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Thinking About the Rotation

The Dodgers' rotation has been pretty good thus far. They have the lowest ERA and FIP in the NL, even with Hiroki Kuroda making only one start so far this season. Still, their numbers are based on unsustainable 5.3% HR/FB ratio, the lowest in the major leagues (the average is around 10%). Once more balls start going over the fence, the ERA won't look quite as sparkly. The starters also have allowed a collective .269 BABIP, the second lowest in the majors. Once we start to see some regression in these numbers, a starting pitcher may seem like a much more urgent need. There's been some murmurs that the pitching could be upgraded and Colletti has said that he expects to look for more arms first. So how will our rotation shake out? Here are the numbers for our starters so far:

Starts IP W L ERA FIP
Billingsley 8 54.2 5 1 2.30 2.95
Wolf 8 48.2 2 1 2.77 3.80
Kershaw 7 38.0 1 3 5.21 4.16
Stults 6 32.2 4 1 3.58 3.83
Weaver 2 10.0 1 0 3.60 3.38
McDonald 4 13.1 1 1 8.78 7.83
Kuroda 1 5.2 1 0 1.59 3.01
Totals 36 203.0 15 7 3.64 3.89

After the jump we'll take a look at the Dodgers' rotation options.

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Chad Billingsley: Obviously, he's the ace of the rotation. There's no reason to think he won't continue to pitch well unless there is an injury of some sort. He's a candidate for the Verducci Effect but it certainly hasn't mattered yet. Eventually Billingsley will start giving up some more home runs (only 0.16 HR/9 and a 3.93 x-FIP) but he should continue to be the best option the Dodgers have.

Randy Wolf: Wolf has exceeded all expectations with a 2.77 ERA, although his 3.80 FIP shows that he hasn't actually been quite that good. He also has only alllowed a 2.43 BABIP once that regresses to the mean Wolf should be more like the average pitcher that he really is. Wolf has had numerous injury problems in the past so it's possible that one of the minor leaguers will be filling in for him in the future.

Clayton Kershaw: Kershaw's start has been disappointing for many Dodger fans, with some commenters suggesting he should be demoted to the minors after his last game. But a look at Kershaw's 4.20 FIP shows that he has been decent thus far. His 9.24 K/9 ratio is the highest of any of the starters but he has been victimized by a 64.7 LOB%, a figure that he will improve on in the future. Here's a recent article at Fangraphs documenting Kershaw's bad luck.

Eric Stults: Stults has looked pretty good so far but actually has below average walk and strikeout ratio's (3.86 BB/9 and 5.51 K/9). His success has been based on a completely unsustainable 2.1% HR/FB rate an pitching against some extremely weak lineups (5 of his 6 starts have been against the Giants and D-Backs, the two worst hitting teams in the majors). Stults' 5.50 x-FIP is actually worse than any starter on the Dodgers except for McDonald. He's an okay option as a #5 starter, but expecting anything more out of him would be wishful thinking.

Hiroki Kuroda: Kuroda has been hurt since Opening Day and still might not be back for awhile. His return would be huge in stabilizing the rotation once some of the other starters start performing closer to expectations. He went on the DL last year too though so I wouldn't count on him as a lock to stay healthy the rest of the season. Kuroda's numbers in his Dodger career would easily make him our #2 starter.

Eric Milton: Milton has been called up and will start for the Dodgers on Saturday against the Marlins. He hasn't pitched since having elbow ligament replacement surgery in 2007 and hasn't had an ERA below five since 2004. He does have a 2.83 ERA with a 4.50 K/BB ratio in AAA this year. Unless he has redicovered his pre-2003 form, It would probably be bad if he is expected to be in the rotation for any length of time.

Jeff Weaver: Weaver is probably the best of the veteran retreads, but it seems he has already lost his chance. Despite Weaver's 4.55 x-FIP with the Dodgers I guess he hasn't eaten enough innings to satisfy Torre.

James McDonald: McDonald was the original 5th starter but his control problems quickly cost him his job. McDonald was sent down to AAA yesterday and will try to figure things out. McDonald had a 0.43 K/BB ratio and a 7.88 FIP so his struggles weren't due to bad luck.

Josh Lindblom: Lindblom was only drafted last year but already looks like he could be a fixture in the rotation in the future. There was a possibility that he could start with the team after spring training but when that didn't work out he was assigned to AA Chattanooga. His 4.76 ERA in 28.2 innings belies his great peripherals. He's got 25 strkeouts and only 3 walks thus far. Lindlbom has the best chance of anyone in the minors of being an above average starter in 2009.

