We defer to Manny
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 27, 2009 8:20 AM PST
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PrintDeferred money seems to be the hangup according to Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times and based on the numbers being thrown around it should be.
Why would anyone take seriously an offer of 25 Million if 15 Million is deferred? If Frank can't afford Manny he played his cards wrong and should just have reeled in Dunn with the money he can afford. Don't pretend to be a big player if you aren't. Deferred money is one thing deferring over 1/2 the salary is something entirely different. I was guessing that maybe 5 Million might be deferred, I expect most of us were a bit shocked when we saw the report saying 15 Million would be deferred and that was just for 2009. I don't mind Manny not playing LF for us, but I sure regret that it might end up being Pierre when plenty of better affordable options existed. Manny is not Hudson/Wolf/Blake mediocre talent who had to take a huge cut in pay because they are part of the pack of mediocre talent that inhabits baseball. Manny is not part of the pack and McCourt should not have expected him to play baseball in 2009 for 10 Million. Some of you might say who cares how much is deferred when you've earned millions but I expect you'd care if you had a choice of earning 25 Million now or 10 Million with a bunch of money thrown in over the years? For one thing I'd be very leery about playing for an owner who can't really afford you and is basically putting out a mortgage to get you on the team. Once other owners realize the Dodger offer is basically Swiss cheese couldn't anyone come up with a deferred offer. How hard is it to pay a 25 Million dollar player 10 Million for one year and defer the rest? I know Boras took some hits in the comments below and from Jim Lakely, LA Examiner but I don't see how he could have accepted this offer for his client. I'd publish this offer and let the other GM's know they don't exactly have to try hard to beat this candy ass offer. I'm not convinced this will be the best offer that Manny receives.
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Cub fan checking in here.
I’m really confused. What the hell does Manny want? He rejects the $25 Mil one year. He rejects the $45 mil two year.
This is getting silly. I’m getting mad for ya’ll…
This is the only team who wants him or is already trying to overbid for his services in a really bad economy. Its ludicrous.
At this rate, I’d rather just see him sit out all year and maybe forever. (And I’m not saying that because ya’ll beat us in the NLDS. I want ya’ll to sign Manny, I really do. This gig is just becoming rediculous.
I wish ya’ll the best of luck in the negotiations and in the season. I just wanted to drop my $.02 on the subject. Thanks for the forum!
We're getting caught up in semantics
The Dodgers released an email last night saying Boras “rejected” the Dodgers’ offer and that they would wait for Boras to get back to them. The move was to try to gain public sympathy, and it seemed to work, although the Dodgers failed to mention two key things:
1) most of the money was deferred (per the link above they stretched 2/45 into 10/10/10/10/5
2) Boras had in fact made a counter offer to them, which was the 2/45 deal with no money deferred
So now it seems everyone in talk radio and TV gets to play the “why won’t Manny take $45 million to play a kid’s game” card when in fact he will take it, but would rather have the salary during the years he’s actually playing.
Frankly (pun intended), I’m losing some respect for McCourt here. His reaction seems whiny, similar to the J.D. Drew opt out by Colletti, which any GM should have seen coming regardless of what public statements had previously been said.
Steve Henson of Yahoo today mentioned the Dodgers’ decision to defer money is questionable when many of the young players will be due raises in the next few years. So, long story short, I’m finally on board with the “McCourt is having cash flow problems” gang.
However, I still think a Manny deal gets done. Both sides have actually made offers; it’s now time to find a middle ground. And I think that will get done soon. Maybe not today at noon, but soon.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 27, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Very well said, Eric!
and I can’t believe I’m about to say this, but I am actually coming around to sympathizing with the Boras & Manny camp. The Deferred proposal is ridiculous, and I am losing serious respect for Team McCourt now…
Just leave Heidi Androl alone!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 27, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Sign him already!
To delay this even further over deferment squabbles is asinine. The Dodgers shed a ton of payroll this Winter. Don’t tell me that the only way this organization can afford Manny is to put him on layaway.
Def Money
What would McCourt say if all of the season ticket holder said that they’ll buy tickets for 2009 but we’ll pay half now and finsh paying for this year in 2011?
Let me get a Dodger Dog and a BL put it on my tab, I’ll pay you later or defer my payment.
It would not happen. Yes player do defer but half your salary?
I hope Dodger fan do not side with the McCourts. With all the talk about the economy they will still get 3 mil + in the gates at Chavez Ravine. Instead of freezing season tickets prices they should be lowering them since they are not going to spend as much on payroll. I mean how have they signed this year worth going to watch, as of this moment?Furcal until his back goes out?
I understand they do not want to make a mistake like they did with Chubbo, but com’n.
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