The Manny Ramirez Suspension: Now What Do We Do?
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
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If the career of Manny Ramirez has taught us anything, it's that even though the ride might be bumpy, the destination will usually be worth the journey. With the Dodgers, Manny's production on the field has been nothing short of amazing:
| G | 2B | HR | Runs | RBI | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS+ |
| 80 | 23 | 23 | 58 | 73 | .380/.490/.710 | 211 |
Today, Dodger fans found out the cost of that production, as news of his 50-game suspension broke. No doubt many checked their calendars just to be sure in was in fact May 7 and not April 1.
Here's what we know so far. Per Tim Brown and Steve Henson of Yahoo Sports:
Ramirez tested positive for the substance during spring training, then was administered a second test more recently, and it also was positive. Major League Baseball notified Ramirez of the second positive test after Wednesday night’s Dodgers victory over the Washington Nationals. Ramirez admitted to having taken the substance and declined to appeal. His 50-game suspension begins today.
From Manny's own press release:
Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons. I want to apologize to Mr. McCourt, Mrs. McCourt, Mr. Torre, my teammates, the Dodger organization, and to the Dodger fans. LA is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed. So am I. I’m sorry about this whole situation.
However, ESPN said this substance was consistent with those used by steroid users coming off a cycle:
However, two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is hCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.
As a fan, for lack of a better word, this simply sucks. The issues of steroids and performance enhancing drugs have never really bothered me for some reason, but it still stings when it affects one of your own. I've always liked Manny Ramirez, even before his Dodger days, because of his quirkiness and bizarre behavior. He always seems to have fun on the baseball field, and that's hard not to like. Will today's news change how I feel about Manny Ramirez? I don't know, but I have about eight weeks to figure that out.
If anything, this is probably the best possible time for this news to happen. The Dodgers currently have the best record in baseball, and have a 6 game lead in a weak division. The next 50 games will surely be a tough test, but the club has built itself a nice cushion.
Sure, the Dodgers will have Juan Pierre playing just about every day, but the lineup is still very good. It's just not great now.
Here's a breakdown of the club's schedule during Manny's suspension (28 home games, 22 road games):
| Today | 1 vs. Washington |
| Fri-Sun | 3 vs. San Francisco |
| May 12-14 | 3 @ Philadelphia |
| May 15-17 | 3 @ Florida |
| May 18-20 | 3 vs. NY Mets |
| May 22-24 | 3 vs. Angels |
| May 25-27 | 3 @ Colorado |
| May 28-31 | 4 @ Chicago Cubs |
| June 1-3 | 3 vs. Arizona |
| June 4-7 | 4 vs. Philadelphia |
| June 9-10 | 2 vs. San Diego |
| June 12-14 | 3 @ Texas |
| June 16-18 | 3 vs. Oakland |
| June 19-21 | 3 @ Angels |
| June 23-25 | 3 @ Chicago WS |
| Jne 26-28 | 3 vs. Seattle |
| Jun 29 - Jul 1 | 3 vs. Colorado |
Manny's first game back will be Friday, July 3 at Petco Park in San Diego. If you are interested in attending an informal True Blue LA event at this game, please indicate so in the comments.
Bring on the Xavier Paul Era in Los Angeles!
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Definitely interested.
I have never been bothered too much by the steroid stuff either, but it still hurts from a team standpoint. At least of the 50 games, only three are against the Giants and D-Backs.
by Brendan Scolari on May 7, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Love your caption. At this point all we can do is grin n bear it.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I assumed he did it, just sucks now all our positive energy is gone
Now people won’t be talking about us for the right reasons.
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We can get the energy back if the team steps up in his absence but I’m not to interested in defending him like Giant fans had to do over the last decade.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would expect all the fans who purchased tickets in the Mannywood section to get refunds but I’m not sure how they would go about handling that. Wearing a Mannywood T-Shirt during the rest of this homestand is not something I’d want to do.
I’m not interested at all in going to see him play his first game back. I expect he will get a standing ovation when he takes the field at Dodgers Stadium but what will we be cheering?
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That he is good at baseball
In the end, that is what matters to most.
