Winter Meetings - Day 3: Starting Pitching
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 9:34 AM PST
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PrintI doubt we'll get any news from Indianapolis today as big as yesterday's three-team trade between the Yankees, Tigers, and Diamondbacks, but today figures to be about starting pitching:
Edwin Jackson was a key part of the Curtis Granderson deal, and he returns to Arizona, the site of his major league debut six years ago. Jackson was doused in beer by teammates after beating the Diamondbacks on his 20th birthday, defeating The Big Unit, a man one day shy of being twice Jackson's age.
A positive piece of news for the Dodgers is that it appears one of the final two rotation spots will be filled with in house candidates. Sometimes a budget crisis can force a team to make the right decisions.
Meanwhile, ex-Dodger Randy Wolf figured to give the Brewers his answer to their three-year, $27 million offer today, per Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. It looks like his answer was yes, per Ken Rosenthal.
The Dodgers will receive no draft picks as compensation for losing Wolf.
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Brewers hold the 14th pick
so, had the Dodgers offered arbitration to Wolf, they would have received 2nd round pick from Brewers instead of 1st. Pick likely in the 60-65 range (plus the supplemental in the 45-50 range)
It’s certainly plausible that Wolf may not have received an offer from the Brewers with the scarlet A on his chest, but I still think he would have had declined arb so he could try for a multi-year deal.
Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports says the Tigers have interest in Juan Pierre, and are “looking for a third team to supply the pitcher L.A. needs.” Odd, since the Tigers have more bad pitching contracts than anyone. The Tigers apparently prefer to unload Carlos Guillen.
No way
I was thinking more like he could move back to SS for the Reds, with Harang or Arroyo coming LA way
Really?
If Carlos could actually still play 2nd wouldn’t you rather have him as your starting 2nd baseman then Pierre as your fourth outfielder or Harang/Arroyo in the rotation. The man can hit unless you think 2009 was the sign of things to come.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I don’t think he can play middle infield anymore, which is why I wanted him to play there for Cincy, not us.
But I would rather have Harang/Arroyo than Guillen anyway
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Or 3rd
when healthy he’s quite valuable. When healthy is the caveat.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
rofl carlos guillen at second base
why no tjust start him off on the 60-day dl
by Chad Moriyama on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
The fact that it's the Brewers
Eases my pain a bit on the whole arbitration thing, for a number of reasons.
1. A pick in the 60-65 range would surely have been valuable, but it’s not like, say, the 16th or 17th pick. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it certainly seems that the dropoff in talent is less severe after the first several picks. Is that wrong?
Of course, no matter how marginal the value of an additional second-round pick, the Dodgers are still silly/wrong for turning it down. It’s just not as much of a crime as it might have been.
2. I like the Brewers, so I’ll root for Randy.
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Don’t forget the supplemental pick too.
Last week I looked at the top 124 players in 2009, by WAR. 29 of the 124 came between picks 17-75, exactly the picks they eschewed. The big dropoff comes after the second round.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
We picked up Gould with a 2nd round pick. Near elite talent will fall and having extra picks anyway and picking good talent we can sign is only a good thing.
Also, we picked up Aaron MIller with the supplemental pick. Imagine if we did this crap with Derek Lowe?
We’d might be looking at only picking one of the Miller/Gould/Blake Smith group, and there’s a good chance it would have been Smith.
Also, considering both the commissioner’s office and the MLBPA is okay with the Braves basically doing a sign and trade with Soriano, we could have done something similar with Wolf and Hudson if they accepted arbitration.
The Dodgers made two gutless decisions.
Two separate points here
1. The Dodgers made two gutless decisions. I agree. There was no reason to turn down those picks.
2. Because it’s the Brewers, and as a result the Dodgers are getting a second-round pick and not a first-round — plus of course the supplemental pick — the gutless decision turns out not to be biting the Dodgers quite as hard as it otherwise might have.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
However
we don’t know what Gould will do but we do know that Logans’ supplemental picks have not been very useful.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Reason being, that was Logan’s first pick last year. It’s different than shit like Mattingly and Adkins because he’d already secured a high ceiling talent earlier in the draft.
so much fail
i mean we could be talking about mike stanton instead of james adkins
ugh
by hirambocachica on Dec 9, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
…but I guess only if the #30 team in farm investment over the past two years can actually sign that talent.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Except that the Jays get two extra picks for Scutaro
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
Its like finding out you hit yourself as hard as you possibly could in the head with a hammer instead of a sledge hammer.
