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¿Quién Es Más Macho: 1911 Tigers or 2009 Dodgers?

Arizona Diamondbacks at Los Angeles Dodgers, May 5, 2009 7:10 PM PDT


The Dodgers, winners of a National League record 11 straight at home to start their season, look to tie the 1911 Tigers tonight with their 12th straight win.  One way these two teams are similar is the production from their outfield.

The 1911 Detroit Tigers featured two Hall of Famers in their outfield, 31-year old Sam Crawford in left and 24-year old Ty Cobb in center.  Cobb was amazing, leading the league in batting average, hits, doubles, triples, steals, runs, RBI, slugging percentage, total bases, OPS, OPS+, and wOBA, on his way to winning the MVP award.  Left field featured a platoon with Delos Drake and Davy Jones, but in total this outfield didn't Monkee around.

This year's Dodgers feature an outfield that is tearing up the league, leading all of baseball in hits, runs, doubles, homers, RBI, walks, total bases, batting average, slugging, OBP, OPS and OPS+.

Here is a breakdown of the starting outfielders for both teams.

Player PA BA OBP SLG OPS+ wOBA
Cobb, CF
654 .420 .467 .621 196 .524
Crawford, RF
648 .378 .438 .526 163 .456
Jones, LF 391 .273 .354 .302 80 .335
Drake, LF
343 .279 .324 .375 91 .340
Tigers Totals 2036 .355 .412 .489 146 .435
Player PA BA OBP SLG OPS+ wOBA
Manny, LF 112 .360 .500 .663 201 .481
Ethier, RF 119 .316 .429 .571 159 .423
Kemp, CF 108 .298 .380 .532 135 .404
Dodgers Totals   339 .324 .437 .586 164 .436

It's certainly too early in the season to put the 2009 Dodger outfield on par with one that featured two Hall of Famers.  However, in the early going, Manny, Kemp, and Ethier have certainly done their best imitation, and that's a major reason why the Dodgers have the best record in baseball.

Of course, to match the 12-game home winning streak of those 1911 Tigers, there is the little matter of tonight's game.  Max Scherzer and Jeff Weaver face off at Dodger Stadium at 7:10pm on KCAL.

Get your guesses in for "Just A Bit Outside" here.

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will tonight be the First loss at home?

Me thinks not!

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Why does Vin

pronounce his name “Shirt-zer”? I thought it was “Sure-zer”

by silverwidow on May 5, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Probably just an old school German Z

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ever since your comment

All I can hear is “Shirts-er”…make it stop!!!! :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

same lineup as last night

Except for Stults. That would be a story if he started two in a row:

Raffy SS
O-Dog 2B
MannyBManny LF
3.5 RF
Crazy Legs 1B
Backstop Bacon C
Bison CF
Beard 3B
Spicoli P

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Wanted to change things up

Maybe less blasphemy will help end the slump :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should have just went with Coltrane.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just as long

as it’s not Jinx Martin.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you saying he could do worse?

by meercatjohn on May 5, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just meant cause it’s so jinx-y. Or something.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tonight

The J stands for “Jefe”

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve never liked GG anyway. Coltrane was the best nickname given his background and all.

by meercatjohn on May 5, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whenever I read 'Golden God'

I always thought of Almost Famous.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's worse?

That I haven’t seen Almost Famous, Reservoir Dogs, or Top Gun?

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

They should re-release Top Gun to the big screen.

by meercatjohn on May 5, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

RESEVOIR. DOGS.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Abreu

has been assigned to Double-A Chattanooga

by silverwidow on May 5, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Man I hope he can stay healthy for 30 days.

by meercatjohn on May 5, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Why?

Firstly, how do you know this, did Joe announce something to this effect? Second, why? He’s not young, there’s nothing that needs preserving here. If he’s cruising, why not let the bullpen breathe some more?

Am I overlooking something?

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was reported Saturday

by Rich Hammond of the Daily News.

As for a why, I believe it’s about building up arm strength since he was mostly used as a reliever through spring training and up until about 10-14 days ago. And part of having a 13-man pitching staff is to not have to let them breathe.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

When he has 75 pitches in the fourth inning you will understand why.

by meercatjohn on May 5, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do we get a Brent Leach sighting tonight?