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that what matters most? We are all adults but Manny has become a hero to 1000’s of kids in LA and now the parents have to explain to them why Manny won’t be at the game or on TV for the next two months. You can tell your kids all you want that athletes shouldn’t be role models or hero’s but they are and we help create them. I’m not going to tear him down but I see little reason to cheer him.
MLB would not have shot themselves in the foot by suspending the greatest story in baseball this year unless they had to.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure they have no choice. But the truth is he cheated, got caught, got suspended. Not much herosim in that storyline.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only did what tons of other players did.
It’s not like he is a unique case. Its pretty hard to root for a team in baseball that hasn’t had lots of steroid users. I’m sure there are quite a few others on the Dodgers right now that we don’t know about.
He made a mistake, that’s for sure. But we all do, and so many people would do the same thing in his situation. How many people haven’t cheated in one way or another to try to get advantages in life?
It’s definitely a bad thing, but it doesn’t change the fact that he is a great baseball player. There’s lots of worse things happening every day than someone taking steroids.
by Brendan Scolari on May 7, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never said he wasn’t a great ballplayer, I just stated I have little interest in going to his 1st game back and giving him a standing ovation for cheating us out of 50 games. Are you guys reading more into what I wrote then what I wrote?
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't trying to.
I’m not really interested in going because of Manny, I just think it’d be fun to make a roadtrip down to Petco and meet fellow Dodger fans. Plus, I still think Manny is awesome, steroids or no.
by Brendan Scolari on May 7, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
July TBLA Road Trip
I live about 5 miles away from The Litter Box here in San Diego, and would love to meet up with you guys for the July 3rd game. I am certain we will still be going to see the 1st place Dodgers at that game – with or without Manny.
2009 LA Kings Hockey: thanks to Joe Sakic's snowblower, WE'RE BETTER THAN THE AV'S!!!!
by DodgerBlueBalls on May 7, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
they most definitely would if it made them seem like they were doing something. After Arod, they have even more pressure on them. And just like any case the bigger the name, the more likely you will get called out. even if the facts don’t fit the circumstances
by WTF22 on May 7, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting our best player back?
At least best position player.
by Brendan Scolari on May 7, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That he is good at baseball
He could have tested positive for steroids and I still don’t give a fuck. Just like I never did about Bonds. I hated Bonds because he was a prick.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and manny's not?
He’s a prick too. Refused to pinch hit? Told the media while he was on the red sox that he wanted to play for the yankees? How will you feel about him when he tells the media that he’d rather play for the Giants?
Let’s be real here, Manny isn’t much different from Bonds. They’re not the nicest, but great ballplayers. Except manny hits for less power, was never a multiple gold glove winner and has about 460 less stolen bases.
If attitude is what you care about, hate manny too. If it’s baseball you care about, hate manny for letting down your team.
by doctorgonzo on May 7, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was he a prick as a Dodgers?
I seem to forget.
Until he is, stop putting words in my mouth.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me remind you
today, when he got suspended for 50 games for cheating. As a fan, that’s the single worst thing a player on your team can do. unless, he shot billingsley in the head on the way out.
by doctorgonzo on May 7, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In your opinion
Again, words in my mouth.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really
One. The substance he got the 50 game suspension for was only just recently added to the banned substance list last year. two. It is a drug that is made to boost fertility in both men and women. three.It does not enhance or help anything except for making sure if you’re a man that you can get it up or if you’re a woman that you have a better chance of getting pregnant. four: the connection to doping is that it helps increase testosterone to help negate the negative effects of steroids which is low sperm count. So basically he got suspended for taking a drug that doesnot enhance and is not a steroid. Het got suspended for taking a drug that recently got added and whose legitimate purpose is to ensure the virility of both men and women. Because it makes a better story, it is easier to believe that rather than suffering from erectile dysfunction he must be trying to cycle down even though he has never tested positive for steroids of any kind. Heaven for bid that we except the possibility that someone in they’re late 30s is suffering ED and would want to use a product that is less publicly known than viagra and cialis. I mean if you’re a public figure, i’m sure you as a man in the public eye would want to be thought of as less than a man because you have difficulties getting it up. grow up. please. i’m not naive, i know people use illegal drugs, but the way that this has been blown out of proportion is ridiculous. When you catch him using HGH or anabolic steroids or any kind of performance enhancing drug then you got a case, but to persecute the man for using an ED drug because Afraud, Consucko, and Clemens the lemon suck and are cheaters is stupid.
by WTF22 on May 7, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I no longer mind the mini sirloin burgers commercial
I’m currently eating free ones — thanks Dodgers! — and they are awesome!