I will sleep well tonight.
Heee. ZiPs projects Brad Penny’s top comp this year to be
Dave Mlicki, Brett Tomko, Jason Johnson
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/cardinals_signed_penny/
They are not taking into account
the Duncan factor. I wouldn’t be surprised if Penny is very successful in St Louis, he knows he pitching for one last contract because he can only go year to year so long pitching on his past reputation so he might be inclined to listen to whatever it is that Duncan preaches.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Penny’s problem is that he stopped striking out pitchers. And he’s not like Joel Pineiro because he allows too many flyballs and HRs (and walks for that matter).
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Just saying
I’m always bagging on agents for not putting their client in the best place to succeed and for Brad Penny I think the Cardinals are the best place for him.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
In what sense?
the sense he can sleep with woman we only ogle
the sense he makes 7.5 million while still being a lousy pitcher
the sense he has incredible hair and reminds us of it on every pitch
the sense he has a world series ring
Just curious
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kengurnick
Free agent outfielder Jacque Jones and agent Damon Lapa are meeting with Dodgers assistant general manager De Jon Watson.
Turns out he didn’t make the Reds, than played with Newark in the Indy league.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
He's going to setback his HOF
voting if he comes back.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Maybe they're not meeting about baseball
Maybe Watson and Lapa just like each other and are going out for lunch, and Lapa is bringing Jones along.
Any other scenario doesn’t make any sense.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
If we trade Pierre
and then sign Jones instead of letting Paul be the fourth outfielder the good Dodger brain cells that have yet to fry will burst into flames
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Including
a -8 OPS+ for Florida in 44 PA.
Negative 8!
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget Jim Leyritz (Jeff Fuller took over for him as team driver) and Jose Lima!
Lima came after Rickey, so he’s the last technically.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't Ricky homer in his first game with the Dodgers after they signed him?
I’m pretty sure I was at that game.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
and then nothing
but he did walk 11 times in 84 plate appearances.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Oscars
are in Hollywood at the Kodak Theatre. But the Oscars certainly do take up LA’s attention/traffic.
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Also turns out his brother is damn good
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If they'd have reflipped Kwame for something useful
and Crittendon hadn’t busted – it would have been a really good deal for them. Its’ not helping that the picks they get from LA are like 29 or 30.
They saved a lot of money by Kwame's expiring contract
That’s what they got out of it. It was a “basketball decision” like, you know.
Saving money in sports with a salary cap really is a basketball decision
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I forgot that they were saving all of that money and cap space
to sign Lebron James, the “Duke of Memphis?”.
does nothing for Memphis
no one is going to sign there, ever.
Karma
This is what the Grizzlies get for leaving behind one of the nicest cities in the world to go play in Memphis…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe nice when taken in relation to the rest of Tennesse. But compared to Vancouver, BC…not so much.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Think like a baller. What is Vancouver’s equivalent to Beale Street? Nothing.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Hey Phil
Did anyone pick up the tickets?
by Julio Nievas on Dec 9, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
BHSportsGuy, mwhite06, and I joined Phil in watching the Clippers play valiently for three quarters only to be vanquished in the early part of the fourth. Dwight Howard is a FORCE.
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Dwight Howard
70% from the field, killed anyone who drove against him (7 blocks), and shot 15 free throws… Yeah, Dwight Howard is a FORCE.
I’m talking about the Laker tickets I think he offered today.
No one claimed them by noon
so I changed my plans and will be attending the game.
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From BA - DBacks projected 2013 staff
No. 1 Starter Dan Haren
No. 2 Starter Jarrod Parker
No. 3 Starter Edwin Jackson
No. 4 Starter Brandon Webb
No. 5 Starter Ian Kennedy
Edwin better than Webb in the future – who knew??
What would you offer him?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Really? You think he has no value?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
No, he has value. But for some reason Correia is on my shit list.
Maybe its because its that game where he went 6 or 7 innings on short rest, while the freaking Padres blew out Kershaw before 4 innings at Dodgers Stadium in early June.
