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The All-Time LA Dodger Team: The Fireman (Closer, Part II)

All-Time Lineup#1 | #2 | #3 | #4 | #5 | #6 | #7 | #8
All-Time Starting Pitchers#1 | #2 | #3 | #4 | #5
All-Time BullpenCloser

I thought Takashi Saito had a shot for the modern closer role, but it was "Game Over" going against Eric Gagne.

All-Time LA Dodger Bullpen

No Player Pos
38 Eric Gagne
Closer
    Fireman
    RH Setup
    LH Setup

The next spot is for the closer before closers became closers.  The Fireman.  The smoke jumper.  The guy you bring in with the game on the line, whether it's in the 4th or the 9th inning.  This ace reliever type of usage was prominent before Dennis Eckersley came along, so or this spot we will focus on the period 1958-1987.  Here are the men during that period with 75 or more games finished.

Closer Years GF IP W-L Saves ERA+ WHIP
Jim Brewer 1964-1975 302 822.1 61-51 125 126 1.128
Ron Perranoski
61-67,1972 273 766.2 54-41 101 131 1.302
Charlie Hough 1970-1980 222 799.2 47-46 60 102 1.323
Tom Niedenfuer
1981-1987 169 440.1 30-28 64 127 1.181
Mike Marshall   
1974-1976 152 380.1 28-29 42 113 1.244
Steve Howe    1980-1985 149 328.2 24-25 59 149 1.156
Larry Sherry   
1958-1963 137 505.2 34-25 39 111 1.389
Bob Miller    1964-1967 120 597.2 29-33 24 104 1.231
Ken Howell 1984-1987 103 290.0 18-28 31 91 1.355
Pete Mikkelsen  
1969-1972 93 275.0 24-17 20 104 1.189
Ed Roebuck 1958-1963 81 329.1 22-10 22 116 1.372
Phil Regan  
1966-1968 78 220.1 22-10 27 139 1.178

Eric's Pick

Do I want to add yet another Cy Young winner to our bullpen, with Mike Marshall?  It is quite tempting, given that Marshall's 1974 is just a mind-blowing season.  However, he was only a Dodger for 3 seasons.  Larry Sherry had the best World Series by a reliever in 1959 (two wins, two saves).  Or do I go with "The Vulture" Phil Regan, 14-1 for the pennant winners in 1966?  Well, he was only here for 3 seasons too.  Ron Perranoski and Jim Brewer had multiple seasons of success in LA, so they are attractive options too.

I'm picking Ron Perranoski.  Not only did he have four seasons of 20+ VORP (Brewer had two, and Marhsall & Regan each had one great year and nothing else), but he was the ace reliever on two championship teams (1963 & 1965).  Also, since money is tight for our all-time team, we will save money by having a pitching coach already on staff.

Phil's Pick

I like Eric's pick of Perry just so I can tell a quick story. Many years ago back when baseball card collecting was at it's peak I was attending a game and sat in front of some fans who talked and talked about their baseball card collection. The Dodgers then did their Dodger Trivia question back when it took a brain cell or two to answer it. Who was the Dodger pitcher who went 16-3 in 1963 was the question that night?  While everyone else was saying Koufax or Drysdale I whispered to my friends it was Perranoski. The guys behind me scoffed at my ignorance telling me that he was a reliever and could never have won 16 games. I grinned and suggested to them that they should try reading the back of the baseball cards they collected with such enthusiasm. That record had been been imbedded in my brain since the age of 8.

Just looking at the list before hitting the books I had it in order of Howe, Brewer, and Perry.  Iron Mike and Regan only had the one great year for us. Regan went 14 -1 in 66 but was gone by the middle of 68.  Regan is an interesting story all by himself with that 14 - 1 record. He was called the "Vulture" for a very good reason.   Steve Howe had sick stuff and from the time he came up until his drug addiction downfall he was the best I'd seen as a Dodger at closing out games.  Jim Brewer didn't start out like Howe and Perry as he played 2nd fiddle to Perry and Regan until by attrition he became the fireman in 1968.. During his tenure as Dodger fireman  from 1968 - 1973  Jim Brewer was the 4th best relief pitcher in baseball according to ERA+. Steve Howe during his supreme reign of 1980 - 1983 was also the 4th best relief pitcher in baseball . Perranoski from 1961 - 1967 was the 5th best relief pitcher in baseball during that reign. 

So with all that in mind I move Howe to 3rd because of his shorter reign of terror. Brewer moves to 2nd because he was the man during the teams crappy years. Perranoski  also comes out on top for me because he could match the above two in quality, beat both of them in length, and had 2 World Championships, plus 3 World Series appearances. At least that is what the numbers say but today I'm going with my instinct and that tells me  Howe is the guy I want.