He’s not a great prospect or anything, but it’s fun to watch a major league debut.

by silverwidow on May 5, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Just checked my TBLA Sportsbook

And Leach getting into the game tonight is currently going for -140.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Nat’s probably wouldn’t mind him. As most of baseball watches their bullpens implode we have some chits if Kuo is indeed available later this year. We haven’t talked about Kuo but the news has been interesting. No surgery but arthritic changes to his elbow due to the four surgeries. I’d like that explained in a little more detail.

by meercatjohn on May 5, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe

There has been limited news because Dr. ElAttrache is applying for a patent on naming this new experimental procedure. :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did the Dodgers skip

Christopher Withrow’s start? Nothing on Sunday or yesterday.

by silverwidow on May 5, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Last pitched on the 28th so he’s been due.

by meercatjohn on May 5, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ned Colletti

Scheduled to be on ESPN Radio (national) between 4:30 & 5:00

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

On the radio

Locally, 710 has the Denholm & Long show but NC will be on with John Seibel and Orestes Destrade, at about 4:25

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Media is blocked here

If you or anyone else can post some tibits, that would be awesome.

by silverwidow on May 5, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty vanilla interview

Colletti specifically mentioned he had all the confidence in Kemp, and that Loney’s power would come (he did joke that Loney might be the first 0 HR 100 RBI man). Also praised Bills and Ethier. He said he wanted good character guys that would fit in the clubhouse and that’s how/why Blake, Furcal, Loretta, Ausmus were targeted.

I’ll track down the podcast and post a link later.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should be living the high life right now with Hudson/Manny/Wolf/Ausmus/Loretta all paying dividends.

by meercatjohn on May 5, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weaver best be doing well tonight

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Kawakami has not been very Kuroda like so far. Braves have to be disappointed in what they have gotten from him.

by meercatjohn on May 5, 2009 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Beckett continues to get pounded this year.

by meercatjohn on May 5, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

To follow up on a point from yesterday

Carlos Guillen was placed on the DL today—- so it seems his poor production had to do with an injury.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 5:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I think someone was trying to take his picture, and Ethier got distracted

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad start

Ethier probably should have caught that.

by uclaisthebest123 on May 5, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Weaver working pitches down in the zone

I thought he should have gotten a few of those “ball” calls

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Me too

I think working low is the key to Weaver’s success. Of course, that’s pretty much the same for most pitchers.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weaver has a lot of movement

and I like the sidearm action, but it seems to me some of his breaking pitches spin like a cement mixer. He’s been good at keeping them down, but if starts getting them up he’s gonna get hammered.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Did he also ref the Laker game last night?

I didn’t see the game, but I assume that’s why the Lakers lost with all the talk radio callers I heard today. :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

If there were ever a submarine or sidearm knuckleballer, that might just be my favorite pitcher ever.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:20 PM PDT reply actions  

You're right

that’s the ultimate. I’d love to see that windup

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The key is the delivery

there have been a few ambidextrous guys but none who would surprise you mid-windup :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it could work

you would succeed only in making Dr. James Andrews even wealthier :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate it

when minor details ruin great plans!

My brothers convinced my mom to have me play little league left handed for a year. I played 2B…it was miserable.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

joba is lefthanded.. but his dad made him pitch righthanded

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

O-Dog: Bacon Saver

Ethier is having a bad night….I’ll chalk it up to the lights.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions  

For the record

I typed “bacon saver” before Vin said it :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank God for Hudson

Ethier went the wrong direction on that flyball, but thankfully Hudson got to it.

by uclaisthebest123 on May 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I can't watch the game.

But what is up with Ethier? Just late starts? Is he distracted by Myspace?

by Dr. Geek on May 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Maximillian

I knew Vin would bring that story full circle eventually. :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

2-0!

This line-up wastes no time scoring.

by Dr. Geek on May 5, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

My wife gets mad at me

when I call Loney the double play machine as Loney’s her favorite player.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Boom boom boom

Thanks for the run, D-Bags D-Backs (can’t be mean to the less fortunate).

by uclaisthebest123 on May 5, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Dodgers are getting all the breaks

that throw beat Martin, yet he ends up on 3B!