Something like $2-3m with a ton of incentives. And that probably won’t sign him.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Boo
from Dylan Hernandez:
Dodgers: Wolf’s agent offered Colletti one last chance to sign his client this morning
Of Wolf’s asking price, Colletti said, "It wasn’t something we were comfortable doing
Colletti said he has no regrets about not offering Randy Wolf arbitration
and on 2B
Ronnie Belliard, Craig Counsell, Juan Uribe and Jamey Carroll are among the 2B possibilities for the Dodgers
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Another sign of how bad things are...
Ronnie Belliard is the best of 4 players we are looking at for what is probably a starting spot.
by CarolinaDodger on Dec 9, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
If those really are the candidates for the starting 2B
then I reconsider my opinion and join the blake dewitt marching and chowder society.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Me too
I still contend 2B will be a combo of Belliard & DeWitt. Not a straight platoon, but they will share time.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Not offering arbitration was wrong
but Colletti is correct in not offering Wolf a 3 year deal. I would be hesitant to even offer a two year deal to him.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 9, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
jaysonst
Teams pursuing Joel Pineiro being told he’s the No. 2 starter on market behind Lackey, so price tag is north of Randy Wolf (i.e., $10M/year)
No wonder the Brewers moved so fast on Wolf.
Man, I love the comments from this poll. Just the kind of quality you can’t get from Dodger Thoughts, True Blue LA. or anywhere else. Okay, maybe Dodgers.com
We should keep Juan Pierre most definitely. He works hard, has great heart, and knows how to be a team player. We should get rid of Manny – either trade him or bench him or just plain send him home even if we have to keep paying him. He’s not a true blue Dodger like Juan. Besides, I think it sends a horrible message to young people to get rid of the good guy while the drug using cheater who made a mockery of our town and our team gets to keep his job. It’s worth eating the rest of Manny’s salary to run him out of town on a rail if you ask me!
Posted by: Melanie | December 07, 2009 at 06:58 PM
Ramirez will break down or worse, will never again be the player he was when he was juicing. Pierre has been as-advertised, modest gifts, total effort, complete professional. I give Manny two months, .235, 1 homer, no defense. Joe better hope, come June, when he looks down that bench, he sees Juan’s focused, knowing eyes looking back at him.
Posted by: MichaelRyerson | December 07, 2009 at 07:05 PM
I almost want to change the TBLA tagline to “modest gifts, total effort”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
focused, knowing eyes.
My friend has a theory that old-timers love Juan Pierre the best, because he just looks like a ballplayer, darnit!
There was a report of him getting traded to the Orioles earlier today
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
1. I don’t really care about the Tiger mess. The guy can sleep with who he likes. Whatever.
2. I am surprised at how quickly a guy who was in control of his entire life has seen it all unravel.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Rick Reilly had some good advice for him
1. Go on Oprah
2. Fire everyone who is seen as an enabler – including agent, manager, caddy, etc.
3. Take at least 6 months off
Tiger should just buy the Dodgers. Take his mind off golf.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I support that.
One of the few spots where he’d be replacing someone with a worse reputation than him.
+ ∞
Ladies & Gents, this is the undisputed TBLA comment of the month!!!!
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
wow incredible idea
but is there a divorce on his horizon as well? My heart couldnt take it
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
my advice is the opposite
ditch the phony marriage and party down. unleash the real tiger. Fuck gatorade, do a deal with Grey Goose instead.
the only thing wrong with his life is the fake image. If he wants to get laid a lot with freaky-deeky chicks, that’s his perogative.
wouldn't he
lose a lot of money in endorsements that come his way due to his (previously) squeaky clean image?
Maybe that money is already gone and he’s got nothin’ left to lose.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Tiger's image was one of eliteness, not really family values / clean
Tag watches, Cadillac, Gatorade, Gillette, etc.
I’m not sure if he gets that back, but I don’t think he’s gone for the Brett Favre / Peyton Manning thing. Basically – he’s Derek Jeter except he’s married.
Tiger, Tiger, burning bright.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Accenture, Netjets and TAG Heuer = “Main Street, USA”????
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Because she’s black see?
