Boras Rejects Latest Dodger Offer
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 10:20 PM PST
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via gothamist.com
Per Josh Rawitch of the Dodgers:
The Dodgers today received a letter from Scott Boras, the agent for Manny Ramirez, rejecting the offer that the club made yesterday. This rejection is the fourth by the agent in the club’s attempts to sign Manny.
"We love Manny Ramirez," said Dodgers Owner Frank McCourt, "And we want Manny back, but we feel we are negotiating against ourselves. When his agent finds those ‘serious offers’ from other clubs, we’ll be happy to re-start the negotiations.
"Even with an economy that has substantially eroded since last November, out of respect for Manny and his talents, we actually improved our offer.
"So now, we start from scratch."
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When the alternative is Pierre
I’m willing to say, “thank you Mr. Boras, may I have another.”
I will admit, though. This is getting pretty damned frustrating.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
That's how I feel too
Especially given the direction this team has taken in 2008. But I also don’t see any incentive for Boras to accept if the Dodgers continually cave.
by Chad Moriyama on Feb 26, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
I would never completely eliminate him from the plans
There’s no doubt he’s better than Pierre, so it does us no good to say we won’t sign Manny and then let the Giants get him. I would just keep offering the current offer until he eventually accepts it. He has to, unless some other team jumps into the fray or he retires, both of which are extremely unlikely.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously
But there’s no reason to keep caving to him, and I think McCourt is taking a stand right now.
by Chad Moriyama on Feb 26, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Him doing something right is refreshing.
by Chad Moriyama on Feb 26, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Like I said, I wouldn’t up the current offer at all.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
There’s no such thing as jinxes.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
True
But I kind of feel like punching a kitten right now.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
The problem with that
Is that it will only make you feel worse.
by StolenMonkey86 on Feb 26, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
But
why would it make me feel worse? :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Because
It’s a kitten. It’s less likely to have been declawed. Your hand will look like it went through a shredder.
by StolenMonkey86 on Feb 26, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
Plus
If you’re worried about jinxes, you should worry about karma, too, and punching kittens can’t be good for your karma.
"Honestly, if you're given the choice between Armageddon or tea, you don't say "what kind of tea?" People.I love you all, but...(shakes head)"
-Neil Gaiman
Good point
I’ll stick to orphan puppies.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
You could punch Manny's kitten!
No bad karma involved there.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
You, sir
are a solution finder. You solve problems. I love it!
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Why thank you
Now if only I could get in Boras’ ear…
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
No more jinx
I removed the jinx, just to be safe.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
"Only Nixon Goes to China"
In that tradition, only Tommy Lasorda could give the Dodgers the PR credibility to sign Barry Bonds, particularly in light of these developments.
I think we should all remember what happened the last time the Dodgers refused when a Scott Boras client wanted a 4 year deal to stay with the club. After all, that player (Jeff Weaver) is now a NRI, and if we’re lucky he can be at Joe Torre’s disposal to ruin the World Series.
Nice links
I especially liked re-reading that classic Bronx Banter piece.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
And for the record
I’m not fully endorsing signing Bonds, although I’m not opposed to it. Even if we don’t really mean it, I think Boras might get put in his place if he hears a cry of “We Want Barrabas!”
by StolenMonkey86 on Feb 26, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
I would fully endorse signing Bonds
If he would take a non-roster invite and show he cold still play.Of course it’ll never happen though.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Soooo frustrating....
Not much else to say. I just hope the offer is not upped at all, there’s no reason to.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 9:27 PM PST reply actions
Of course
Manny could somehow sign with Arizona, and we’d get the #16 pick. Of course, we’d lose the division, but such is life. :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
But...
Arizona’s pick is protected (it falls in the top 15 – remember, WSH gets a comp pick at 10).
by silverwidow on Feb 26, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
You're right of course
I did a quick look at my draft list and forgot about the compensatory pick.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Ha!
I think the only way the Diamondbacks could get Manny would involve giving him Eric Byrnes’ contract, money on top of that, and then adding in Eric Byrnes as Manny’s personal batboy/gopher/manservant.
And it would probably also involve Manny and Byrnes making a buddy flick during the off-season.
"Honestly, if you're given the choice between Armageddon or tea, you don't say "what kind of tea?" People.I love you all, but...(shakes head)"
-Neil Gaiman
Val Pascucci come on down.
I will say I think the Dodgers made a valid offer and were prepared to take this payroll over 100 Million. The game continues but I wonder if the Dodgers will still be players.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
How could we not be?
He’s got nowhere else to go.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
Perfect execution on the video insert
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
I tried like hell
to find video of the Just for Men boys (above) saying “Reeeee-jected” but I couldn’t find it. Alas.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
The video you linked to was perfect
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I meant
to have that “rejected” video at the top of this post. I still would have used the Richard Gere link for your comment. :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
you failed then Eric. FAILED. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
I guess
I’m just not a problem solver!
by Eric Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently not
Pretty disappointing if you ask me. I was looking forward to the video all day, hoping Manny would reject the offer just so I could see it.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
re:
I’m just wondering if we make another offer. “Starting from scratch” does not inspire confidence. If is time for Boras to make a real counter – offer instead of the 4/100 mantra of before. Based on contracts being signed we were clearly overpaying Manny for his services. Unless the Yankee’s were involved hardly anyone got a deal they would have been proud to show off to the union this winter. Especially the left fielder/DH types like Dunn, Abreu, Burrel, Anderson, and Griffy. Luckily for Ibanez he got his in early.
This lineup could really use Manny but I don’t see how the Dodgers should up the offer.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 26, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed fully with that
No reason to even think about going higher, we’re overpaying already. But not much point dropping out of the race entirely.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 26, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
More Info / Boras Counter
Well, it appears Boras at least did provide a counter offer. Per Dylan Hernandez:
“They asked me to respond to them and I gave them a counterproposal within the framework of the structure we had agreed upon,” Boras said.
That framework was that of a two-year deal in which Ramirez had the option to void the second year of the contract. Boras was believed to have asked for more money, perhaps as much as $50 million over the two years.
This makes the Dodgers’ reaction much more like crying post J.D. Drew than anything. If Boras in fact made a counter offer, that’s a good sign. Perhaps Boras intimated yesterday that by adding the player option the 2/$45m deal would be accepted, and that’s what they’re pissed about. But at least it wasn’t just a flat rejection from Boras.
Deferred Money
Phil was right…also per the Times article:
Significant portions of Ramirez’s salary would’ve been deferred, according to sources familiar with the negotiations who weren’t authorized to comment publicly on the matter
Sigh...
Phil was also right that McCourt must be having money problems.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 27, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
And people wonder why I approach everything McCourts/Colletti do with a cynical eye. :o
by Chad Moriyama on Feb 27, 2009 1:49 AM PST up reply actions
I'm finally on board
with the “McCourt has cash flow problems” band.
10/10/10/5 is ridiculous, especially with the public posturing making it seem like Manny turned down 25/20.
However, I still think a Manny deal gets done.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 27, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Why would Manny sign before mid-March?
If Manny waits a couple of weeks, some player on another team might get hurt. That would bring in another bidder.
And, if that makes sense, then both sides are just posturing now.
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