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like their sourdough steak melt
Like eating a delicious heart attack.
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL... Shameless advertising
"Chemistry is a class you take in high school or college, where you figure out two plus two is 10, or something."
- Dennis Rodman
by Shifty1 on May 7, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If This Story Follows the Typical Steroid Trend
Then someone will write a book about it and make assumptions about what Manny “probably” did. Hopefully Manny’s side of the story doesn’t end up like Alex Rodriguez’s and actually holds some merit.
Like I said in the Snakepit, I just hate it. I am definitely not a Manny Ramirez fan nor am I Dodgers fan but this still sucks. I’m so sick of hearing about steroids. The most annoying thing to come from this will be the millions of lame accusations.
Anyway, like I said, I hate it for you guys and for baseball.
Wear your own fur.
by Sprankton on May 7, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the cameo, Sprankton
I appreciate hearing a fan of another team’s perspective on this. Just so long as it isn’t the obvious vitriol of a Red Sux fan or the general douche-baggery of a Gints fan.
2009 LA Kings Hockey: thanks to Joe Sakic's snowblower, WE'RE BETTER THAN THE AV'S!!!!
by DodgerBlueBalls on May 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to the record Streak....
the Dodgers can still go under .500 and Win 86 games. WoW.
"Chemistry is a class you take in high school or college, where you figure out two plus two is 10, or something."
- Dennis Rodman
by Shifty1 on May 7, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
That division lead seems pretty huge right now.
by Brendan Scolari on May 7, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I crunched the numbers this morning
and if you assume that the NL West winner has to win 84 games, the Dodgers could play .398 ball the rest of the season and still finish with 84 wins.
Everyone else in the division would have to play .527 ball or better.
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by bluemax on May 7, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think McCovey Chronicles has blown up.
Just an early warning to everyone that you might not want to go there.
by Brendan Scolari on May 7, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Those pricks are so miserable over there.
It’s sad to see that their primary source of joy comes not from their own success but instead from someone else’s missteps. Assclowns.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on May 7, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have any idea how many dodgers fans I’ve heard talk shit about bonds and steroids? I think a lot of the mccoven’s enjoyment isn’t because manny is a “cheater” or something, but that now other fans have a harder time criticizing the giants and bonds. Most teams have or had a steroid user at some point, so I’m kind of finding it hard to care. It’s just a lot of fans are really hypocritical – they can complain about bonds (or here, manny) using steroids, because they’re so good, but their team has, like, matt herges, who was also caught, but sucks anyway.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on May 7, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true.
As the Mitchell Report made painfully clear to us, there have been some beloved former Dodgers using the juice for quite some time, such as LoDuca and Gagne. However if you take a moment to see Grant’s most recent post at McCovey, about 9 out of 10 commentors there are expressing joy simply because this is happening to a Dodger. Giants’ fans there are quite boastful about taking the low road with today’s developments because it was a Dodger being suspended.
Tom Doucherrey.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on May 7, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like you don’t rag on bonds for being found out? I took the liberty of conducting a little search, and came across a post where you called him “barroids.” Are you going to work a steroid reference into manny’s name now? Of course giants fans are happy, after so long of dodgers fans and other mlb fans targeting bonds and the giants.
Another thing: As a giants fan, I spend a lot of time on mccovey chronicles, and I know there are a LOT of people who couldn’t give a crap about steroids as cheating (I’ll leave the health side of the discussion for another day). It may not come across in the couple posts you read, but it’s true. Maybe there are fans happy about the giants improved division chances, which I think is reasonable – if a player’s suspended, it can have a huge impact on the playoff race. It’s not like manny died – we’re not disrespecting him that way. It’s a very real angle on the issue.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on May 7, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let Me Repost This
All i’m going to say is that it’s weird he would take hCG as a steroid user. Especially if he was dumb enough to get it through prescription.
