A Rational Look at the Impact of the Manny Ramirez Suspension
By now we've all seen the story about Manny Ramirez's 50 game suspension for a positive drug test. We've seen the reactions, from pathetic to the insane to the overdramatic (The first line of Jon Heyman's story is, "One of the last funny, happy stories in baseball is over". Funny, I get lots of enjoyment and happiness out of baseball, but that's just me.). All of us have felt the urge to slam our fists through our computer monitors. But now that the drama is (hopefully) over, what really is the outcome of this mess? Yes, Manny is suspended for 50 games, but how much does that hurt the Dodgers as a team?
First of all, let's remember that Manny Ramirez is not the only good hitter on the Dodgers. Yes, Manny's .468 wOBA is leading the team, but we've got three other starters whose wOBA is over .390. Orlando Hudson, Andre Ethier, and Matt Kemp have put up .425, .412, and .392 wOBA's respectively, all of which are in the top 25 in the NL. Anyone who says the Dodgers can't hit without Manny doesn't know what he's talking about.
In fact, Manny hasn't been much more valuable than either Hudson or Kemp. According to Fangraphs, Manny has been worth about 1.5 wins above replacement level so far in '09, while Kemp and Hudson have both been worth 1.3 wins. Kemp's value comes from his plus defense in center field, which combined with Manny's poor defense in left, almost makes up for their differences hitting-wise. The O-Dog plays second base so he is not expected to provide nearly the same offensive output that Manny is. There's also Chad Billingsley, who's stellar pitching has been worth 1.2 wins above replacement level already.
So, what will be the impact of Manny's suspension over the course of 50 games? Well, the Dodgers have played 30 games, which is 19% of the season. If you prorate Manny's numbers over the course of the whole season, he'd be worth 7.9 wins above replacement level. Of course it's very doubtful that he keeps this up over the course of the whole season (Only Pujols and Utley were worth that much in '08), but even assuming that he does we've only lost 2.45 wins over 50 games. And this scenario assumes that Juan Pierre will play at replacement level, which he has been above since he bacame a full-time starter (although only slightly last year).
If Manny plays to my own projections (made by combining CHONE, Marcels, and ZiPS preseason projections), the Dodgers would only lose 1.15 wins. That's right, this entire fiasco could boil down to one measly win! But I don't think that's fair either. I think the most accurate approach would be to average the preseason projections and his performance so far in '09, which brings us to 1.8 wins. That is probably the best estimate of the value lost over the 50 games, and it shows how little the suspension really affects the Dodgers. The range of possible outcomes is probably 1-3 extra losses, but no more than that.
And remember that the Dodgers don't have to play great the rest of the season to win the division, thanks to their hot start. If the Dodgers have merely a .500 record the rest of the way (66-66), they will win 87 games. This is not just when Manny's gone, this is if they go .500 for the rest of the season. Just to get to 87 wins, the Giants would have to go 73-62 the rest of the way and the Diamondbacks would have to go 75-58. Those are some pretty good records needed just to catch up if our team is mediocre. If the Dodgers win 93 games (as projected by Jay Jaffe at Baseball Prospectus) the Giants and Diamondbacks would have to go 79-56 and 81-52 respectively, just to match the Dodgers. I'd say we're still the favorites.
One silver lining is the possibility that Manny will not opt-out of his contract after the season anymore because of how much his reputation has been tarnished. In the above linked Ken Rosenthal article Ken writes:
Oh, and so much for Ramirez rushing to opt out of the second year of his two-year, $45 million contract with the Dodgers. His agent, Scott Boras, will want him back on the open market, but there is no chance — none — that another team will match Ramirez's $20 million salary for 2010.
Buster Olney had this to say of Manny's contract situation after the suspension:
There is no way he will walk away, because starting today he is an outfielder who will turn 37 later this month and now is connected with the use of performance-enhancing drugs, and no team with any sanity is going to match the money that Ramirez stands to make in the second year of his deal. If you thought Ramirez was a pariah after the way he dogged his way out of Boston, well, you ain't seen nothing yet.
So 50 games could get the Dodgers an extra year of Manny's services, albeit with a $20 million dollar price tag. I think that's still a pretty good deal when the alternatives include a whole year of Juan Pierre or a rushed Andrew Lambo up in the big leagues. Also note that the Dodgers don't have to pay Manny's salary while he is suspended (approximately $3.1 million saved) which could help bring in a free agent pitcher (Pedro Martinez, Ben Sheets, or Odalis Perez) or help to pay for a veteran brought back in a trade. It's impossible to quantify the value of this extra money until we see what moves are made but the right move could be worth a win easily over the course of the season.
While Manny Ramirez's suspension has many ready to declare the Dodgers in meltdown mode, there is no reason to panic. The Dodgers still have a big lead in the division and have very good odds of remaining there until Manny returns, when he can wreak havoc on the rest of the National League once again.
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Wow, two spam comments out of two total comments. Way to go, TBLA -- big day yesterday.
Yeah, I’m in the 1.5 WAR camp. Manny’s maybe a 6 WAR player these days and Pierre’s still a 1 WAR guy. The 5 WAR difference over 5/16 of the season just isn’t a huge number.
I think many people are confusing losing 50 games with losing the whole season.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
We set our uniques record the day before
with 2,901 visitors. Then yesterday we got 17,524! Crazy, crazy day
Agreed.
