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The All-Time LA Dodger Team: The #5 Starter

All-Time Lineup#1 | #2 | #3 | #4 | #5 | #6 | #7 | #8
All-Time Starting Pitchers#1 | #2 | #3 | #4

Fernando Valenzuela beat out Don Sutton, in our closest poll yet, for the 4th starter position, giving our staff a nice balance with two lefties and two righties.

All-Time LA Dodger Starting Pitchers

No Player Pos
32 Sandy Koufax
LHP
53 Don Drysdale RHP
55
Orel Hershiser RHP
34 Fernando Valenzuela LHP
 

Interestingly, all of these pitchers had fairly long scoreless streaks.  We know about Big D and Orel, who own the top two scoreless inning streaks of all-time, but the two lefties had some streaks as well:

1) Valenzuela started the 1985 season by pitching 41.1 IP without giving up an earned run.  He did give up a run in that 42nd inning, so he sat at the end of April with a 0.21 ERA but only a 2-3 record.  I was tempted to go with the start of his career too.  Fernando mixed in a 34-inning scoreless streak in 1981, and after his first 7 starts his career ERA (including 17.2 earned-run-less IP in relief in 1980) was 0.22.

2) Koufax had a 33-inning scoreless streak in July 1963, including three straight shutouts.

Who will round out our starting staff?  To determine the #5 starter, the voting is the same as before, except that Koufax, Drysdale, Orel, and Fernando are no longer eligible.

Eric's Pick

I'm really tempted to go with Kevin Brown here, since he was great during his 3.5 healthy seasons here.  He has the highest ERA+ in Dodger history with a 147, and it's not even close.  And that's not just LA Dodger history, but rather overall Dodger history.  Reader Paul Scott put forth this compelling argument for Brown as the 5th starter:

This is the fifth spot in the rotation. This will be the guy that sees the least action. You don’t need or even want a workhorse here. You want a guy that will give you the best performance during the limited time he will be on the mound during the season. That guy is Kevin Brown.

It's a great argument for Brown, but I'm sticking with Don Sutton here.  I just don't think Brown was a Dodger long enough to warrant a spot on this time, despite his greatness.  Sutton put together a solid 15 seasons with the Dodgers, with a few great ones mixed in.  I'm rewarding his longevity here, but it's an admittedly close call.

Phil's Pick

Kevin Brown might be the correct pick but I'm going with the guy who threw a 1-0 shutout  at my first game in the cathedral called Dodger Stadium when Grabarkewitz hit one of my top 10 Dodger home runs.

Who's your pick?

Poll
Who is the 5th Starter on the All-Time LA Dodger team?
Don Sutton
76 votes
Kevin Brown
17 votes
Claude Osteen
3 votes
Hideo Nomo
14 votes
Burt Hooton
1 votes
Bob Welch
3 votes
Chan Ho Park
19 votes
Andy Messersmith
4 votes

137 votes | Poll has closed

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Chan Ho

Nice to see Park getting some love.

I remember going to a game in SD while I was in college. It was the last day of the 1995 season, and the Dodgers had just clinched the division the night before.

The young 22-year old fireballer from South Korea was in just his 4th career game, and pitched the first 3 innings. He struck out five straight hitters at one point, and a few Padre fans near my seats were amazed at his stuff. So was I!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 6, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

Gomer

I went with Osteen, cuz Brownie wasn’t around much and I was never fond of Sutton.

by Bob Hendley on Feb 6, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

Brown would be my choice if...

…he was more than a blip on the radar.

3 healthy seasons doesn’t quite put him over Sutton for me.

by Chad Moriyama on Feb 7, 2009 1:19 AM PST reply actions  

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Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
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SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
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CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
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47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
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62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
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70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25
28 Jamey Wright rhp
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