But what about Larry Sherry one of the few Dodgers who I know nothing about other then having watched in awe the video of his performance in the 1959 World Series. Turns out 1959 was an outlier but what an outlier. At some point we will have a poll of greatest single season fireman seasons and his 1959 will be right up there when you add in his MVP World Series heroics.

Niedenfuer might get some votes if not for the tragic end of 1985. I always thought 1988 was payback for 1985 but I think I'd rather have seen the 85 team win because I liked so many of those players. Stupid Steve Howe and his drug addiction. What a rotation.

Charlie Hough deserves a mention. We once signed a free agent name Don Stanhouse to be our closer and his nickname was fullpack because he'd make you smoke. Stanhouse came and went but Hough pitched for a long time. He always made me nervous but unlike Stanhouse he got the job done. He was our guy in 77/78 as Reggie Jackson can attest.

Just a quick side note, Jim Brewer died very young. Or at least I like to think he died very young since he died at the age of 50. Steve Howe died recently in an automobile accident. Both Jim Brewer and Ron Perranoski were traded by the Cubs to us early in their careers. Regan was traded to the Cubs after his Dodger career.  Lots of Dodger/Cubs going on in regards to our relief pitching in the 60's.

Poll
Who is the Fireman Reliever on the All-Time LA Dodger Team?
Jim Brewer
12 votes
Ron Perranoski
50 votes
Charlie Hough
4 votes
Tom Niedenfuer
5 votes
Mike Marshall
33 votes
Steve Howe
31 votes
Larry Sherry
5 votes
Bob Miller
0 votes
Ken Howell
1 votes
Pete Mikkelsen
0 votes
Ed Roebuck
1 votes
Phil Regan
3 votes

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Howe?

My reaction to your choice of Howe is:

1) What?
2) Who?
3) Why?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 9, 2009 1:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was making a(n unfunny) joke

How? What? Who? Why?

Stupid grammar humor.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 9, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I see Mike Marshall

getting some votes. Just remember folks when Iron Man Mike had a chance to shine in the limelight he stubbornly refused to warm up during a delay then threw a gimme fastball to Rudi who sent it out of the park and that was the ballgame.

When Steve Howe was in the same limelight just remember he pitched 3 innings to win game 4 in one of the greatest postseason games in Dodger history.

If you had both warming up, who would you bring into the 8th inning?

by meercatjohn on Feb 9, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

re:

Just for fun, check out my link to the game mentioned above and notice who played 3rd base for the Yankee’s in that game. Who knew A Rod was playing way back in 1981. No wonder he needed steroids in 2003 to compete.

by meercatjohn on Feb 9, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Indeed. How many teams won a world series game when their starting pitcher didn’t make it out of the 1st inning? I was going to college and listened to this game on the radio. By the time Johnstone hit the home run I had to leave my class because I couldn’t take the excitement. That comeback is one of my top 5 Dodger moments. When Sporky says Squee, that is what I think of.

by meercatjohn on Feb 9, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I never saw any of these guys pitch

so I went with Ron, because he had the best numbers. Never even heard of him to be frank.

by trainwreck84 on Feb 9, 2009 2:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I forgot you're young :)

Perranoski was pitching coach for a lot of the Lasorda years, and that’s how I knew of him first.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 9, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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That is the kind of statement that killed Jim Brewer at age 50.

by meercatjohn on Feb 9, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Howe

My oh my!

What Steve Howe could have done! Canned Heat!

Later, he did some good things with the Yankees.
The drugs were just too much for the guy.

Ouu-ouu that smell … Can’t you smell that smell …

Poor Howe, he just couldn’t say no … resulting in a flipped pick up truck in Montana to end it all.

Campy flipped his car too. After closing up is liquor store in the wee hours.

What a waste of talent.

by 68elcamino427 on Feb 9, 2009 2:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Brewer

I know nothing of him, but he has the top numbers. But Phil says “he was the man during the teams crappy years”. He was on the team 12 years – didn’t the Dodgers win the pennant in 65, 66 and 74? Including the series in 65? These were all crappy years?

by berkowit28 on Feb 9, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

"the man"

Brewer was the main closer only from 1967-73,

by Eric Stephen on Feb 9, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

re:
During his tenure as Dodger fireman from 1968 – 1973 Jim Brewer was the 4th best relief pitcher in baseball according to ERA+.

Mentions specifically the years I was referring to.

by meercatjohn on Feb 9, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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