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Around SBN: Knicks Beat Lakers With Familiar Strategy

Lakers/Cavs Game Thread

The battle for the NBA's best record...again!

The Lakers try to stop the Cavaliers, who have won all 23 games on their home court so far this season, in a battle between the two players who will finish 1-2 in the MVP voting this year.

Henry Abbott of ESPN's True Hoop had a nice comparison between Kobe and Lebron the other day, highlighting each player's unique skills.

Tip-off is roughly 12:30pm PST.

 

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Adam Morrison

Since Gonzaga is my favorite hoops school, Adam Morrison was my favorite college player the last three years he played for Gonzaga so this deal means I just may become a fan again.

I’ve got two Laker tickets left. March 6th, Friday against the Timberwolves or April 14th, Tuesday against the Jazz. Which game can you make?

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

The Friday game

I can make March 6 if that’s cool. Thanks!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Bad Luck for Ray Allen

The ball just slipped out of his hands on that inbounds pass, but credit Ginobli for somehow inducing a breakaway foul.

Man, I hate rooting for San Antonio, but it had to be done today.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

When are we moving

onto the fireman role. Looks like Gagne squashed Smiling Sammy but I want a crack at Sherry, Perry, Regan, Howe, and Brewer. I could see votes for all five of those guys. I assume Iron Man Mike is not eligible with only two seasons?.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

Working on it

If I remember correctly, Mike Marshall I qualifies based on games finished.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Teams with Legit Title Chances

I think there are only 5 teams that can win the title:

Lakers
Cavs
Celtics
Spurs
Magic

I could probably be talked into Portland, but it might depend on what they do at the trade deadline.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

Zach Randolf

has the softest shot I’ve ever seen in basketball. The ball always just seems to float through the net. Did you catch any of us act the last two nights?

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

I don't always get Clipper broadcasts here

Sometimes one of the SD channels carries the games, but I haven’t really seen them. I’m moving next weekend so I’ll have access to LA stations after that.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't

bet against Paul and Utah could be interesting if they get some players back.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 12:27 PM PST reply actions  

Big Z

I have always been fond of Ilgauskas. I forget…did he play with Terrell Brandon for a year or two?

Anyone remember the SI cover with Brandon with something ridiculous like “Best PG ever?” on the cover?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions  

Not "ever"

Just “”http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/featured/9572/index.htm" >The best point guard in the NBA." In 1997.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Brandon - Big Z

Brandon and Big Z never played together. Brandon left after 96-97, and Big Z started the next year.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

You guys are gonna hate me for this, but go Cavs!

by Linix129 on Feb 8, 2009 12:49 PM PST reply actions  

I don't hate you

I’m just wishing I’ll will against you. :)

Spurs fan, huh? Well I rooted for them this morning, so come on! Western Conference pride! :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Even with my roots here, I just can’t do it hah

by Linix129 on Feb 8, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeff Van Gundy

I didn’t really have an opinion of him as a coach, but I love him as an announcer. He makes great observations, has a great sense of humor, and has good rapport with Mark Jackson.

I kind of laugh that he almost always says “Bryant” or “James” instead of Kobe/Lebron, the more common and generally accepted names.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions  

Its a good thing that the Knicks aren’t ever on national tv cause there would be triple bias there.

by Linix129 on Feb 8, 2009 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

I love Phil Jackson

Basically just said it’s cool ig Big Z keeps getting shots, he’ll miss them eventually.

It was kind of a complimentary insult, if there is such a thing.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

Again, hopefully not a jinx...

Best Laker Road Trips, 5 Games or Longer (sorted by wins)
2008: 7-2
2000: 6-0
2009: 5-0 (today is 6th and final game)

1991: 5-0
1986: 5-1
2006: 5-1
1977: 5-2
1990: 5-3
1979: 5-3

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

Someone's Going to Turn an Ankle

eventually this season because of the weird sunken in bench areas below the court.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

Hope to end the half strong

That got to a 10-point lead out of nowhere. A huge two minutes here.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

OK that was awful

Cut it to 6, only to have a retarded turnover to get the lead back to 10 at half.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

So is Morrison going to play center?

by Linix129 on Feb 8, 2009 1:39 PM PST reply actions  

He looks like a rapist now.

by Linix129 on Feb 8, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions  

As a sophmore

he had a crew cut. I was interesting to watch the hair grow each year along with the talent. I could see him taking more minutes away from Walton, all depends how he blends in with Phil’s system. Triangle might be perfect for his skills. Unlike Rad who strictly a shooter, Morrison is a scorer who can put it in the hoop in a number of ways. No doubt he will struggle on defense but again that is the same as Rad.

I liked him just because he could play big time hoop basketball as a diabetic. I was quite surprised he turned into the best college player in the country by the time he left.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Are they trying to build the

James / Kobe rivalry like Magic / Bird?