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I like it

Dodgers should be out of the inning, so play the house money and steal the base—- then move to 3rd.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions  

House Money

will end up being the title of the definitive book written about the 2009 Dodgers :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent

I assume you will be writing this book, right?

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll pull a Bill Simmons

and compile my 2009 articles into a book, with some minor editing. Cha-ching!!! :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Subtitled

“and you won’t have to see Kathy Bates naked in this book”

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

“oh, that’s why they call him Pumpkinhead!”

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

josh wilson = defensive stalwart

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

darn ducks redwings game.

i am unable to watch this dodgers game because of it.

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 7:40 PM PDT reply actions  

ducks redwings game is on primeticket

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

(the station where i watch all dodgers games because i live in las vegas)

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah. i live in las vegas, so i don't get this KCAL channel

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

My niece

is in the same boat as you. She watches a ton of games on PT in Vegas.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah.. its rare that something takes the place of a dodgers game.

i usually just watch the gamecast on yahoo when that happens.

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prediction

Red Wings win

by Linix129 on May 5, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

4K now

by Linix129 on May 5, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions  

35 through 2 for Weaver

He’ll need to be a bit more efficient if he wants to last 5 IP.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not going Thursday

but I want to get that transistor radio. Might have to check eBay.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Come on Raffy, please don’t strike out

by Linix129 on May 5, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

there went jeff's shot at batting a thousand for the year

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sell high!!!

I think we can get both Zimmerman(n)s from the Nats straight up for Weaver before tomorrow’s 7:10 start :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Tim

but he should shut up…too early

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

He does this every year

I remember him proclaiming the Diamondbacks dead one year. Naturally they won the West.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Tim Kurkjian now

by Linix129 on May 5, 2009 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

what is going on folks

man bankruptcy for my Phoenix Coyotes pretty down day over here.

by EdfromAZ on May 5, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Ojeda's strategy tonight

hit it near Ethier, get a hit.

(that was a sure single though)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

right when i drop him in our nl-only league

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

giving up hits to the opposing pitcher are okay in jeff's book

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

still got the out

but i’m not sure where the 2-2 pitch missed…

by bucknellbruin on May 5, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions  

NOOO!! weaver's era is higher than greinke's now

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Greinke is crazy good.

Can’t believe there was even rumors of Grienke for Jeff Francoeur in the off season.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kim Ng on Saturday

on Dodger Thoughts night at Dodger Stadium was asked by a youngster what she looks for most in a pitcher. Ng said “strike one.” She said that was key, and that there was a difference of about .120 points in OBP and about .080 in SLG. From the way she spoke about it, and the quickness of her answer, you could tell it was a mantra of sorts and that she often referred to this.

I decided to look it up:

2009 MLB
After 1-0: .274/.401/.454
After 0-1: .236/.283/.356

2008 MLB
After 1-0: .277/.393/.450
After 0-1: .234/.278/.357

Getting strike one is as old as dirt, but I never realized the stark difference in performance after the first pitch.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Moneyball had a passage to that extent as well.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

What are we going to about Loney?

His OBP is falling like a rock, and he doesn’t have any slugging to pick him up.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

"Falling like a rock"

It’s still early in the season…stats fluctuate too much. Sure, Loney’s OBP has gone from .427 to .374 (after 2 PA tonight) in a week, but remember a week before that he was at a .333 OBP and raised it to .427.

I’m not worried about Loney. At all.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

stuff like this cannot be seen through yahoo's gamecast :/

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd post a link to video

but I wouldn’t want to get into trouble.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

But you’ll have to install stuff.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://tinyurl.com/6n8p68

I didn’t post this.

Also, your computer needs to be able to run HD quality vids.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless you're using

the TV ants links, which is actulaly most of the feeds.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tonight's game is actually on TV lounge

A different website, and forces you to follow directions to install it correctly.

The quaility is great though.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is!