I don’t get exactly why he wouldn’t use or test positive for nolvadex or clomid instead, hCG is only advantageous if you want to boost testosterone production earlier before you start PCT.
Don’t believe this bullshit that hCG and clomid are the same. They are not.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You sounded like you would come through the monitor and tear out our throats if we did dare.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
I have no interest in defending him.
It’s just that the assumption is already out there and misinformation is already being spread.
I’m wondering why he would think getting a prescription of hCG is fine, but why he wouldn’t use nolva/clomid as his PCT if that were the case.
And why the hell he didn’t test positive for nolva or clomid as well if he were that dumb.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not think any of us have a clue as to what you are talking about
But I believe you.
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's okay
Now is the time for Dodger fans to get drunk. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on May 7, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Thats my thinking
Already meeting my friends at a bar to watch the game at 7 without Manny :-(
or maybe Manny will be at the bar…..
by Big Blue on May 7, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
recommended, big time!
If there was ever a comment that deserved to turn green on TBLA, it was Brendan’s at 4:12pm edt
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by DodgerBlueBalls on May 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just has to do with steroids and why the connection is sorta odd to me
That’s it.
Not saying he’s innocent. It’s most likely he isn’t. But it’s questionable and foolish to jump to that conclusion for now.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What we are going to see is boatload of bodybuilding chemists giving us their expert opinions.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am interested in the Petco event.
I think we should invade Petco.
by bhsportsguy on May 7, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is used to not shrink your testicles when you are on roids, right?
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be one way to put it.
What do we call treating everyone equally when they are clearly not equal? Communism!
by Sordid on May 7, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But if it is not post cycle therapy as a standalone. You generally still take clomid/nolvadex AFTER hCG.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awww ok
I knew a lot of people that roided when I was into lifting for a couple of years. And they would talk about all the stuff they took but in real generalities.
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mannywood joke is going to grate on us like the size of Bond’s head grated on Giant fans.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What should the Dodgers rename "Mannywood"?
What do we call treating everyone equally when they are clearly not equal? Communism!
by Sordid on May 7, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pierre-is
In case that doesn’t read right, its supposed to sound like Paris.
by Michael White on May 7, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let Paul start
Then they could just loop it into the shamless promotions they have with Wolverine
X-Man
by Big Blue on May 7, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stolen from another blog
“What if Xavier Paul becomes a 2 win player? They could call him Win dos XP”
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by bluemax on May 7, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I don't know if I should go to the 66ers game or not tonight
Too much Manny on my mind.
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rolling down the street
….sipping on gin & juice
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was listening to 570
And they had Canseco on….
He said he was prescribed hCG after he tried to get off steroids just to try to start his natural production of testosterone…. If Manny had low testosterone naturally, then he could be prescribed this, but since he has Mannilito, Manny Jr, and Lucas, I doubt that he is lacking in that department.
But if rumors are true that he had done steroids in the past and his body just can’t produce testosterone anymore then he might have just taken too much hCG that triggered the positive tests
My thinking:
He is accepting the penalty because he did f up, take too much hCG, and doesn’t want more investigation done into his past which is, I hate that I am typing this, littered with evidence of steroid use.
Other sidenote: Since the test was taken this year, do you think it had anything to do with his 3 week holdout into ST? I know he hates playing in ST so it isn’t that strong of an argument but if he was trying to cycle off drugs, those three weeks should have been 4…..
by Big Blue on May 7, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If he was trying to cycle off drugs he would have got caught for another drug.
Canseco’s suggestion is a real possiblity as well.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never would have thought
Jose Canseco would be the beacon of truth. What a crazy world
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I am not that well-read on cycling off steroids, so thanks for the correction
The hosts were just talking about how after you cycle off the steroids you could use a hCG to jump start testosterone production, but again, all the journalists think they know about steroids and such, but it is some of the most confusing and complex area of knowledge…. its just cat and mouse game to see who can produce the new miracle drug and how the leagues can test for it.
by Big Blue on May 7, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
hCG basically makes the body think it’s a luteinizing hormone which then cues the testicles to start producing sperm and testosterone again.
