Forget Manny......

by fishfarmr on Feb 3, 2009 9:43 AM PST

What the dodgers should do is get Bobby Abreu and Adam Dunn for less than the 25 million on Manny. Those Guys will generate ticket sales and more importantly, wins. Dunn can play first and Abreu in the outfield. they will generate the same offensive numbers for you as well with the added benefit of two guys a pitcher has to worry about. If you have discussed this already, forgive me. But how is this a bad plan?

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Abreu's not very good.

I wouldn’t waste our money on him. Rosenthal and Olney have recently published articles saying that we are considering going after Dunn, Hudson, and Wolf, because combined they would probably just equal the cost of Manny.

I like this idea much better, except for the fact that I’m not sure what happens to Dewitt. I would be worried Ned would trade him away and not get much in return. If Dewitt and Blake could platoon, and then Dewiitt could slowly start to take over the 3rd base job, I think that would be the best way to work this scenario out.

For the last two years Abreu has been worth 2.8 wins and 1.3 wins because his bat has started to fade and his defense is truly abysmal. Meanwhile Hudson has been worth 3.1 wins and 1.9 wins, even while missing significant time in both seasons. At this point they’re pretty similiar hitters. Abreu has posted wOBA’s of .360 and .368 the last two years compared to Hudson’s wOBA’s of .361 and .358. The difference in value is with Hudson you have a decent fielding second baseman while Abreu is a terrible left fielder. Abreu does project to be a bit better with the bat but the positions more than make up the difference.

The only other negative to signing Hudson is that he costs us our first round pick. But if we are going to sign multiple guys in place of Manny, I’d definitely take Hudson over Abreu.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 3, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions

if we are doing that

i would want dunn and sheets and no hudson.

by XXDC2XX on Feb 3, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions

Thats great too.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 3, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions

Abreu at first???

So where do you put Loney? Pinch hitting all year? Sorry, this scenario is not well thought out

Paul Lo Duca is MLB's Pablo Escobar..

by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 3, 2009 10:50 AM PST reply actions

Pardon me...

The opening thread said Dunn at first, not Abreu. I still don’t like any plan that relegates Loney to the bench…

Paul Lo Duca is MLB's Pablo Escobar..

by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 3, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions

I suppose we would trade Loney in this scenario.

But we won’t sign both Dunn and Abreu so there’s no need to worry about that.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 3, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions

Forget Dunn & Abreu

I mean are you for real? Manny is the only thing dodgers need. They will be set once they have him. All they need is more pitching. Abreu is old and cant play like he did (prolly ran out of roids) he’s breaking down. Dunn just strikes out 200 times a year. Yeah he hit 40 hr but he strands people on base to much. Manny is the ticket.

by John23 on Feb 28, 2009 6:11 PM PST reply actions

WHEN Manny signs

the division simply becomes a two team race between the Dodgers and Zona. Having a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs is about all you can ask for these days. Looking at the 03 Marlins, 06 Cardinals, 08 Phillies, you just need to get in the playoffs and anything can happen. This has to get done. A Ben Sheets and some change doesn’t guarantee such favorable odds.

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by Loyola Marymount on Mar 2, 2009 3:49 PM PST reply actions

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos	No	Player	2012 Salary
C	17	Ellis	$500,000	team control
1B	7	Loney	$6,375,000
2B	14	Ellis	$2,500,000
3B	5	Uribe	$8,000,000
SS	9	Gordon	$485,000	team control
LF	21	Rivera	$4,000,000
CF	27	Kemp	$10,000,000
RF	16	Ethier	$10,950,000

IF/OF	6	Hairston	$2,250,000
OF	10	Gwynn	$850,000
2B/3B	3	Kennedy	$800,000
C	18	Treanor	$850,000
IF	12	Sellers	$485,000	team control

SP	22	Kershaw	$6,000,000
SP	58	Billingsley	$9,000,000
SP	29	Lilly	$12,000,000
SP	37	Capuano	$3,000,000
SP	44	Harang	$3,000,000

CL	54	Guerra	$485,000	team control
RHP	74	Jansen	$500,000	team control
RHP	55	Guerrier	$4,750,000
RHP		Coffey	$1,000,000
RHP	66	MacDougal	$650,000
LHP	57	Elbert	$485,000	team control
RHP	36	Hawksworth	$500,000	team control

TJ	41	De La Rosa	$485,000	team control

		Manny	$8,087,432	deferred
		Andruw	$3,375,000	deferred
		Pierre	$3,050,000	deferred
		Furcal	$3,000,000	deferred
		Kuroda	$2,000,000	deferred
		Garland	$1,500,000	option buyout
		Blake	$1,250,000	option buyout

Totals			$112,162,432
For more detailed information, click here.
Players on 40-man roster used as roster fillers until moves are made. Current 40-man roster count: 40 (not including Belisario)

2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No	Player	Age*
63	Jose Ascanio rhp	27
61	Alberto Castillo lhp	36
60	Matt Chico lhp	29
35	John Grabow lhp	33
59	Angel Guzman rhp	30
47	Wil Ledezma lhp	31
72	Shane Lindsay rhp	27
62	Fernando Nieve rhp	29
73	Scott Rice lhp	30
70	Will Savage rhp	27
71	Ryan Tucker rhp	25

30	Josh Bard c	34
82	Griff Erickson c	24
81	Matt Wallachc	26
67	Jeff Baisley 3b/1b	29
62	Luis Cruz ss/2b	28
33	Josh Fields 3b	29
64	Lance Zawadzki if	27
56	Cory Sullivan of	32

*Age on June 30, 2012
NRI count: 19 For more info, click here.

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