You just have to jump through hoops to get installed, and eats up physical memory like you wouldn’t believe(which its should, you’re playing HD stuff)

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

A short looper to CF

could have been a single, but Hudson covered the ground and dove to spear it to end the inning.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

64 pitches for Weaver.

Torre allows him to pitch another inning?

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I think so

Torre almost always lets his starters try to qualify for the win (even Stults, mostly)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

over/under on games need to win nl west: 84

i’ll take the over

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions  

The 1988 Dodgers

won games started by the following pitchers:

43-year old Don Sutton (6)
Shawn Hillegas (5)
Bill Kreuger
William Brennan

This seems like the type of list 2009 Jeff Weaver would be on

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I used to really like Weaver

I liked him in Detroit and didn’t understand the trade (at the time) that sent him to New York for Jeremy Bonderman. Since Bonderman pitched marvelously in the AL Playoffs two years ago, the Tigers surely got the better of the deal— especially considering Bonderman (though on the DL now) is still only 26 or so.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=lad

Ethier’s interview with Jim Rome is up. (Its video)

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks Tripon

I put the video up on our front page now

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Something is up with balls hit to RF tonight

Hudson and Ethier bump into one another.

That’s Ethier’s ball, but Ethier also has to watch for Hudson there.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions  

How is Ethier supposed to do that exactly?

You can’t take your eye off the ball as its on the way down. Hudson needs to bail out on that one.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mostly Hudson's fault

since he shouldn’t have been out there, but Ethier was running for the ball with blinders on. He has to at least be aware of the loud, yelling 2B near him.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah.. it happens :/

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Weaver

Still going strong? Well alright alright alright

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions  

78 pitches for Weaver

the error might cost Weaver a chance to get a win.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

He’s over the limit!

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Might be trying to scrap it out

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I won't say moxie lest everyone think I'm serious : )

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course it might just be veteran savvy

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Reynolds

is Weaver’s last batter, no matter what.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Manny shows Ethier how its done

All form by Manny there. I hope the kids out there learned a thing or two

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Mark Reynolds

I know strikeouts as a whole shouldn’t count more than any other out.

But damn, when you become the strikeout king, it has to eat at you.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Another K for Weaver!!

This is good because if Weaver gets yanked and doesn’t get the win it would have really hurt his Cy Young chances.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

85 pitches for Weaver!

Hope your arm doesn’t fall off after this Weaver, but hey, you earned it.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the beauty of scrap heap depth

If you overuse the toy you found at the dump and it breaks, you just throw it away and use the next one :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

snap

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll give Hudson credit for that

He hops around like he was Paul Pierce, then tried to bunt for a hit. The mind games of O-Dog!!!

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions  

nice basketball reference.. even if it was a boston celtics player

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should add

that Orlando Hudson actually has a soul, so the comparison wasn’t as apt.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ethier almost goes yard!

Arizona should bull Schezer, but their bullpen is a mess.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

wow. that inning went by fast

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just one more reason to love Troncoso.

Guy pitches fast, and he doesn’t waste pitches.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He tried to sell that 1-2 swing by Young

to the 1B ump by walking off the mound, but to no avail. Still cool though

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i meant our half of the inning

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's that, Montero?

You didn’t know Troncoso also had a change?

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Nats are coming in?

Man, I’m still steamed by that sweep in Augus by the Natst. Totally thought the Dodgers were dead after that.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions  

what pitches does he have in his arsenal?

besides his deadly sinker

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Apparently a changeup.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question

Does every pitch sinks, including sliders, curveballs, etc, or can it be controlled?

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That I don't know

I would think the sink lends itself more to fastballs…unsure of sliders

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think it only applies to fastballs

those other pitches break.

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp is really strong

I didn’t think he got a good cut on that one yet he nearly put it over the fence…

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

matt kemp has ungodly power...

which leads to him overswinging and striking out

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

¿Quién acaba de echar?

AKA
Who was just pitching, I had too many margaritas…

by Big Blue on May 5, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does anything think its odd how Torre is using Ohman?

torre complained on how Beimel was a regular set up man instead of a LOOGY, and Torre’s been using Ohman as… a set up man trying to get multiple outs.

Did Beimel shoot Torre’s dog or something?