Typically though, you don’t use it as your post cycle therapy, or well, it wouldn’t work. Which is why I wonder what this was for, because there are no indications he used clomid or nolvadex recently. Those two are actual PCT drugs, and would/should be used.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
all be damned
Canseco might be right…. What’s next he runs for office?
by Big Blue on May 7, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I wrote about that possibility as well
You could use it if your test production is permanently shut down. Though that would mean he was using way prior to ST 2009.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he was a FA, right after the playoffs…. There are so many professional athletes that can cycle the steroids so they are clean when they get tested….
As an ex college athlete, same situation. I know you can cycle roids, I just don’t know the steps of doing so….. but they are PROFESSIONALS, they have the best people around them giving them advice…. too bad Manny got some bad advice
It would almost be easier if the supreme court would just come out with the list of players who failed the drug tests….
Next on the list: Albert Pujols
by Big Blue on May 7, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no
I mean that if his test production was permanently shut down, then he was using steroids before ST 2009 started. He must have been using them for quite a while.
And yes, you can cycle in the off-season if there is no testing, or you can use during the season if you know what you are doing.
I hope Pujols is clean. I like him.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what?
That means I can’t hope players are clean?
I don’t care in the sense that it makes me like them more or less. If anything the outcry against Bonds has made me sympathize with him more, because I know how much BS there is out there about him.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was at lunch
someone at the place I was eating said the test was from back in March.
So, Maybe?
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by bluemax on May 7, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statement from Jamie McCourt
"We share the disappointment felt by our fans, our players, and every member of our organization. We support the policies of Major League Baseball, and we will welcome Manny back upon his return."
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK Dodgers, you just need to hold the streak until Manny gets back
No pressure or anything.
by Dodger Dude on May 7, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Only 28 more home games
until he returns :)
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statement from Jamie McCourt
“We share the disappointment felt by our fans, our players, and every member of our organization. We support the policies of Major League Baseball, and we will welcome Manny back upon his return.”
and you forgot the last bit,
“and you’ll have to excuse me, I’m going shopping now”.
by Dodger Dude on May 7, 2009 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor Misguided Manny
Eight weeks to figure out how you feel about Manny now? Please. You’ll spend a week being “disappointed”, five weeks justifying what he did, and two weeks counting the days till his return when all will be forgiven because “he served his time.” He will be hailed by one and all as a conquering hero instead of someone who violated very clear, well-spelled-out rules.
by Tommy Rotunda on May 7, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I never villified Bonds over it, so I won't Manny
I would love if players were clean, but I know that is just not the culture.
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having never booed Bonds my consience is clean.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have only booed one player in my life
Alberto Callaspo at a AAA game
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the end people are morally outraged when a cheater is on another team but when he’s on their team they readily forgive them.
"There's only one man you gotta please, and it's the one upstairs," Pierre said. "People even hated God and Jesus. That'll tell you what all the critics do.
by Sordid on May 7, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't really justify what he did
But I think it’s as simple as being mad that he’s missing time when he could be helping the club, but being happy when he returns.
The question for me is will the PED use make me not root for him. I haven’t really cared about Bonds, Clemens, et al in regards to their steroid use, so I need time to see if I feel the same about a player I do care about.
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just think about football
If you hate PED, then how can you watch football?
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because unlike his USC team the Raiders evidently don’t take enough of them.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an absolute tragedy
that the outgoing 2008 class (notice I didn’t say “graduates”) of USC football players went four years without a national title. Just a crying shame.
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
USC was third in the Pac 10
in academic progress. Right behind Stanford and Cal. I think they’re graduating a pretty good number of players.
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by bluemax on May 7, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because Al has them taking roids from the 70s
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha!
Steroids that decrease performance. PDDs
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, 24 hours can just suck. You guys have no idea how cool it was to be in the Dodger suite and how amped all the Dodger employee’s were.
Kensai I’d be shocked if you had met Ned that you would not have been impressed with him even if you disagree with his valuation methods. We had one blogger fly in from Indiana, to bad you couldn’t make the trip. Tony Jackson was there and talked to anyone who was interested in talking to him.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i share your sentiment on what a difference a day makes
last night i was at dodger stadium celebrating the 13th victory and also the lakers win and actually said out loud wow how great is it to be an LA sports fan. I went to bed on cloud 9. then i wake up to 10 texts from different ppl about a 50 game suspension for manny. my worst nightmare
by drewk16 on May 7, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Baseball gods are fickle.