But no really. In Tiger’s case he needs to seek forgiveness from ‘women’ and going to Oprah who have a great influence on her viewers can go a long way towards that.
James Carville’s advice – more credible than Rick Reilly on this, eh? – was to make one statement and shut up; don’t go on Oprah etc. He said Tiger has already played it perfectly.
This is roughly the same as what Letterman did.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
JonathanMayoB3
News on the #indians prospects. Carlos Santana has hamate surgery; Adam Miller has setback, needed additional procedure
Now I will forever imagine Carlos Santana eating ham.
JeffFletcherAOL
One of the highlights of Boras press conf: The Yankees need Damon more now since Granderson is better down in the linup. Uh, yeah.
Jesus Christ Boras. There’s no need to put down other players.
At least he hasnt compared Damon to a hall of fame player
At least he has not compared Damon to a hall of fame player like he did last year comparing oliver perez to sandy koufax
It's always darkest just before dawn
Ben Sheets’ agent Casey Close met with the Rangers yesterday, and according to ESPN’s Richard Durrett, the pitcher “is apparently looking for money similar to what he made his last season in the majors — 2008, which was $12 million.” Sheets figures to be popular on the free agent market, but we’ll have to see what kind of guarantee he requires after missing all of 2009.
Guess we can pretty much rule the Dodgers out for Sheets. I still have some delusional hope we could sign Bedard though.
Will anyone actually consider that?
Best scenario is he holds that line until early February and the Dodgers can pull a last minute deal for one year at about half that amount.
Let's face it
In our little world, the McCourts are a big deal but outside Los Angeles (and baseball), its barely a blip of a story.
I slightly disagree. I was listening to Toronto’s FAN590 radio today, and the Jays’ reporter spoke at length to how you can count out the Dodgers to be a trading partner for Halladay solely because of the McCourt divorce.
The baseball world is taking notice…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I thought I said the baseball world will notice
But in the extreme case, this is not a Tiger Woods situation
Gotcha. I misunderstood…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Who else had the same surgery as Carlos Santana
6 years ago.
James Loney. The concern then and now, how will that affect the player’s power, generally it is still understood that it takes a full year of recovery.
except loney always had power questions and he never really showed it
by Chad Moriyama on Dec 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Except for
a complete 1/2 season in the major leagues in 2006 at the tender age of 22. But who counts major league at bats anyway.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
And
a 1/2 season in the majors in 2009 – the road half: .309 / .387 / .475 / .862
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The question of Loney's power
Is a long, long road. James Loney Crystal Ball from 2007:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2007/2/14/162326/086
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wow props to navigating the game threads earlier in the season with it
also control A unmarks every comment in the thread, but i think its only there for ocd people like me that unmark all the comments after i finish reading a thread : )
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Hah hah. You guys are just now noticing that? It tells you about the z command every time a new comment alert pops up on the right. Heh. Oh well, I shall shame you no further. ;-)
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Lindstrom to Astros is almost done, according to multiple tweets. No idea who Houston is sending to Florida.
Ben Sheets doesn't sound so crazy after all
Rich Harden to the Marinters. Craig Calcaterra:
Word is: Rich Harden deal: Is done @ $7.5 guaranteed for 1 + a club option at $11.5
Jesus.
I guess they sold a lot of Wii last year.
by delias man on Dec 9, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Mario and Luigi are recession proof.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
arent the rangers broke???
how do they pay him??
Yes. I believe Tom Hicks has been trying to sell the Rangers, the Dallas Stars, and Liverpool F.C. for quite sometime now…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Two notes from Dylan Hernandez that caught my eye
from LA Times:
-Utilityman Juan Castro left the Dodgers and signed with the Phillies because the Dodgers offered him only a minor-league contract, according to multiple sources.
-Some of the Dodgers’ young relievers are drawing the interest of other teams. According to a source, the Mets have inquired about Ronald Belisario and Cory Wade
I wonder what we could get for Wade.
If it's the Mets
You can get the catcher of your choice. They’ve cornered the market!
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I'd move Wade.
Fill in some of the minor league depth that’s been thinned out in the last two years of trades.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
I’m beginning to think we won’t be able to sign any of the high risk/reward types Harden, Sheets, or Bedard.