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

Seems like it

A Finals matchup would do more for that though.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

LeBron

Looks good in that Cleveland Brown uniform. Love the Heisman look at the end.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

It’s probably too late for that.

by Linix129 on Feb 8, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

Considering Kobe is already 30 and LeBron is 25.

by Linix129 on Feb 8, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

re:

True, they don’t have the college link which really made it special even if Bird was several years older then Magic.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah and they both started around the same time, and were basically linked through their careers.

by Linix129 on Feb 8, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Phil's Premonition About Big Z

starting to come true?

A few jumpers missed in !3 plus those two missed FT.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

Marko Jaric

was the worse finisher I ever saw.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

The team now has a PG

I can’t wait for the team party…wives invited of course.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The Lakers

are a Camby short of competing for the World Championship with Bynum out again.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

They can win with their current roster

even if Bynum doesn’t come back.

You just want to see Odom back as a Clipper. :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

re:

I don’t think they can win the title with the current roster.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

That seems weird

considering they got to the finals last year with the same roster, and now have a full training camp together. Boston is older, and the Bynum advantage isn’t as needed against Cleveland as it is against Boston.

Lakers are still the best team in the West (sorry, Spurs).

Plus, I think Bynum will be back since no surgery is needed.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

re:

Given Bynum’s history I don’t think you can count on him at all. Kobe’s also older, Fisher also older, the same logic applies to both teams. The difference is that Boston has better younger players. This team will need more defense, once Odom and Gasol start seeing hard defensive basketball Kobe has to do more and more. Can he maybe, but he can’t count on Odom having a game like this in a tough playoff series.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I sort of agree

With Bynum, the Lakers are prohibitive favorites to win it all.

Without him, they are in the discussion but clearly not favorites. I think the club has pretty much already said they aren’t trading Odom since they don’t want to bring in anyone else midseason that would have to learn the triangle.

So what we have (plus Morrison and Brown) is what we have, and we just have to hope Bynum comes back. But without him we aren’t dead at all.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

re:

No, not dead at all. Very competitive, might happen but I’d be betting on Boston right now with the current rosters available.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd take Cleveland in the east

just because they match up better with Boston, or more specifically the Lebron advantage (increased in the playoffs when he’s playing 48 minutes a game).

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

re:

Because you and know this is not the Odom you will see in May/June.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Just read this

Clips have achieved NBA history

While recapping tonight’s game, ESPN said that with the two wins, the Clips are the first team in NBA history to be 25 games under .500 yet win two consecutive games on the road by more than 20 points… who woulda thunk it?

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions  

Wow

That’s an obscure and awesome record.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you just see the Sabean quote on the bottom line?

I’ll try to find the quote online, but I don’t remember Colletti ever questioning Manny’s “warts” or “all-around” play in public.

We already knew this but Manny WILL be a Dodger.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:22 PM PST reply actions  

Full Sabean quote
“It’s going to take a special set of circumstances. It’s not going to be a long-term contract. It’s not going to be at the dollars being speculated. It’s going to have to make business sense and it’s going to have to make baseball sense with a player who certainly has a tremendous upside in the end and some warts that still leave him on the market because of what his lack of all-around play is and what his past has been in previous organizations.”

Story here.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I just posted a link to his comments over at DT. I’m very surprised at how candid Brian’s remarks were…

Paul Lo Duca is MLB's Pablo Escobar..

by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 8, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

re:

I saw him score 33 points in his debut. That may still be his career high.

by meercatjohn on Feb 8, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Defense doesn't necessarily = points allowed

since pace often determines the score, and points per possession are a better indicator. However, the Lakers gave up 32 in the first 12 minutes, and have given up only 45 points in the 27.5 minutes since.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

Josh Powell

playing some quality minutes today.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

Amazing Game

Kind of crazy that Kobe went 9 minutes into the 4th quarter without really touching the ball (the first 6 minutes on the bench).

That fall away brought some rain with it!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:51 PM PST reply actions  

Kobe's last shot...

Jordan-esque?

Paul Lo Duca is MLB's Pablo Escobar..

by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 8, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Almost

Kobe didn’t push off though. :)

(kidding)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Van Gundy & Jackson

have been commenting about how Kobe’s not at 100% this game. Are they referring to his finger or is there something else I’m missing?

Paul Lo Duca is MLB's Pablo Escobar..

by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 8, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions  

Don't fret Cleveland

23-1 is still good at home. :)

See you again in June.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

Not on our watch ;)

by Linix129 on Feb 8, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

Well, sure

You’ll get to watch the two Spurs home games during the Western Conference Finals. :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 8, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s all we’ll need, it will be a sweep (knocks on wood)

by Linix129 on Feb 8, 2009 3:27 PM PST reply actions  

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