"There's only one man you gotta please, and it's the one upstairs," Pierre said. "People even hated God and Jesus. That'll tell you what all the critics do.
by Sordid on May 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have tickets for july 17th
i believe thatll be the second home game hell be back
but im definitely interested in the Petco game.
ill be real fired up for his return in 2+ months.
itll be cool to gather up some fans and invade petco too.
by drewk16 on May 7, 2009 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was bound to happen
Let’s don’t be fools. Look at the monster numbers guys have been putting up in MLB the past few years. Manny is just a baseball player. He is not pope or a politician. Plus look at his antics in Boston. Yes, I am a fan of his. But I wasn’t surprised. Who’s next Pujols? The good thing is that LA can play .500 ball during the suspension and will probably still be in 1st. Plus, it will give LA that “evil” personality that a team like the Yankees had the past several years. also, Manny will be well rested, hahahaha!
by DodgerAmigo on May 7, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does he have time for another cycle?
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True Blue LA gathering at PETCO on July 3rd
I can only think of one other ballpark more fitting to see Manny make his return at than “The House that Ken Caminiti Built”
2009 LA Kings Hockey: thanks to Joe Sakic's snowblower, WE'RE BETTER THAN THE AV'S!!!!
by DodgerBlueBalls on May 7, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The voters are optmistic
over 2,000 votes and the majority think we will at least play 500 ball.
by meercatjohn on May 7, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted for 21-25 wins
something like 24-26, but I could see 27-23 too
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
14-0 at home tonight
make a statement
PTC Bison 3 HRs :-)
by Big Blue on May 7, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
15-0 tomorrow night
Keeping the Faith!!!
by apriljane on May 7, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it still count?
on this site there have been countless references to “throwing out” bonds’ numbers and records. It was common practice when looking at manny’s numbers. It makes him look that much better. should manny’s past and future numbers get erased like bonds’? i don’t really want to deal with asterisks and whatnot. Or should we wipe everyone’s slate clean? it’s tough. Then we’d be force to admit bonds was the best hitter of his era, if not all time.
ugh
by doctorgonzo on May 7, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't say I have seen countless people say all of Bonds numbers should be thrown out
on this site at least.
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t throw out any numbers. It’s pointless.
by kensai on May 7, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you point out a single one?
with links?
We have a search feature at the top of the site. Feel free. I certainly have never written anything like that, and I don’t think Phil has either.
by Eric Stephen on May 7, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
search bonds
again, search bonds.
those are two from the first page of results when you search bonds on the blog. I’m guessing those aren’t the only ones.
by doctorgonzo on May 7, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn Peavy
he’s complaining that he had to face Manny. More reasons to hate the guy
"Chemistry is a class you take in high school or college, where you figure out two plus two is 10, or something."
- Dennis Rodman
by Shifty1 on May 7, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Peavy was the most abbrassive
Kinda said the Dodgers are a lot worse without him and seemed to think we aren’t that good without him.
by trainwreck84 on May 7, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 cents
Manny is a good hitter due to a good work ethic. Unlike with guys like alex, canseco, and others manny has been consistent in his hitting. He has extremely good mechanics and trains like a beast. Anyone that plays or played or even evaluated his talent can tell you that. He and his agent and reps would have to be idiots to knowingly get a drug prescribed that would set off tests. the drug he tested positive for while used by juicers is not used alone to cycle off steroids and the likely hood that he would test positive just for that one drug and none of the other needed to cycle off as well as the steroids or hgh is highly unlikely. also this end all evil cycling drug that he tested positive for was only added to the banned substance list last year. so for all the reports that it is commonly used, it seems unlikely when it took that long to make it on the banned list. He’s in his late 30s and only getting older and the likely hood of him having ED is more reasonable. i find it more believable than the overblown opinion that he’s cycling and only tested positive for one of the many drugs needed to cycle off effectively and discreetly off of steroids
by WTF22 on May 7, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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