If you listen to the talking heads you would get the impression that this is going to effect the Dodgers a lot more than it really is.
by Brendan Scolari on May 8, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm shocked!
shocked that the media sees this so differently than the LA faithful ….
when even a guy on the Dodger payroll like Gary Miller discusses Manny with a tone of disgust now – you know that we turned a corner.
as an SF fan, I don’t think Manny did anything wrong – but welcome to whole the media/cultural prejudice thing – they’re going to start talking about Manny with the same air of superiority and condescending tone that they use when talking about Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, A-Rod
I’ll always hate A-Rod, but not because he took steroids. My only disgust with Manny is that he’s a Dodger. He shouldn’t have been suspended for this bullshit though (as much as I like it). And screw the media for liking it.
I just put down a few more thoughts on the whole thing over at your fanposts, curious as to what you guys think – http://www.truebluela.com/2009/5/7/868797/manny-message-from-a-giants-fan
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
Ya know what ...
that was a nice post. It’s clearly nicer than what the Trojans say about Bruins on their board.
It’s also way, way nicer than how Dodger teams and fans used to be treated at Candlestick. Seriously what was with that place? It just filled everyone with pure hate.
by Seanny Rotten on May 8, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for this Brandon
Outside of Peter Gammons on ESPN radio yesterday, I don’t think I’ve heard a writer or commentator put this in any kind of perspective. The Dodgers still have a lot going on without Manny. The fact that so many really good performances by some really promising young players are going to go largely unnoticed because the Manny story is going to be all we hear about really bothers me.
If this ruins the season for me, it won’t be because of the number of wins that the suspension costs.
Agreed.
That’s why I hope we keep winning, so we don’t have to hear how Manny is the only reason this team is good.
by Brendan Scolari on May 8, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry about the name screw-up
I used to have a student named Brendan that I called “Brandon” for an entire semester.
No worries.
I get that all the time. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on May 8, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, THERE's the rational approach
Excellent (sane) take on the Manny situation. Relieving after a day of hearing the OUTRAGE from out-of-touch columnists like Plaschke et al on ESPN.
question Chris
why would you characterize the Baseball media as being " out-of-touch"?
please be rational …
ESPN and other sports media -
(1) have a clear east-coast bias
(2) a blind, self-righteous sense of outrage against any player who would dare to take steroids
(3) a blind love for certain east coast players – A-Rod (until recently), Derek Jeter, Dustin Pedroia, Bret Favre, etc.)
(4) think that every regular American sports fan cares about the same things they do
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
On one of my Random Manny searches I found
http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/
You can now take the battle to the mothership.
Plaschke said –
"I would love for them to release him at the end of the season, but that would cost them $20 million, and no owner could consider that worth it. The Dodgers can’t trash him, so they must try to recycle him. If Manny stays, Manny sweats. If Manny stays, he must face his various constituents with truthfulness and transparency, answering all questions about steroid use, a four-step program."
Plaschke is a douche.
Oh yeah, and now for the next step, the media (and all the self-righteous douches out there) are now going to demand that Manny get on his knees, call himself an idiot, apologize to all of you, and generally prostrate himself before everyone admitting that he was wrong.
A-Rod did it. It was embarrassing & pathetic. Bond refused to do it. That’s why the media hates him.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
That and He's a Jerk
But really, one of my fondest memories in the Dodger stadium left field pavilion was watching him bobble a ball in left field allowing the winning run to score on fireworks night, so barry has a special place in my heart (the special part that hates).
Your Math Is a Bit off
But yea, this certainly won’t cost us the majority of games. I don’t think the pitching staff has given up so many hits all year though, and I think that’s a clear sign that this got to them. They should calm down when everyone else keeps hitting and producing runs, but realistically, Manny is going to give the team a lot more confidence and his OBP results in more at bats producing more runs over that 50 than you have accounted for, but yeah, its not too many games.
Because No One Understand Calculus
Which is what you need to calculate to understand the effect of increasing the number of at bats for getting on base in a game on run production (which would be way over my head). I don’t think Fangraph accounts for this. The numbers they give are really just ranking values and not really actual wins.
On the plus side...
The Giants dont get to end our streak. yay
"Chemistry is a class you take in high school or college, where you figure out two plus two is 10, or something."
- Dennis Rodman
2009 LA Kings Hockey: thanks to Joe Sakic's snowblower, WE'RE BETTER THAN THE AV'S!!!!
by DodgerBlueBalls on May 8, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Zito's twitter says
he loves pitching where Sandy pitched.
Only problem is Chad B loves it, too. Prepared to get “Billed.”
by silverwidow on May 8, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I approve
of “Billed” as a verb ;)
by Eric Stephen on May 8, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your probably right
I just figured I throw out all the options. I probably should have included Paul Byrd too.
by Brendan Scolari on May 8, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Ned did not seem interested in any external options including Pedro and definitely not Mulder. The only one we did not ask about was Sheets but after his response to Mulder the answer seemed obvious. Once we get Kuroda back he seemed to be happy finding a 5th among Stults, McDonald, Schmidt, and Milton. He just doesn’t want any two of those four so they need Kuroda back.
Troncoso will not be tried in the rotation because they need him to much in the bullpen.
We didn’t get a chance to ask him about Lindblom as an option later in the season. Or Elbert for that matter but it seems obvious that Elbert is not close to ready.
He really enjoyed the question when asked what could be done to keep players from pitching/playing hurt? He had no answer but his smile at the question was genuine and he wished he had an answer. That said he really defended Kuo and it sounds like he really has to make an effort everyday just to get ready.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Man, you really need a whole "insights from Ned" topic to cover what you learned / gleaned from the visit
I saw you have commented about it here and elsewhere. It must have been nice to listen and watch him face-to-face rather than read a reporter’s selected quotes, canned press statements or radio appearances driven by bland and meaningless question. When you get the full experience, I think you gain the greater insight.

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