Dodger Top 10 Prospects per Baseball America
by Phil Gurnee on Dec 4, 2009 9:40 AM PST
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Here you go, no real surprises. John Perotto will be chatting at 10:00 AM for those who have questions and are members.
However, they're starting to replenish the lower levels of the system with athletic position players and live-armed pitchers from recent drafts, led by shortstop Dee Gordon, righthanders Chris Withrow and Ethan Martin, and lefty Aaron Miller. Los Angeles rarely exceeds the bonus recommendations from the commissioner's office—its total of $8.5 million spent on bonuses in 2008-09 ranks last in MLB—yet has a knack for finding talent in the later rounds. The two best position players in the system, Gordon and outfielder Andrew Lambo, were fourth-round picks. Two of the better power arms, righthanders Allen Webster and Nathan Eovaldi, were 18th- and 11th-round choices in 2008.
| 1. | Dee Gordon, ss |
| 2. | Chris Withrow, rhp |
| 3. | Aaron Miller, lhp |
| 4. | Ethan Martin, rhp |
| 5. | Josh Lindblom, rhp |
| 6. | Scott Elbert, lhp |
| 7. | Andrew Lambo, of |
| 8. | Ivan DeJesus Jr., ss |
| 9. | Trayvon Robinson, of |
| 10. | Allen Webster, rhp |
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Webster Info
Strengths: Webster’s fastball sits in the low 90s and often touches 94-95 mph. It looks even quicker because he throws it so effortlessly after putting in extensive work on his delivery during extended spring training. His hard three-quarters breaking ball is a plus pitch at times, and he has fairly good command of his changeup.
Weaknesses: Webster is extremely thin and will have to add significant strength to have the durability to remain a starter. He’s hesitant to throw his changeup right now, particularly when behind in the count or with less than two strikes. His breaking ball could use more consistency.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Better be ready for that after all the hype.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
i think he will start out in ogden..
and if he does well… they will put him in low a…
unless they think hes a chris withrow, kershaw billingsley type pitcher who will move up fast.. which i doubt..
I posted some comments in the previous thread
The long and winding road of Scott Elbert
2006: ranked 6th best Dodger prospect
2007: 3rd
2008: 4th
2009: 5th
2010: 6th
He wasn’t in the Top 10 in 2005, but that’s quite a long run as an organizational top ten (albeit some years stronger than others)
LOL
BA says Elbert has the best CHANGEUP!!! in the dodgers system..
he already has a low 90s fastball and a great slider, and ba said he had the best curveball last year in the dodgers system… So now he has the best changeup too… This man is going to be a beast… (or BA is really dumb..)
Off topic but nice quip
Cesare (Jet City, Washington)
According to Fangraphs, Polanco was worth 50 million over the last three years … does anyone seriously think their valuations have any basis in reality?
Klaw
(1:33 PM)
My favorite line on those came from a GM: “Their replacement level is, like, me.”
Gavin (Maryland)
KLaw,Did you see Josh Wilkie in the AFL? Were you surprised the Nats left him unprotected for the Rule 5 draft? Think he’ll be selected? Think anyone will take Gail’s breasts as they, also, were left unprotected last night?
Klaw
(1:53 PM)
Yes, non-prospect. As for Gail from Top Chef, I can’t speak for her team but I’d put those on the roster.
but for the first time since I can remember, the projected lineup four years into the future (2013 in this case) were all drafted by the Dodgers (except for Ethier, who has only known one major league team). I thought that was cool.
Projected 2013 Lineup
C Russell Martin
1B James Loney
2B Ivan DeJesus Jr.
3B Blake Dewitt
SS Dee Gordon
LF Andrew Lambo
CF Matt Kemp
RF Andre Ethier
SP1 Starter Clayton Kershaw
SP2 Starter Chad Billingsley
SP3 Starter Chris Withrow
SP4 Starter Aaron Miller
SP5 Ethan Martin
CL Jonathan Broxton
If BA thinks Blake DeWitt
will be the starting 3rd baseman in 2013 then having him as the 2nd baseman in 2010 doesn’t seem so farfetched to me.