Colletti seems to be employing the proper strategy given his constraints — wait out the market and some cheap starter will be there, or just use Pierre as the means to get an expensive type in a contract swap.
This is the “War Games” moment when someone needs to step in and say “the best move is not to play” as the Dodger front office erupts in applause.
I hear ya…it’s late…i’ve had way too much to drink…the options around the bar are thinning out…hey, How you doin???
The problem with that is that there is no Wolf at the end of the tunnel. Its going to be Suppan, or Looper or somebody.
My guesses for who Ned signs if we don't get a starter via trade
I’m not sure who is more of a Ned guy, but I would guess one of:
Jon Garland
Braden Looper
Vicente Padilla
Randy Johnson
Then I guess Ned might offer NRI invites (although not sure they would accept or get better offers)
Mark Mulder
Noah Lowry
Mike Hampton
Kip Wells
Kris Benson
This list makes me so incredibly sad.
Screw Garland, Looper, Padilla, and RJ. Just do what we did last year and take minor league contracts on the lower guys in your post, have a couple work out maybe.
Elbert and Mcdonald for the 4 and 5 spots!!!
I agree
To clarify, that is what I think Ned will do. Not what I would like to see.
At this point I’m basically hoping for a Pierre trade for something useful. Otherwise sign Bedard, but as everyone has pointed out, its not looking likely.
I would love to see us sign Bedard
on a deal for something like 5 mill with 4 mill in incentives (like 175 innings, better than 3.50 ERA or 1.15 whip, whatever).
Sadly that would never happen.
Well, it's not like we thought guys like Harden and Sheets would be getting $7.5MM+
At least I didn’t.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
damn the cardinals...
now that the set the market price for pitchers at 7.5 mill… everyone is going to get more then that.. they overpayed for penny and now everyone has to pay a lot for starting pitching
so the rangers gave away kevin milwood for almost nothing
so they can get harden..
if the orioles werent going to pay 9 mil of milwoods salary next year.. the rangers could not have gotten harden correct?
But Pujols>Arod by a good margin now
I think that would come into play. It’s just a damn good thing Pujols will likely never go to arbitration again in his peak, he would bankrupt teams.
Yeah
If Pujols went to arbitration this season, he would probably be $35m, or more. A-Rod is making $32m in 2010, and that’s an easy case for Pujols to make.
Colletti on Billingsley
per Diamond Leung:
"It’s tough to replace a Chad Billingsley. I know people are disappointed with what transpired the last two-plus months of the season. Prior to that, you could probably compare him to a lot of the upper echelon starting pitching in the game who’s 26, 27 years old and younger. What we need to do is we don’t need to subtract as much as we need to add. He struggled. We’ll see what he learns from the struggle because everybody loses. It’s what you learn when you lose. If I’m going to trade a good young pitcher, we’d have to get two pretty good starters back, which people just don’t have to trade. I’m confident in Chad that he can come back. I’ve talked to him a handful of times this winter…
YES. Yes yes yes yes yes.
I hope all the idiots stfu about trading Bills or that he doesn’t have the mental make up to be an ace. Those people drive me insane.
Problem is that it was way too easy for opposing batters to put good wood on the ball when Bills pitched in last season’s second half.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Some one wrote this about Toronto/LA deal
And said the Dodgers have Kershaw to deal. I immediately wished I had not taken the time to click that link.
Any time the Dodgers can trade a star in the making starting pitcher who's pre-arbitration and under club control for years you just have to do it.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
I want Vernon Wells. We can trade Billingsley/Kemp/Ethier/Kershaw for Wells. If we’re going to crash and burn lets just do it.
that wouldn't get it done
Need to throw in a lot more youngsters to make it even. Jonathan Broxton, Ethan and Russell Martin, Withrow, Eovaldi or whatever his name is, and Dee Gordon, for Billingsley, Kemp, Ethier, and Kershaw, for Vernon Wells.
And the Dodgers send money on the deal.
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Plus, using Wilson Markle’s magic process of Colorization we will offer to go back and change Wayne Gretzky’s Television highlight reels so that it will look like Wayne spent 1988 through 1996 playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs and not the Kings…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 9, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Who was the last Dodger arb hearing?
Gagne?
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions