joel Piniero makes no sense on a team that doesn’t have enough money to sign their own young players to extensions.
I’m with you on “Joel Pineiro makes no sense,” but signing a pitcher to a multi-year deal, if reasonable, doesn’t really prevent the team from signing the young players to long-term deals, especially with Bills and Kershaw as the only locks for the 2011 rotation.
Of course, it would be nice if that pitcher was a good one. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
This news really shouldn’t come as much surprise. Pineiro is a Ned Guy (veteran, lots of wins last year, innings eater). He said all along that he wanted a ‘bonafide’ ML starter for the 4th spot and a young pitcher in the 5th.
It’s hard to keep track of all the “Ned Guys” you identify.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
When I get some time, I’ll put together The Complete Ned Guy List. :)
by silverwidow on Dec 30, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Sweet!
I smell new year’s resolution! :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Noted.
I’m surprised he never signed David Eckstein, who might qualify as an “Ultimate” candidate.
by silverwidow on Dec 30, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Apparently the Angels are going hard after Chapman. If we apprently have enough money to sign Pinero, why not just go after Chapman ourselves?
Because there is a decent chance Pineiro will be better than Chapman over the next 1-2 years.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Unless a player is willing to buy out is FA years
I don’t think the Dodgers will sign any extensions. And unless you think someone is going to go all Tim Lincecum or Ryan Howard on us, why not continue with one-year deals.
I don’t see Dave Stewart locking Kemp or Bills down beyond their sixth year. Frankly the only guy where you might have a shot to get some bang for the buck with an extension is Kershaw, since he is still making the minimum for 2 more years, but would the Dodgers give 5+ year deal. Lots of risk for both parties on that one.
I was actually wondering this morning if Dave Stewart has any history of how he deals with his clients on this situation.
Stewart also repped Eric Chavez, and signed two deals with Oakland.
First was in near the end of his second season (2000) that was 4 years plus an option (which was picked up before 2002), which brought Chavez through one year of free agency. Then heading into 2004, which was the fourth year of what became a 5-year deal, Chavez signed a 6/$66m extension.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
To my knowledge, that is the only arbitration case Stewart has faced. But I’m not sure of all of his clients.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
My favorite part about the K/9 list
is of course Jeff Hamilton, but I couldn’t help but notice Frank Wurm.
He was a lefty during WWII, and pitched in just one game. He faced seven batters, and walked five of them. He also gave up a hit, but struck out a batter for his only out. 108.00 ERA.
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boy, I hope kershaw turns out like lester
by hirambocachica on Dec 30, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions
Man, do I wish we would’ve taken Brett Anderson instead of Preston Mattingly…
by silverwidow on Dec 30, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
anderson has an 85 mph slider...
to compliment his 94 mph heater…
this past year it was the best slider in baseball according to fangraphs… and hes 21!!!!!!!!!!
and the thing that makes his slider so great is that it has the movement of a curveball going 85 mph… WOW WOW WOW..
i think hes better then kershaw long term too… thats the sad thing.. preston over anderson? damn if only we could change that
by matthewmafa on Dec 30, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I saw Anderson throwing 97 mph during his CG shutout in Fenway. WOW WOW WOW.
by silverwidow on Dec 30, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
thing that seperates kershaw and anderson
in the future will probably be control… they almost have the same stuff… killer mid 90s fastball with a plus plus breaking pitch… but andersons control is just on another level… it is crazy how good his control is… but it is also crazy how unhittable kershaw is… 119 hits in 170 innings is crazy
Quick question about the function of SB Nation...
Previously, when I clicked on a link within a comment, the link would open in a new window within my browser (I use Firefox).
Lately, when I click a link within a comment, this window turns into the new page, and I have to click Back to get back to TBLA.
Is this a change with SB Nation, or is it my browser settings?
It depends on who placed the link. When you enter a link, there is a box to check to open it in a new window or not.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
When creating my columsn
I always click open a new window. I hate the idea of you leaving TBLA even for a second.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Dec 30, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Preference
Just so you don’t think that everyone prefers that method, I prefer it when the links do not open a new window (or tab). My screen gets cluttered with too many windows, and/or my browser with too many tabs. I’d rather click Back than Close. That’s just me, I guess, but I’m sure both preferences exist among readers.
The thing that worries me about Piniero is that how much will he regress when Dave Duncan is not his pitching coach? It seems like another Jeff Suppan scenario waiting to happen…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 30, 2009 12:38 PM PST reply actions
Nick Piecoro chimes in. Deal is $2.35m.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
RT @BreakingNews: Washington Times eliminating sports section; final edition is Friday http://bit.ly/6oEThA
Might be an extra spot or two in the Washington press box when the Dodgers are in town :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Not when ESPN Wash hires everyone laid off!
That reminds me, you can’t use Tony Jackson’s old spot anymore. :)
The 2010 blog spot will still be open, so I’m not worried :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
mlbtraderumors
Miguel Olivo Close To Agreement With Rockies http://bit.ly/5f9lPj
Yorvit is going to be caught without a date.
Eric Collins is calling the Idaho/Bowling Green bowl game
Not too bad of a job for our play by play man of road games that are east of the rocky mountains.
If anyone doesn’t have ESPN Deportes, but wants to watch some Dominican Winter League baseball, Licey is playing Escogido right now. No Dodgers are currently in the game.
Manager Performance Index?
Compare the players the manager played over the coarse of the season vs. a normalized lifetime performance curve for that player at the time and compare against the best players available on roster at the time based upon the normalized numbers. You would have to deny the existence of the hot hand and slump (i.e. if you flip a coin 2000 times there will be several long streaks of tails) or at least deny that you can predict when a hot hand or slump can be predicted, but I think if you looked over the entire year, that would be insignificant. Would be complicated, but would be somewhat meaningful, although after you would only be able to access performance after the fact. The measurement would be good for the hall of fame though.
Kershaw question in Jim Callis chat
Brad (St. Louis): Were you impressed by Kershaw’s first full year and see him still evolving to top pitcher?
Jim Callis (2:49 PM): Yes and yes.
as they say
if you cant beat them join them
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