If all those players are still Dodgers by 2013 I think we’d be very happy with that team other then 3rd and LF.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Aren’t there giant caveats on those project team lists, like they assume no player movement, when we know full well some of the prospects will be traded for Joe Crede after Casey Blake blows out a hamstring or some such thing. If the already arb-eligibles on that list are still around for 2013, McCourt can’t afford that payroll anyway.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
oh, if only this could come to pass!
Outside of ALL these prospects making it (nearly impossible, but I still have fairly high hopes overall for them), and assuming that the guys in the CURRENT lineup/rotatin/bullpen either progressed or stayed where they are now, we know that there is still one person at the top of the organization that we’d need to get rid of for this to happen. (No, not Ned Colletti. Think higher!)
Looking back for fun
from the 2007 Handbook, here was the projected 2010 Dodger lineup:
C Martin
1B Loney
2B Abreu
3B LaRoche
SS Furcal
LF Ethier
CF Pierre
RF Kemp
SP Billingsley
SP Schmidt
SP Kershaw
SP Elbert
SP Penny
CL Broxton
Okay I'm going to take one line for each player strength/weakness
Gordon
Despite his inexperience, he’s an adept hitter who crowds the plate and uses his quick bat to hit line drives from gap to gap. He’s not just a slap hitter and should have decent pop for a middle infielder once he adds strength. His range is outstanding, as he gets to balls few other shortstops do.
He has tried, so far in vain, to gain weight despite often eating five or six meals a day last season. However, his broad shoulders suggest he has the frame to add strength.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
WIthrow
Withrow has a live arm, routinely throwing his fastball in the 92-96 mph range while being clocked as high as 99. His curveball is an above-average pitch with good late bite.
Withrow’s changeup is a work in progress, and he needs to throw it more consistently for strikes.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
kenley jansen must have
a fastball like freaking belisario; because with that speed, withrow should have the best fastball of the system
by hirambocachica on Dec 4, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Aaron Miller
This is for Mathrew and hopefully will put to bed the talk about Miller lacking velocity.
Miller routinely pitches at 91-95 mph, and he could pick up velocity now that he’s a full-time pitcher.
More than anything, Miller just needs to accumulate innings and continue getting used to being a pitcher.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Ethan Martin
Martin’s fastball sits at 93-95 mph and occasionally touches 97. He has good movement on the pitch, and he can make it sink or cut.
Martin lacks command of his pitches, particularly his curveball, which he bounces in the dirt too frequently
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Josh Lindblom
Lindblom blows hitters away with a heavy sinker that breaks bats and sits at 94 mph when he pitches in short stints
Lindblom has good arm speed on his changeup but doesn’t consistently keep it in the strike zone.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Scott Elbert
His fastball sits at 92-94 mph and reaches 95. He complements it with a late-breaking, mid-80s slider that lefthanders find unhittable.
Though Elbert has enough pitches to start, he may not have the command or durability to succeed in that role.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Broken record
“great stuff, not so great command”…see it over and over with our pitching prospects.
by Capt Obvious on Dec 4, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'd saw you see it over and over again
with any hard throwing youngster. The Grienke’s don’t grow on trees.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Andrew Lambo
e’s more of a gap hitter at this point, but his doubles should translate into more homers as he learns to turn on pitches.
Lambo is a below-average athlete whose lack of speed and range make him a substandard outfielder.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Ivan DeJesus
DeJesus has an advanced approach at the plate, with good discipline and a willingness to use the whole field.
DeJesus doesn’t have a lot of power and hits too many grounders for someone lacking plus speed.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Trayvon Robinson
A veritable tool shed, Robinson boosted his stock by showing power for the first time last season, hitting 17 homers after totaling 12 in his first four pro seasons.