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

With Beimel it certainly had to be personal right?

I mean, he signed with Washington for $2MM less than the Dodgers signed Mota

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now after what I put myself through today

The season finale of Biggest Loser!!!!!! I dont think they would agree with the 9 bowls of chips and salsa but, great show….. everyone should watch it….

by Big Blue on May 5, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

NO ONE WATCHES BIGGEST LOSER?!?!?!!?

most inspirational show ever…..
I would never qualify but such and great show….
I started watching it as a house in college…. got my family hooked….
Makes you think of what you could do if you had the means to do it….

by Big Blue on May 5, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

dodgers only have 4 hits, 1 of which was weaver’s

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

there goes our retaliation

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 9:31 PM PDT reply actions  

There's the HBP on Mark Reynolds

Manny is revenged!

Also, Belsario is one dumb pitcher.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:31 PM PDT reply actions  

So far

Wade has pitched every other night since coming back

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hm. Really?

I’m pleased then. Again, I guess that’s the benefits of a 13 man pitching staff

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

More like Torre trying to kill Wade

But then again, Wade has been so on since he came back from the DL, his pitch counts are really low.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

How's this for the teaser on a E:60 piece

Don’t judge Dustin Pedroia by his size or what he says. It’ll just drive Boston’s pint-sized MVP to new heights.

Ugh.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Stupid story

makes me hate Pedroia even more
And they blow off that piece about his brother

by Big Blue on May 5, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

two strikeouts for Belsario

I love our bullpen.

Except when they’re not producing.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Thats my general rule

I love xxxxxxx, except when I am not happy with them

by Big Blue on May 5, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of stupid

Belisario pitched from the windup, allowing The K King to steal 2B without a throw

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Ha, wow I missed that.

I haven’t seen a pitcher do that since I was in little league.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wicked pitch for strike 3

K king to be sure, but it was still a sweet pitch

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 9:39 PM PDT reply actions  

niiiiiice

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

D'backs have to break up their team.

Or fire their coaches, do something. Because its clear that team can’t win like they’re constructed.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s crazy, they had so many highly touted prospects. More than the Dodgers before, but none of them panned out.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that was dumb. I seem to remember some people saying Chris Young was going to be better than Kemp. Heh.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

they got cris carter

who they shipped for dan haren

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by wongy on May 5, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stephen Drew should still be good.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did they cut Quinten? Or trade him to the ChiSox?

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

For who?

At least they kept Conor Jackson! Zing!

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is really no reason for Conor Jackson to be a left fielder...

If Arizona insists on playing Tony Clark at first base.

What is the point of that?

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah yes

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still like Reynolds

Its early but…

Reynolds- 25 years old currently with a 907 OPS
The Beard- 35 years old currently with a 757 OPS

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeeeahhh, Mr. Blake for 3 years was not the smartest move…

As much as I like his beard.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Beard plays better defense.

And being the strikeout king does matter on some level.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

mmmmm Pacifico

I like beer

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

margaritas

La Fiesta Grade if you are in Pasadena-ish area

by Big Blue on May 5, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not, I was at a Cisco’s restaurant for Happy Hour, but now all I have is Pacifico in my fridge. Not my favorite, but light years ahead of Corona.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's been a good game so far

The only thing I don’t like is how Ethier keeps being involved in fly ball miscommunications.

by Brendan Scolari on May 5, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions  

The only fly ball mis communication was most likely Hudson’s fault.

All other fly ball mishaps were just bad jumps by Ethier.

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know this one was mostly Hudson's fault

Though Ethier should have called him off earlier. There was also the ball he and Kemp collided on in SF and quite a few times he has not called off Hudson on balls he could easily have caught (one of them dropped IIRC).

by Brendan Scolari on May 5, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are the D’backs missing Hudson that much?

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions  

And Webb and Dunn and Cruz and Lyon and Drew

And the good forms of Chris Young, Conor Jackson, and Chris Snyder.

by Brendan Scolari on May 5, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

ARIZONA FAIL

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Ethier gave so much away in the field

it’s only poetic that he gets a gift fly ball single too

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions  

God I miss Bradley?
Sike….. I love Ethier

by Big Blue on May 5, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bradley was just so damn entertaining. But he cannot stay healthy so I’d take Ethier everytime.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

DEAR ARIZONA.