Shawn Estes/Claudio Vargas: Estes has a 3.61 ERA with a 2.75 K/BB ratio in AAA this year. He's also 36, has had injury problems the last three years, and hasn't been any good in the majors since 2002. Vargas is okay as rotation depth and has been a decent #5 starter in the past but has been out the whole season because of problems with his elbow. He is currently on 60-day DL.

Jason Schmidt: Schmidt has been out nearly two years and shouldn't be counted on to contribute at all this year. That said, he is rehabbing and progessing and it's possible that he could join the rotation at some point. Torre said of Schmidt, "He's continuing to build momentum... I think he's still a ways away".

Alternatives: So, what else can we do? Other than trying Ramon Troncoso out as a starter, there's not many other options with the club. Is this rotation good enough? I think we can win the West with it, but we certainly don't have much depth. If one of the top four starters is hurt, we could even end up starting Stults or Milton in the playoffs. There are still some veteran free agent starters, including Pedro Martinez, Paul Byrd, and Odalis Perez. Ben Sheets could potentially be an impact option sometime around the All-Star break. As for trades there are lots of starting pitchers that could be traded around the trading deadline. Headliners could be Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Jake Peavy, and Erik Bedard. These guys will all take top talent to land though.

There's still lots of time to figure out solutions but improving the rotation could be Ned Colletti's biggest challenge this season.

 

Poll
Ideally, what happens to our rotation this year?
Leave it as is. Once Kuroda returns, we'll be good.
94 votes
Bring Lindblom up and put him in the rotation.
28 votes
Sign one of the veteran free agents and/or try Milton and Estes.
37 votes
Make a trade for an upgrade.
103 votes
Other (specify in comments)
5 votes

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If Silverwidow is right Milton could normalize the Home Rate all by himself.

by meercatjohn on May 15, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha

Unfortunately that doesn’t mean the rest of our starters won’t regress as well.

by Brendan Scolari on May 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Observed one scout: "There’s plenty of pitching available. None you’d want."

by meercatjohn on May 15, 2009 1:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I saw that quote.

I don’t really understand what he’s referring to.

by Brendan Scolari on May 15, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he means alot of teams have made pitchers available but if your looking for an upgrade none of them would fit that category. I don’t think the names you mentioned, have been made available at this time.

by meercatjohn on May 15, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it also refers to Byrd, Odalis, Pedro etc.

by David Young on May 15, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with his notion then

Lots of teams are running out worse guys than those three, including the Dodgers.

by Brendan Scolari on May 15, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he’s an Angel scout. They have been amazing pulling garbage into the rotation and still staying close to 1st. Now the will be getting Santana and Lackey back this weekend, with Escobar by the all-star game. That is a load of talent to add back into the rotation.

by meercatjohn on May 15, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's true.

He still seeems to be implying that no teams would want the guys available though.

by Brendan Scolari on May 15, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clearly there’s a downside to the available FA pitchers, or they wouldn’t be available. Health (e.g., Sheets), money (Pedro), makeup (Odalis), HGH (Byrd), etc.

OK, HGH is a cheap shot.

by David Young on May 15, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Milton actually, given that he could have opted out at any time.

I’m a little surprised Milton didn’t try San Diego. They are without a doubt desperate for pitching of any kind and Petco would help suppress his gopher-ball tendencies.

by David Young on May 15, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he doesn’t want to be on a 60 win team? He’s old enough, he might want to be part of a winning franchise.

by meercatjohn on May 15, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then again, it is possible San Diego was not interested.

by meercatjohn on May 15, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

And he has one good-sized free agent contract under his belt, and hopefully well invested.

by David Young on May 15, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course not.

I’m guessing that they will be available at the deadline though. No one is going to trade a top fliht starting pitcher this early in the season.

by Brendan Scolari on May 15, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great writeup, I think you covered everyone. Of all the trade candidates the two I think we match up with are Seattle for Bedard and Cleveland for Lee. Seattle will need a 3rd baseman and quite possibly a SS, and some young pitching heading into 2010. DeWitt/DeJesus could be part of that package but Bedard would really have to prove he’s healthy.

Just a shame they traded Adam Jones and Chris Tillman for Bedard. That would have been like us trading Matt Kemp and Kershaw the winter of 2007. Tillman is not Kershaw but he’s quite a talent.

by meercatjohn on May 15, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, but which prospects does Mark Shapiro wrangle out of Ned for Lee and cash to cover his contract?

by David Young on May 15, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The cost could be high.