Robinson needs more discipline at the plate to avoid being exploited by more advanced pitchers.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Allen Webster
Webster’s fastball sits in the low 90s and often touches 94-95 mph. It looks even quicker because he throws it so effortlessly after putting in extensive work on his delivery during extended spring training.
Webster is extremely thin and will have to add significant strength to have the durability to remain a starter.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Thanks a lot for this, Phil
Withrow sounds like a surefire ace, topping out at 99 with a plus curve and great delivery.
Based on the Chat some highlights
Kyle Russell, Garrett Gould, Nathan Eovaldi, and Kenly Jansen seem to be 11 – 14 in some order.
Baez is still the top offensive international talent so that just shows how low we have gotten.
Haven’t give up on Blake Smith as a hitter yet and he made the 21 – 30 group, as did Brian Cavazos-Galvez.
Regarding catching –
Ellis is definitley a backup but May has a chance to be a starter
and
May, Delmonico, Wise. May has a little bit more offensive potential and Wise is a litte bit better defensively. They all have a shot to play in the major leagues.
Lambo –
I think he will wind up at first base but my biggest concern is he hits with enough power to be an above-average player the position. I certainly haven’t given up on Lambo by any measure and I realize he is young but he needs to hit with power to be an above-average major-leaguer.
My favorite Sleeper Outfielder Jerry Sands –
I think he is. He’s got outstanding power and he isn’t a total hacker. He’s not a sure thing by any means but he is definitely an interesting guy.
Jonathan Garcia –
Yes, he is in the top 20 and he might have been the Dodgers’ most surprise of 2009, this side of Jensen going from journeyman catcher to lights-out reliever.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The fact that we rank last in bonuses over the last two years further pisses me off about McCourt.
Although Logan White and his guys have found us some great talent with a limited budget, it really worries me that Logan may want to explore other opportunities where he has a real budget and doesn’t have to worry about the owner taking away draft picks.
i will say it again
elbert is quite underrated; he is better than miller and lindblom at least right now
his numbers in the minors are just sick
Elbert in the majors so far is a good stuff, bad results guy. That has to be taken into consideration.
25.2 Innings pitched in the majors (split amongst two years)
not really a significant sample size.
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Scouting reports would focus on the "stuff"
not the results. At least that would be my guess.
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
They’d also focus on poise, command, control, etc. I’m not saying its the end all on Elbert, but I can see why he’d be ranked lower than he ‘should be’. I like Elbert but its clear the Dodgers aren’t going to hand him the kingdom like they did with Kershaw. Elbert’s going to have to prove that he shouldn’t be sent back down again.
I thought Vernon Wells should be higher. And I would have ranked Schmidt as worse than Dreifort, given that he had a known injury at the time the deal was signed.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
In case we were hoping for Greg Zaun as a backup C
he signed with the Brew Crew. One year plus an option. $2.15m guaranteed.
ugh....
go ahead and stick the knife in further.
Zaun was a Type B, so Tampa Bay gets a supplemental pick
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Wow. Lots of guaranteed money for a backup catcher
considering Aussum was $1MM and the other guy we wanted last year (who I can’t remember) signed for $750M.
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Blanco did parlay his season into $1.5m this offseason.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Brewers beat guy
Tom Haudricourt said Zaun was told he’d be the #1 catcher. So I doubt the Dodgers would have had a shot anyway, money notwithstanding.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Right, Zaun has a good chance of catching 100 games with the Brewers.
I think it’d be hilarious if the Dodgers or Giants now try to sign Jason Kendall.
Can Jason Kendall and Russell Martin be in the same room at the same time?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Buster_ESPN
Terms on Gregg Zaun with Brewers — 1.9 m. for 2010, 2.25 m. option for 2011, with a 250,000 buyout… the total value guaranteed is 2.15 m.
plus $650k in incentives for games caught
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Rosenthal: Figgins close with Seattle
M’s on verge of signing Figgins. Two sides very close. Four years, $36 million range
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/6346785546
I figured he might touch 8 figures annually. Close, I guess.