Jesus Christ, is Young always this bad at reading the ball off of the bat?

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions  

inside the park?

lol we do go to Philly soon. some weird corners there

by bucknellbruin on May 5, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Poor Pierre

I wonder if he really wants to hit homeruns, but knows he’ll never get to the warning track

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope not

Unless Andre plans on getting 4 more this week.

by Brendan Scolari on May 5, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Loney shows no power

Should the Dodgers look elsewhere for a 1B? Or is the rest of his game make up for it.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I realize that that topic might be opening a can of worms.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Midseason?

Or after the year? Or even later?

by Brendan Scolari on May 5, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know

I didn’t even think about it. But I’d say you have to stick with Loney for all of this year.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Unless you can trade for a great 1st baseman for a cheap price. Otherwise, I’d look into options after the year, but it’d have to be the right move.

by Brendan Scolari on May 5, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next year.

The problem is that the market for first baseman kinda suck.

We’re looking at Lyle Overbay for the best 1st baseman FA here.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I am overly simplistic

but can’t you convert anybody to first base if they hit well enough?

by Michael White on May 5, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Piazza disagrees

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Some team might be willing to part with a 1B for salary reasons.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Save Time

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:52 PM PDT reply actions  

No shit.

That is pretty freaking awesome.

Weaver On Acid: 1/2 oz Jagermeister, 1/2 oz Malibu coconut rum, 1/2 oz pineapple juice

by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He learned to use his guts.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

cah-nucks?

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He learned to be "mean"

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

He got luck to go his way

He’s always been very good to great

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

pffft

Don’t use logic here, you know it’s cause he learned veteran moxie from Mr. Mota.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

Also, Weaver taught him to, you know, relax. :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

He taught him meditation?

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

hee hee

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amazing.

What was the leading % last year?

by Brendan Scolari on May 5, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love this team!!!!

I do not hope to jinx anyone but this team is just so entertaining to watch, so much fun to cheer for, so exciting to see what they do next, GO BLUE!

by Big Blue on May 5, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

BROXTON!

Is freaking awesome

Weaver On Acid: 1/2 oz Jagermeister, 1/2 oz Malibu coconut rum, 1/2 oz pineapple juice

by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

bum bum bum bump

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

SCREW YOU 1911 TIGERS!!!!

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Plus

last time I checked, all the members of the 2009 Dodgers are alive. Win!

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet the 2009 Dodgers would even beat the 1991 Zombie Tigers

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

And by 1991 I mean 1911

Damn you dyslexia!

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'd probably try to shoot Orlando Hudson and Matt Kemp

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet Ty Cobb hates OBP

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ty Cobb loves OBP

He loved it so much that he batted over .400 iin 3 different seasons!

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh!!!

Rob Deer and Pete Incaviglia are trying to eat my brains!!!

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The dodger base runners would have to keep their bats.

And have them sharpened. To fend off the Zombie infielders.

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

woo!!

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Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions

by wongy on May 5, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Dodgers rule

DBacks drool

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by the big grabowski on May 5, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Its the Nats.

Nats are coming to Dodgers stadium for a three game series.

Zimmerman has a 23 hitting streak, the Dodgers have a 12 game home streak. Something has to give.

Nats are coming to Dodgers stadium for a three game series. Zimmerman has a 23 hitting streak, the Dodgers have a 12 game home streak. Something has to give.
OR

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

2 game series

weird schedule this week. Pair of deuces and a 3-gamer.

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kershaw vs. Cabera

That’s going to be interesting.

by Tripon on May 5, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way

A 6-5 homestand (which would make the 20-game stretch 10-10) would be horribly disappointing! :)

by Eric Stephen on May 5, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

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OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
C 18 Treanor $850,000
IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 37 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$112,162,432

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Current 40-man roster count: 40
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No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
27
61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
60 Matt Chico lhp
29
35 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
62 Luis Cruz ss/2b 28
33 Josh Fields 3b 29
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

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