I’d rather sign Sheets and hope he can help in Sept/Oct.

by meercatjohn on May 15, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seattle

I think if we make a deal with Seattle, it would be for Washburn. I don’t know if a big deal is in the works. Washburn is in the final year of his deal, making $10.35m, and won’t cost much (unless of course we don’t want to take on salary).

by Eric Stephen on May 15, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Ned will think of Washburn as an upgrade. I think if he makes a move it will be with the playoffs in mind and Washburn wouldn’t even pitch if we made the playoffs. It we deal with Seattle I’d expect it to be Bedard as the target.

by meercatjohn on May 15, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

At least I hope Washburn isn’t a target unless we give up next to nothing for him.

by Brendan Scolari on May 15, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lets get Pedro!

He had tremendous success during the WBC and can keep Manny entertained when he gets back! If this guy wants to play, and I think he does, we just need $3-5M for the rest of the year and that is small potatoes compared to trading away the farm for a potential bust like Schmidt! If the Dodgers are serious about going to the fall classic you need 3 strong pitchers and right now we have maybe 2 (Billngsley and Wolf). We allready can hit like St Louis but it rarely gets you to the World Series without the arms…

by Deano's B and G on May 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Welcome to True Blue.

I think Pedo would be fine but he needs to lower his price tag. Even 2-3 million could be considered too much in this environment.

by Brendan Scolari on May 15, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the welcome mat fellow Dodger Faithful! Go Blue..

If Manny is worth $25M, and none of us seemed to have a problem with that during the spring, an inning eater with a low era (3.5 or so and below) is worth at least $3M…dont ya think? If Frank would stop spending money on upgrading the field level concessions at Dodger Stadium we could easily afford another pitcher. (I do love those Garlic Fries though..)

BTW sure is fun having a team that hits the crap out of the ball isnt it?? :)

by Deano's B and G on May 15, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Is Pedro an inning eater? He didn’t prove that in the WBC. If anyone thought he could be an innings eater and give us the 3.5 ERA he’d have been signed months ago. Not saying he’s not a possible answer but the cost will be McCourts dollars to find out.

by meercatjohn on May 15, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he would have a 3.5 ERA

He would be worth much more than 3 million. But last year his ERA was 5.26 and his FIP was 5.18, so I don’t think he’ll be anywhere near that.

by Brendan Scolari on May 15, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say nobody had a problem with giving Manny $25MM

I mean, its not my money, so assuming Frank has it and was willing to spend it, I couldn’t care less. But there were some dissenting opinions regarding giving Manny that much money, or whether he was worth it.

My concerns with Manny was his age, his knees and his well-know behavioral problems—- I did not see a 50 game suspension coming by any means. I argued over at DT (at the beginning of the offseason) that the Dodgers should sign both Pat Burrell and Adam Dunn for the price of Manny and trade Loney+ for Dan Uggla ( I don’t think my proposal had much support.) However, at this point I though Manny was going to get somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 years at $25MM per. I didn’t really come around to really wanting to sign Manny until Burrel and later Dunn were off the market. Even then, seeing what Burrell got (2 years 8 per) I didn’t think Manny was three times better than Burrell.

Regarding Pedro, the same thing as before. It’s not my money, so if Frank is willing to give him $5MM and it doesn’t hurt us later (e.g not locking up Chad or something) then by all means. If it were my money, I’d rather take a flier on Sheets.

by Michael White on May 15, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

was he hurt last year?

that is what I recall…were’nt the scouts pretty excited about the way he pitched in the WBC?

by Deano's B and G on May 15, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought scouts weren't all that impressed buy his WBC work

Pedro got guys out, but I seem to recall that his velocity was underwhelming.

by David Young on May 15, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Sheets available now...

or is he pitching? As I recall he used to own the Dodgers

good post on manny’s value compared to pat burrell! Manny does have some intagibles though that have ignited a passion for the game for the younger Dodgers and it is really hard to put a price on that. He has brought fun back to baseball in LA!

After getting busted though, obviously it was not a good investment! To think that he gave away $8M is staggering!

by Deano's B and G on May 15, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

The logic on Sheets is that no team will touch him until after the draft this year, since he’s still considered a type A free agent (even though he’s hurt.)

by Michael White on May 15, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think their will be some bargainpaloozas down the stretch

Lots of small market teams are going to be making a lot less money, and even the checks from the big market teams will be smaller. I’m thinking we will be able to pick up an ace for some cash and a rookie with unproven potential.

by Dodger Dude on May 15, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions  

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Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
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SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
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IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 37 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
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TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$112,162,432

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63 Jose Ascanio rhp
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61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
60 Matt Chico lhp
29
35 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
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