Confession
I wouldn’t mind having Figgins with that contract. (never would happen of course)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
A bit risky
You also asked about Figgins at 2B. He’s played only 197 innings – the equivalent of 22 full games – at 2B over the past four seasons. Personally, I have nagging doubts if he can man than position full time. Is there much precedence for a 3B to move to 2B full-time at an age similar to Figgins, who will be 32 to start next season?
Posted by: David Young (AKA El Lay Dave) | December 04, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Plus he’s a speed guy – sometimes they drop off fast in their 30s. Al “better letting them go a year too soon than a year too late” Campanis would disapprove of the length of that contract.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I like what Figgy has done for the Angels
but the Mariners are paying him for the past and he won’t be that guy for them. Expect him to struggle, I could see a couple of those 2008 seasons in his future.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I would lead Figgins off, giving Ichiro a potential man on for his inevitable hit.
Let’s say both guys have the same OBP (for example), I would bat the man more prone to walk in front of the hit-centric OBP so those hits could advance the first guy more than one base, if that makes any sense.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
SI_JonHeyman
#mariners still lead for figgins. he’s asking $36 mil for 4 years. they offered $32 mil for 4 or $27 mil for 3. #angels at 24 mil for 3
Sounds like the Lamar Odom negotiations all over again :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Update
from Heyman:
looks like figgins’ #mariners deal will be about $35 mil. he dropped price to $36 mil for 4 after they offered 32 for
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
how did this list compare against the TBLA list that we voted on. Could someone paste our list here so we can compare?
Thanks.
vr, Xei
TBLA — rank — BA
Withrow — 1 — Gordon
Gordon — 2 — Withrow
Elbert — 3 — Miller
DeJesus — 4 — Martin
Martin — 5 — Lindblom
Lambo — 6 — Elbert
Miller — 7 — Lambo
Lindblom — 8 — DeJesus
Robinson — 9 — Robinson
Eovaldi — 10 — Webster
Webster tied for 13th in our poll
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Our TBLA
stuff is on the left sidebar.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Thanks guys. Once I click on the story the left side bar disappears. If I am at the TBLA home page then the sidebar is there.
vr, Xei
One of the reasons I always leave the main page up in a tab.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Speaking of tabs
I will probably add one somewhere listing all the NRIs, just for shits and giggles.
According to MLBTR
The Rockies are interested in free agent second baseman Orlando Hudson, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. It’s a surprising name, but the writers explain that the Rockies feel that Clint Barmes would get a lot of playing time in a super-utility role.
Hudson, 32 later this month, hit .283/.357/417 in 631 plate appearances for the Dodgers this year. His playing time slipped after the Dodgers acquired Ronnie Belliard.
oh great
If this is true, can you IMAGINE if he does well with them- our smaller-market main competitor takes our second baseman and gives up nothing in return.
Meh
I’d rather our competitor overspend for a guy with a bum wrist who couldn’t hit for the last few months of the season.
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
World Cup news
U.S. to play with England, Algeria, making its first World Cup appearance since 1986, and Slovenia, 2nd time in the World Cup.
The U.S. got off easy!!!
Yup
For not drawing into Group A, this thing worked out brilliantly. Algeria was the absolute best draw out of Africa (assuming we didn’t draw into Group A and South Africa) and Slovenia is clearer one of the weaker unseeded European teams.
I was hoping for a group of South Africa, Uruguay and Greece, but this will work too :)
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
They had the hardest time getting out of CONMEBOL so they were generally viewed as the weakest team in South America. In any case, it doesn’t bother me since we avoided all the really good African teams, which all I was hoping for anyway.
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Slovenia ain't no picnic
Better than France, but they did beat out the Czechs, Poland, and Russia, they are a good team. Probably average for the unseeded.
