Piazza vs. Bench vs. Pudge
Sky Kalkman, of SB Nation's own excellent Beyond The Box Score, wrote a terrific breakdown of three all-time great catchers for The Hardball Times. Kalkman used the recently released historical WAR Database from Sean Smith, creator of the CHONE projection system and Angels blogger.
What's interesting to me is that Mike Piazza's offensive advantage over Johnny Bench is equal to Bench's defensive advantage over Piazza. And Pudge II holds up better that I thought in comparison to the two. Give this article a read when you get a chance.
about 3 years ago
Eric Stephen
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Offensive
numbers are quantifiable. Defensive Catching metrics? Curious to see how the historical great subjective defensive catchers like Yeager, Sundberg, Grote rate.
Some numbers
Pudge II +152
Sundberg +114
Bench +97 runs above replacement on defense
Yeager +70
Grote +21
Piazza -67
by Eric Stephen on Mar 13, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That database
is going to be fun. I always thought Lou Whitiker was better then he got credit for. 72 wins and he ranks higher then any Dodgers.
Dodgers top 300 in wins above replacement according to Sean Smith based.
Murray (70)
Manny (65)
Reggie (65)
Sheffield (65)
Randolf (63)
D Allen (62)
W Davis(59) Highest for any lifetime Dodger
Kent (59)
Piazza(58)
A Jones(58) ha
Ventura(58)
Ken Boyer(57)
Toy Cannon(57)
McGriff(53)
Cey (51)
Gonzo(49)
Butler(48)
Nomar(44)
Finley(44)
Strawberry(43)
Al Oliver(41)
Lopes(41)
Wills(39)
JD Drew(39)
Frank Howard(38)
Gibson(37)
Fairly(37) – surprise
Garvey(35)
Madlock(35)
Beltre(34)
Dusty(34)
Jose Valentin(34) Surprise
Rick Monday(34)
P Guerrero (34)
Gilliam(33)
E Davis(33)
Brian Jordan(33) ??
S Green(32)
Snider (32) only from 55 on
McMullen (32)
Tom Haller(30)
Ron Hunt(30)
Tim Wallach(29)
Furcal (28)
Mondesi(27)
I love it.
I’m not a big fan of career WAR, though. 6 WAR, to me, is much more impressive than three 2 WAR seasons.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Mar 13, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Love the signature
Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy
:)
by Eric Stephen on Mar 13, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey Eric
Is our Braves’ second rounder concrete at #56? I don’t think Byrd or Gruds will sign with anyone.
So that means we’ve got:
36
56
65
Correct me if I’m wrong, please.
Yeah
If Byrd, Grudz, and Sheets all go unsigned before the draft, those are our picks.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 13, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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