But it will be awesome to play England, its great if we win and a disaster if they loose, and they weren’t the strongest seeded team. US very capable of beating Slovenia and Algeria though, so they have a good chance of advancing.
South Africa may be first to not advance. They’ll need some luck like the US did when we hosted. Tough draw for them, they basically go one of the hardest teams from each pot even though they were seeded.
About as easy of a WC group
they could’ve hoped for. Brits are pretty pumped about it as well.
by Capt Obvious on Dec 4, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
sadly, no matter how many times I read this it never gets old
“In order to avoid picking up the salaries of their midseason trade acquisitions the last two years, the Dodgers were willing to sacrifice more in the way of talent. "
It’s been said over and over again, and I’ll let it go once “we” stop doing that.
Thought this was a good quote from the dodgers 06 Sickels prospect list.
Matt Kemp
Matt Kemp is a stud. Standing at 6’4, 210, the dude can flat out mash. I feel like he should be a B+. Not only is he great on offense, but he’s got speed, an arm, and great defense. He’s huge and he has everything.Man he is underrated.
Why the B-?
by Shane Cobb on Mar 5, 2006 3:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Velocity from the AFL
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=7107
Max Speed:
Kenjey Jensen 96.6 MPH
Javy Guerra 96.5 MPH
Eric Krebs 96.1 MPH
Travis Schlichting 93.3 MPH
Aaron Miller 92 MPH
Average Velocity
Kenley Jansen 94.81 MPH
Javy Guerra 93.66 MPH
Eric Krebs 92.81 MPH
Travis Schlichting 91.16 MPH
Aaron Miller 90.15 MPH
So aaron miller pitching in 1 and 2 inning stints for his 4 or so innings in the AFL averaged 90.15 mph and hit 92 on the gun… a far cry from the reported touching 95 on BA and this is while relieving, not starting..
but how about guerra and jensen… they are throwing some smoke..
A couple of caveats
1) We are not sure when Baseball America and/or the scouts they spoke with saw Miller, to determine he threw 91-95, but it was likely part of the larger sample of 36 innings
2) Hard to judge off of 4 innings in the AFL, especially when Miller was shut down so early with an oblique strain. That could have easily contributed to the lower velocity.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 4, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
now I want to know what his tattoo says
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 4, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
RHP Justin Miller now a Dodger
minor league deal with spring invite. $850k if in majors, with $50k incentives.
Per Dylan Hernandez.
That's what I remember him for too
That game in Coors was brutal. Gnat fans hated this guy, now they can hate him some more, whilst laughing their asses off at our FO for signing him.
by Capt Obvious on Dec 4, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
nah
overall, he was above expectations last year. if he see’s any innings in the bigs next year, it means your bullpen was decimated with injuries.
not very exciting..
88 mph fastball with a slider and change
slider is a plus pitch according to fangraphs.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1313&position=P
So we’ve got Broxton, Sherrill, Kuo, Belasario, Troncoso, and now Miller. I wonder if just a long RP is next or if we are going with another 4 man bench just like 09.
Nope, he had a 3.18 ERA. Nonetheless, he should be good AAA depth.
I would think Cory Wade has a better shot at making the pen than Justin Miller.
giants fan here
miller is actually useful if your normal guys are battling injuries. he wouldn’t be used anywhere high leverage, certainly. btw… do any of you expect sherrill to be on the team come spring training ? i can’t see the front office willing to pay a set-up type guy $4 million, or so, i expect sherrill to get in arbitration.
ok. we over at mccovey were shocked at the decision to not offer wolf, as i’m sure you were. i have respect for colletti still from his days with sf, but i’m starting to get the feeling that he’s in an impossible situation with the deteriorating ownership. am i off base ?
Not at all off base
As time rages on, Colletti is becoming more and more of a sympathetic figure and McCourt is taking more of the villain role, even retroactively.
well, the dodgers have plenty of talent on the field to certainly be competitive in 2010 ( i’m envious of your 1-8 line-up). they have some amazing (and affordable) arms in the pen, which is why i believe sherrill will be moved. i worry about the long term health of your franchise….
Sherrill is the guy I think the team will look to move
for the exact reason you state. $4MM for a left-handed Cory Wade.
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
I keep seeing the term LHP Cory Wade, and I am not a fan. Even if Sherrill is Wade 2.0, he gets a major boost in value just by being a lefty.
There are tons of LHB in the majors who can’t hit LHP, but conversely hardly any RHB who can’t hit RHP, just by virtue of there being many more RHP overall (i.e. if you can’t hit RHP you won’t make the majors, but you can possibly get by as a LHB even if you can’t hit LHP)
Sherrill’s numbers against LHB have been amazing throughout his career (yes, I still remember Ibañez though) and make him very valuable. He is likely not worth $4m, but he’s worth much more than Cory Wade.
but corey wade can equally get RHB and LHB out
sherrill is all leftys.. hes a big risk vs rightys
Most of the RHB damage
came early in his career.
Over the last 3 seasons, RHB have hit .242/.335/.376 against Sherrill. A .711 OPS (with a .277 BABIP, so maybe a tad bit of good luck) against RHB is not something I would consider a huge risk, especially given his ~.500 OPS allowed to LHP
btw
are you guys at all worried about the physical or mental health of billingsley to be a #2 starter ? it seems he takes a lot of heat from the media for not being brilliant every time out.
Most people here are firmly pro-Billingsley, though there are enough people who aren’t that the blog can erupt into a firefight at any given moment.
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
My position is that there is no way I can draw any meaningful conclusions regarding the mental health of any player unless their behavior is ultra-public.
It’s possible the hamstring lingered longer than anyone admitted, that he had trouble readjusting after it, that the broken leg in the offseason made his endurance suffer in the long run. I hope he’s working out a lot this offseason, someplace where there won’t be ice to slip on.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
i hope he takes his conditioning seriously
from afar, i thought he was thick last year. he’s not a small dude, i get that, but he looked ,,,, extra thick. maybe it was the baggy unis ?
That's not a new development
he’s always had some bulk with the hips and the thighs etc.
I thought there might have been a conditioning issue with his late season fade, but not due to lack of motivation, rather the missed off-season work due to the broken leg.
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Eric and Phil could maybe comment on that since they’ve had press access, but I thought the word was that both he and Broxton are big boys, but not fat boys.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
if the team scored any runs for billingsley
he would have been a 18 game winner…
i still think hes going to be a great pitcher next year…
everything was way overblown this year..
he walks wayy too many rHB
its like he pitches around them…
and hes been lucky as you said.. so i do not trust him one bit vs RHB
agreed
sherrill is a great guy to have in the pen. if i owned the team, and i was in finincial crisis ( from an outsider, this appears to be the case), sherrill is a piece i would consider a luxury.
OTOH, if your starters are Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda, and then Elbert and McDonald or one-to-two cheap, crappy FA starters/rehab projects, you need a lot of bullpen arms, and the Sherrill cost is offset, or more than offset, by the money you didn’t spend on good starters.
It sucks that I have to think that way and type that. I feel like I need a shower now.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
hah
i feel you brother. sounds like the piece of crap line-up we have ! our #3 hitter last year with 3 f’n hrs. don’t get me started on molina….
I ran the numbers
is Sherrill better? Yes. But its pretty darm close, especially when you factor in the age of the two. Wade will improve, while Sherrill will not.
I didn’t think we were viewing Sherrill as a LOOGY and he’s certainly not paid as one. He was our set up man just as Wade was in stretches the prior year. Setup men face right handers.
And I’ve agreed with Matthew on this, neither really has an out pitch and they just lob fastball in the zone. Both pitched way over their heads in the season, and both regressed savagely to the mean in the playoffs.
I’ll keep using it!
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Hard to say someone doesn’t have an out pitch when they have a career 9.2 K/9.
Although I admit I am a bit concerned with a drop to 8.0 K/9 for Sherrill in 2009 (including 7.2 with LA).
Sherrill 2008: x-FIP 4.65
Wade 2008: x-FIP 4.07
by Michael White on Dec 4, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
sheril strikes out left handed batters...
not so much rHB
i went to a dodger game
in SF a few months ago and saw sherrill throw. the stadium gun had him 88- 90. i’d never seen him throw before, and granted, pitching effectively doesn’t require 98 mph, but i was a little suprised. he did get the hitters out, but he was facing the giants…. so that’s kinda the equivelent of AA ball.
not really
just shocked as in: wtf are the dodgers doing ? are they hurting for money THAT badly, where they wouldn’t want to spend the cash to sign the draft picks they receive as compensation for wolf.
btw
all you guys… thanks for being cool, and not all " GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE !! GIANTS SUCK !! LOSER!!." , or worse. i like to check in with the other teams from time to time to get the pulse of what’s happening. i learn a lot more from the people closest to the individual market, like yourselves.
everybody is welcome at MCC
we just like to swear a lot, so don’t take it as personal attack. most of the swearing is directed at zito, sabean, bochy and rentaria…. not the visitors.
as in:
why the fuck is ass-hat bighead bochy hitting worthless piece of crap molina cleanup again??
Miller was also shut down in mid September with an inflamed right elbow, but I don’t think it was that serious. He was placed on the 60-day DL only to create a roster spot for the Big Unit, who was returning from his own 60-day DL stint.
i just read somewhere he had
elbow surgery..
Only if we are guaranteed to have at least one more moment when he falls off the mound while delivering a pitch. TIMBER!!!!
I think they should continue their blast from the past thing they started last offseason and sign Gagne, Nomo, Tomko, and Hendrickson to minor league deals :)
Also, you gotta bring back Weaver, but not if he costs too much ;)
He would be a 2X blast from the past, and also says that the blast from the past started the offseason before last.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
NRIs galore today!
30-year old OF Prentice Redman also signed, again per Dylan Hernandez / LA TImes.
Prentice Redman hit .296/.369/.541 over last two years mostly in PCL (some ’08 time in AA) while in Mariners org.
He was a nice story
but I don’t think he deserved anything.
His MLE at Albuquerque in 2009 was .226/.281/.453. Lots of power but lots and lots of outs too.
Wouldn’t you like some power off the bench? I’ll take a guy who can hit a homerun in any given at bat than the guy who hits .295/.345/.365, which was basically the norm for our bench in 09.
As a bench bat it wouldn’t really matter all that much. Let’s just say he can slug anywhere from .475-.500, it would be a massive improvement over Castro, Ausmus, Doug M., and even Pierre.
Withrow...
what the best comparison to a major laeguer for him??
it would have to be beckett or burnett right? mid 90s fastballs with devasating curves..
Will McCourt force Ned to sell at that deadline? And I’m not talking about selling our prospects for gamers.
Then the Dodger Mascot is Mr. Dover
Ben Dover that is
Not a far fetched notion
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 4, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
James mcdonald
he has been struggling mightily in the DWL
he has pitched 13.2 inning giving up 22 hits 2 home runs but has 16 Ks
what is the equivalent of the DWL? Is it like AAA or AA or even lower?
by the way
he has also walked 8 in those 13.2 innings
Not sure of of equivalent level of competition
I would guess closer to AAA than AA.
BTW, McDonald’s FIP with the numbers you provided is ~4.50.
if the mariners sign figgins
and beltre accepts arb on monday…
then…. what happens??
It will be very interesting, that's for sure
Maybe Figgins to LF? With the occasional start at 3B if Beltre needs to DH (if he’s nursing an injury or something)
They had talked
once of moving Lopez to 1st, so Figgins could play 2nd if they did that.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
An mlb.com story from yesterday was headlined: “Re-signing Branyan may be top priority”. Of course within the same article it also said:
As for third base, [Seattle GM Jack] Zduriencik stated the obvious, that offering free agent Adrian Beltre arbitration means the team will see what Beltre decides before they address that position.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
BTW what did you mean on DT by “age 32 -35 post steroid seasons” in regards to Figgins? Is Chone really a likely user, or is just everyone lumped in together?
I basically am ignoring the steroid years
when doing historical comparisons. We seem to be finding older players fading faster just like they used to. So if I was going to check out Figgins comps (fast guys, little power, good OBP) I would look for the comp’s prior to 1990.
My comment has nothing to do with someone being a user.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
For example
Speed guys from 1947 to 1995, age 32 – 35, > 20 stolen bases, > 90 OPS+, <=.400 Slug%. Only 19 seasons in over 48 years.
Player SB OBP OPS+ SLG Year Age Tm PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO CS BA OPS Pos
Lou Brock 118 .368 110 .381 1974 35 STL 701 105 194 25 7 3 48 61 88 33 .306 .749 *7
Otis Nixon 72 .371 94 .327 1991 32 ATL 460 81 119 10 1 0 26 47 40 21 .297 .698 798
Lou Brock 70 .364 112 .398 1973 34 STL 727 110 193 29 8 7 63 71 112 20 .297 .762 *7
Lou Brock 63 .359 115 .393 1972 33 STL 675 81 193 26 8 3 42 47 93 18 .311 .752 *7
Ozzie Smith 57 .350 98 .336 1988 33 STL 669 80 155 27 1 3 51 74 43 9 .270 .686 *6
Brett Butler 51 .397 121 .384 1990 33 SFG 732 108 192 20 9 3 44 90 62 19 .309 .781 *8
Billy North 45 .373 91 .292 1980 32 SFG 500 73 104 12 1 1 19 81 78 19 .251 .665 *8
Ozzie Smith 43 .392 105 .383 1987 32 STL 706 104 182 40 4 0 75 89 36 9 .303 .775 *6
Brett Butler 41 .413 130 .391 1992 35 LAD 676 86 171 14 11 3 39 95 67 21 .309 .803 *8
Brett Butler 38 .401 114 .343 1991 34 LAD 730 112 182 13 5 2 38 108 79 28 .296 .744 *8
Pee Wee Reese 30 .369 103 .365 1952 33 BRO 660 94 152 18 8 6 58 86 59 5 .272 .734 *6
Joe Morgan 28 .379 107 .376 1979 35 CIN 538 70 109 26 1 9 32 93 45 6 .250 .756 *4
Pat Kelly 25 .353 105 .375 1977 32 BAL 426 50 92 13 0 10 49 53 75 7 .256 .728 *79/8D
Willie Wilson 24 .354 106 .371 1990 34 KCR 345 49 89 13 3 2 42 30 57 6 .290 .725 78/9D
Luis Aparicio 24 .352 96 .362 1969 35 CHW 681 77 168 24 5 5 51 66 29 4 .280 .714 *6
Rickey Henderson 22 .411 111 .365 1994 35 OAK 376 66 77 13 0 6 20 72 45 7 .260 .776 *7D8
Al Bumbry 22 .358 102 .337 1981 34 BAL 451 61 107 18 2 1 27 51 51 15 .273 .695 *8/7
John Cangelosi 21 .457 135 .393 1995 32 HOU 256 46 64 5 2 2 18 48 42 5 .318 .850 87/19
Pee Wee Reese 20 .371 104 .393 1951 32 BRO 711 94 176 20 8 10 84 81 57 14 .286 .763 *6
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I have officially christened the Christmas season
by listening to “Santa Claus is Coming to Town,” by Bruce & The E Street Band
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